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Reply 1
in terms of prestige id say Harvard.

if you are at Cam right now, why not try different places.
Reply 2
mynameis
in terms of prestige id say Harvard.

if you are at Cam right now, why not try different places.


I am not at cambride right now. I'am studying in France. I'am simplay assuming I will begin part III next year.

I want to know if it is easier to be admitted as a phd candidate at Cambridge or at harvard or princeton. And which department is the best.
Reply 3
Which school do you think has the best pure math department?
Cambridge, Princeton or harvard.

Which school is the most difficult to get into?

Assume I will be completinp part III of the cambridge tripos next year.

Do you think cambridge will be as recognized in the US as Harvard or Princeton Math?
You should find out from each what they intend to offer you financially (whether you can get a scholarship/have your teaching done for you) and what research is available, and whether it interests you.
Reply 5
wacabac
You should find out from each what they intend to offer you financially (whether you can get a scholarship/have your teaching done for you) and what research is available, and whether it interests you.


i have already done that, and the american universities have a better financial package. However it is tied to teaching, and they have language requirements (russian and german). Besides the admission process is more complex (GRE subject test, great importance of LOR etc.) At Cambridge, the process is simple, if you wanna get into the phd, get a distinction in part III. However the distinction is very hard to get.
For me the cambridge experience would be the best, but I would like to work in the US, and I guess Harvard or Princeton are better recognized there.
A Cambridge degree is universally recognised as being a fantastic degree so you have no worries there. However, the financing will be better in the states (hence a lot of english university graduates are going to america). Plus I think Harvard is ranked as a better university than Cambridge, not sure about Princeton. What are the language requirements all about?
Reply 7
Is there really that much difference in terms of the academics of the 3?
Reply 8
An important factor is the structure of pHd's....
In america they take 6 years, in comparison to 3 in British universities, therefore swapping mid way could add confusion, and also as someone else stated cost!
Reply 9
Well the language requirement is that you have to learn 2 of the following languages (German, French or Russian)

The structure is not that different. In cambride, you do part III and then the dissertation.

In the US, you take the qualifying exam (you can take it the first year) and then the dissertation

The difference is that in cambridge you have more flexibility to choose you course (during part III), whereas in the US you have to study for your qualyfying exam which program is broad.

I know harvard is generally known as a more prestigious university, but I thought the americans weren't that dominant in the hard sciences.

Does anyone know how hard it is to get a phd place in cambride after part III?
kyosuke

Does anyone know how hard it is to get a phd place in cambride after part III?


How long is a piece of string? This is an absurd question - it cannot be answered satisfactorily. Admission to a doctoral program is based on any number of factors personal to you on which general comments cannot be made. These include (but are by no means limited to) your previous educational attainment (obviously this would have to be excellent for Cambs) and, particularly in the case of admission to British universities (since the PhD is research only), the strength of your research proposal and whether anyone in the prospective department is willing to supervise your work. Grow up, please.
Reply 11
Craigy_Boy
How long is a piece of string? This is an absurd question - it cannot be answered satisfactorily. Admission to a doctoral program is based on any number of factors personal to you on which general comments cannot be made. These include (but are by no means limited to) your previous educational attainment (obviously this would have to be excellent for Cambs) and, particularly in the case of admission to British universities (since the PhD is research only), the strength of your research proposal and whether anyone in the prospective department is willing to supervise your work. Grow up, please.


A man after my own heart: fantastic.
Reply 12
Am I the only one worried that someone so vague hopes to do Cam Maths Part 3?
Reply 13
Yeah the question is vague if you say so. But knowing that phd candidates in the math department are recruited from the part III pool, someone who has completed the program could have told me, something like, in pure math we were 100 doing part III, they only admit 10 people or 20 or 30 people to a Phd or something like that. Then I might have had an idea.
Phd places are determined by part III results. Therefore my question wasn't that stupid and that vague
kyosuke
Yeah the question is vague if you say so. But knowing that phd candidates in the math department are recruited from the part III pool, someone who has completed the program could have told me, something like, in pure math we were 100 doing part III, they only admit 10 people or 20 or 30 people to a Phd or something like that. Then I might have had an idea.
Phd places are determined by part III results. Therefore my question wasn't that stupid and that vague


Candidates for the PhD at Cambridge are not only recruited from the Part III pool (though it would most likely help):

"Students from outside Cambridge should note that they are likely to be accepted directly for the Ph.D. degree only when they have been educated to a standard comparable with that of the Certificate of Advanced Study in Mathematics. Applicants who are not so qualified should ask in the first instance for acceptance for the Certificate. Subsequent acceptance for research usually depends on the achievement of a relatively high standard in the Certificate."

http://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/CASM/

In any event, the advice above still applies - admission (whether from the Part III pool or not) is going to depend on you providing a strong research proposal for a doctoral thesis, and a member of faculty being sufficiently interested in your work in order to take you on. Since the PhD is a research degree and not a taught degree, these factors are far more decisive when it comes to your chances of admission than your mere past grades (or for that matter quotas of people admitted), though clearly if you are on the CASM you will need to be at the top of your class (but that's not very helpful advice is it? That's just common sense).
Reply 15
kyosuke
At Cambridge, the process is simple, if you wanna get into the phd, get a distinction in part III. However the distinction is very hard to get.

Sadly, life isn't that simple. Because of the small amount of places available, you'll need to come among the top 3 (ish) in your chosen subject - if it's pure you're going for.

So if you thought a Distinction was your only hurdle, you're quite a bit out! You need a very good distinction. And to my knowledge, around 30-40 people per year get distinctions (from the 180-200). And to top it all off, the people you are competing against will all be among the top performers from their Undergraduate Degrees from all over the world.
Craigy_Boy
Candidates for the PhD at Cambridge are not only recruited from the Part III pool (though it would most likely help):

"Students from outside Cambridge should note that they are likely to be accepted directly for the Ph.D. degree only when they have been educated to a standard comparable with that of the Certificate of Advanced Study in Mathematics. Applicants who are not so qualified should ask in the first instance for acceptance for the Certificate. Subsequent acceptance for research usually depends on the achievement of a relatively high standard in the Certificate."

http://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/CASM/

In any event, the advice above still applies - admission (whether from the Part III pool or not) is going to depend on you providing a strong research proposal for a doctoral thesis, and a member of faculty being sufficiently interested in your work in order to take you on. Since the PhD is a research degree and not a taught degree, these factors are far more decisive when it comes to your chances of admission than your mere past grades (or for that matter quotas of people admitted), though clearly if you are on the CASM you will need to be at the top of your class (but that's not very helpful advice is it? That's just common sense).

Its very rare for someone to come in from another Undergraduate degree and go straight into a PhD (I don't actually know of it ever happening, but I'm not ruling out the possibility). It's 99.9999% certain that they'll ask you to sit Part III. And if you do well enough, they may offer you a place.

:smile:
Reply 16
Wrangler
Its very rare for someone to come in from another Undergraduate degree and go straight into a PhD (I don't actually know of it ever happening, but I'm not ruling out the possibility). It's 99.9999% certain that they'll ask you to sit Part III. And if you do well enough, they may offer you a place. :smile:

Indeed. There aren't many 4th year undergraduate or masters courses which are considered a sufficient substitute for Part III. In fact, I can only think of one course!
Reply 17
Wrangler
Sadly, life isn't that simple. Because of the small amount of places available, you'll need to come among the top 3 (ish) in your chosen subject - if it's pure you're going for.

So if you thought a Distinction was your only hurdle, you're quite a bit out! You need a very good distinction. And to my knowledge, around 30-40 people per year get distinctions (from the 180-200). And to top it all off, the people you are competing against will all be among the top performers from their Undergraduate Degrees from all over the world.


Thanks for the information.

What do you mean by top 3 (ish) in your chosen subject? By subject you mean algebra, analysis, geometry etc. or you mean top 3 in the pure math department?
Reply 18
Top 3 in your chosen subject; as in your chosen area. May that be Algebra, Combinatorics, Number Theory etc.

It will change slightly from area to area. In some places you'll need to come top, in others you could probably get away with 5th (ish).
Reply 19
Wrangler
Top 3 in your chosen subject; as in your chosen area. May that be Algebra, Combinatorics, Number Theory etc.

It will change slightly from area to area. In some places you'll need to come top, in others you could probably get away with 5th (ish).


Thanks
Do you know how competitive is probability theory or financial mathematics?