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... and people who take psychology, sociology, media studies, business studies etc all feel like they are 'less clever' than people doing mainly science-based subjects, which i think is totally wrong because some people doing sciences wouldn't be very good at the so-called 'soft subjects' would they? I take biology which i get told is the 'easy' science but it's not that easy, it's the hardest of my four subjects. I do sociology too and it's not as easy as everyone thinks and is really useful as it opens your eyes up to the world. Is it just me who gets kinda annoyed about the status of certain subjects? -Rant over-
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A level physics, chem, maths or bio, or english or history for that matter, is way way harder than media or sociology and have to be consiudered so.

No it isnt just you who gets angry, i get angry by the fact that people studying for pointless A levels consider themselves of the same calibre as somebody studying a well recognised academic subject. Maybe if a study was done where media students and physics or chem students swaped for a while and see which group did best in the exams? i think you would find the results interesting.
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Sociology is the most popular subject at my school, hearing my friends talk about the stuff they do, I reckon I could go into the exam waffle a load of crap that I learnt at GCSE and still get a pass. Whereas most of them cant even do simple algebra such as a x a = a^2
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My point exactly.
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(Original post by SiAnY)
... and people who take psychology, sociology, media studies, business studies etc all feel like they are 'less clever' than people doing mainly science-based subjects, which i think is totally wrong because some people doing sciences wouldn't be very good at the so-called 'soft subjects' would they? I take biology which i get told is the 'easy' science but it's not that easy, it's the hardest of my four subjects. I do sociology too and it's not as easy as everyone thinks and is really useful as it opens your eyes up to the world. Is it just me who gets kinda annoyed about the status of certain subjects? -Rant over-
I know what you mean. Its annoys me a bit peoples attitudes who tend to look down on people that cannot get A's in everything. Not everybody is capable of getting high grades in elite subjects but even if you get a C in it that person will still have benifeted from studying that subject. In a lot of cases people that can get straight A's are just good at exams.
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the good thing about the sciences and maths is that u dont have to write alot....for writing subjects such as Business Studies where you have time constraints during the exam...it is easier to mess up.....
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I do the sciences and maths and i don't look down on other subject as mentioned at all....(with the exception of maybe general studies cos no unis seem to accept that so i see it as pointless)...

In my opinion....doing these other subjects requires another kind of thinking...one that many people doing the same subjects as me would fail to do well...similarly for the reverse of this.

I would've loved to have psycology at AS cos i think it would've been fascinating!!! Unfortunately my school didn't offer it....hence sciences and maths

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Physics>>>chemistry>>bio>everyth ing else

Personally I feel a bit inferor cuz I take Norwegian, English and History at higher level in IB. But taking physics and maths (and econ) at standard level makes me feel a bit smarter.
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(Original post by Linda)
Physics>>>chemistry>>bio>everyth ing else

Personally I feel a bit inferor cuz I take Norwegian, English and History at higher level in IB. But taking physics and maths (and econ) at standard level makes me feel a bit smarter.
I think those are all just as worthwhile as sciences, it was just thinks like media i object to
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Ok, this is a fact. A-level Maths and Physics have the largest syllabusses out of ANY of the other A-levels. This is one of the reasons they are so respected, because they really are that intellectually demanding.

Consequently, many A-Levels in some of the subjects that have recieved, perhaps unfairly, negative media attention, are not worth the paper they are written on.

When it comes down to it, the student with a Maths A-level will get that University place, or job, instead of the student with the Media Studies or Psychology A-level.
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Years ago, it was quite common to do all the sciences with maths. This was back in the days when subjects hardly overlapped with their content, and also when there no soft options.

Back then the two main A-level routes were the arts route and science route. It was therefore considered quite wise, and still is today, that if you took one science, you took them all.

At Oxford last month I was extremely surprised that none of the other science applicants I met do the three sciences and maths - let alone pure maths.

Also, saying you do three sciences with pure maths always provokes a reaction from people!

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(Original post by hornblower)
Years ago, it was quite common to do all the sciences with maths. This was back in the days when subjects hardly overlapped with their content, and also when there no soft options.

Back then the two main A-level routes were the arts route and science route. It was therefore considered quite wise, and still is today, that if you took one science, you took them all.

At Oxford last month I was extremely surprised that none of the other science applicants I met do the three sciences and maths - let alone pure maths.

Also, saying you do three sciences with pure maths always provokes a reaction from people!

J.
did u apply to oxford....did u get in......if so for what course?
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(Original post by matouwah)
did u apply to oxford....did u get in......if so for what course?
Yes. Yes. Chemistry.

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I do psychology and there's nothing 'easy' about it at all as far as i'm concerned! I do English, History, Geography and Psychology and although I'm not doing any science I don't consider myself to be any less worthy than the people who do. Fair enough, i can't do quadratic equations very well, but then again science students wouldn't be able to access how successful Francis I's administrative centralisation was (one of my exam questions). Sciences and arts involve different tyes of skills.
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(Original post by ~Sam~)
I do psychology and there's nothing 'easy' about it at all as far as i'm concerned! I do English, History, Geography and Psychology and although I'm not doing any science I don't consider myself to be any less worthy than the people who do. Fair enough, i can't do quadratic equations very well, but then again science students wouldn't be able to access how successful Francis I's administrative centralisation was (one of my exam questions). Sciences and arts involve different tyes of skills.
True, true.....but I'd like to think I could have a fair crack at assessing it (if I actually studied history).

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(Original post by hornblower)

At Oxford last month I was extremely surprised that none of the other science applicants I met do the three sciences and maths - let alone pure maths.

J.
That is proabably as quite a few of people who do three sciences and maths would apply for the Natural Sciences course as Cambridge, rather than a single science subject at Oxford.
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That is proabably as quite a few of people who do three sciences and maths would apply for the Natural Sciences course as Cambridge, rather than a single science subject at Oxford.
Well, doing the three sciences and maths does open so many doors, so it would seem logical to continue to do a mix of sciences at undergraduate level.

This approach however, means that those natural scientists must not want to specialise that early - maybe because they can't make up their minds!

Well, as they say - jack of all trades, master of none! Except Cambridge natural scientists. And Durham ones as well...

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(Original post by Linda)
Physics>>>chemistry>>bio>everyth ing else

Personally I feel a bit inferor cuz I take Norwegian, English and History at higher level in IB. But taking physics and maths (and econ) at standard level makes me feel a bit smarter.
I know what you mean...I was taking HL Math for my first year of IB stubbornly refusing to switch to Methods because I thought that would mean I was'nt as smart...it might be true but not everyone can be super smart right?
Your HLs are all pretty tough, dont feel inferior!!
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I know what you mean...I was taking HL Math for my first year of IB stubbornly refusing to switch to Methods because I thought that would mean I was'nt as smart...it might be true but not everyone can be super smart right?
Your HLs are all pretty tough, dont feel inferior!!
at least I'm doing mongo maths (methods) and not mongo-mongo maths (studies) which makes me feel a bit better about myself. If I get a 7 I might actually feel somewhat proud.
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True, true.....but I'd like to think I could have a fair crack at assessing it (if I actually studied history).

Rosie
Yeah and if I studied maths I might be able to do...(*tries desperately hard to think of what you do in maths*)...well, maths stuff! Well, actually I probably wouldn't. I hate the damn subject. I'm just trying to make the point that just because some subjects don't require scientific ability that doesnt make them easy. But i do respect people who do maths because i know i couldnt.
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