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Solving this Differential

There is a differential equation, which I am just not able to solve.

The original problem was that I had an equation, for an object falling in air resistance,

a = g - (kv^2) / m.

where k g and m are constants.

I wanted to get a euqation in terms of v. So I went about turning into a differential.

dv/dt = g - (kv^2) / m

Now then, how does one go about solving that and making v the subject of the whole thing.

Thanks,

Varun
Reply 1
Vazzyb
a = g - (kv^2) / m.

I wanted to get a euqation in terms of v. So I went about turning into a differential.
dv/dt = g - (kv^2) / m


a = g - (kv²) / m
am = g - (kv²)
am - g = - (kv²)
g - am = kv²
√((g - am)/k) = v

E.G I have no idea why you have turned it into a differential. - so might be wrong.
Reply 2
dv/(g - kv^2/m) = dt
Then write g - kv^2/m = (A - v).(B + v) ...
I guess you could do it from now
Reply 3
I don't do Maths (so I appologise if I completely screw this up), but is it not:
v2 = (dv/dt)/g - k/m
Reply 4
:s-smilie: erm how?
Reply 5
a = g - (kv^2) / m.

dv/dt = g - (kv^2) / m


EDITING! Sorry what I wrote before was nonsense.

What level (module) is this?

C4 or FP1/2 ?
BCHL85
dv/(g - kv^2/m) = dt
Then write g - kv^2/m = (A - v).(B + v) ...
I guess you could do it from now


∫dv/(g-kv²/m) = ∫1.dt
t = ∫1/(g+v√(k/m))(g-v√(k/m)) dv

Using partial fractions.
1/(√g+v√(k/m))(√g-v√(k/m)) = A/(√g+v√(k/m)) + B/(√g-v√(k/m))
1 = A(√g-v√(k/m)) + B(√g+v√(k/m))
Let v√(k/m)) = √g
1 = 0 + B(2√g)
B = 1/2√g

Let v√(k/m)) = -√g
1 = A(√g--√g)
A = 1/2√g

t = ∫1/(√g+v√(k/m))(√g-v√(k/m)) dv
=> t = ∫1/2√g[1/(√g+v√(k/m)) + 1/(√g-v√(k/m)]dv
=> t = 1/2√g∫[1/(√g+v√(k/m)) + 1/(√g-v√(k/m)]dv
=> t = 1/2√g[√(m/k)ln(√g+v√(k/m)-√(m/k)ln(√g-v√(k/m)]
Reply 7
Its FP 1 yea. Right, thanks Widowmaker. I got something similar. How does one make v the subject now?
Widowmaker
∫dv/(g-kv²/m) = ∫1.dt
t = ∫1/(g+v√(k/m))(g-v√(k/m)) dv

Using partial fractions.
1/(√g+v√(k/m))(√g-v√(k/m)) = A/(√g+v√(k/m)) + B/(√g-v√(k/m))
1 = A(√g-v√(k/m)) + B(√g+v√(k/m))
Let v√(k/m)) = √g
1 = 0 + B(2√g)
B = 1/2√g

Let v√(k/m)) = -√g
1 = A(√g--√g)
A = 1/2√g

t = ∫1/(√g+v√(k/m))(√g-v√(k/m)) dv
=> t = ∫1/2√g[1/(√g+v√(k/m)) + 1/(√g-v√(k/m)]dv
=> t = 1/2√g∫[1/(√g+v√(k/m)) + 1/(√g-v√(k/m)]dv
=> t = 1/2√g[√(m/k)ln(√g+v√(k/m)-√(m/k)ln(√g-v√(k/m)]

Making v the subject
2t√g = [√(m/k)ln(√g+v√(k/m)-√(m/k)ln(√g-v√(k/m)]
2t√g = √(m/k)ln(√g+v√(k/m)/(√g-v√(k/m))
2t√g.√(k/m) = ln(√g+v√(k/m)/(√g-v√(k/m))
2t√(kg/m) = ln(√g+v√(k/m)/(√g-v√(k/m))
e2t√(kg/m) = (√g+v√(k/m)/(√g-v√(k/m))

Let u = √(k/m) to make simplifying and typing easier.
e2t√(gu) = (√g+vu)/(√g-vu)
e2t√(gu) = g - v²u²
v²u² = g-e2t√(gu)
= (g-e2t√(gu))/u²
v = √(g-e2t√(gu))/u

No putting u = √(k/m) back into equation.
v = √(g-e2t√(gk/m))/√(k/m)
v = √(g-e2t√(gk/m)) x √(m/k)
v = √(m/k(g-e2t√(gk/m))
Reply 9
Vazzyb
Its FP 1 yea. Right, thanks Widowmaker. I got something similar. How does one make v the subject now?


It isn't in Edexcel FP1. I am fairly sure.
Reply 10
Yea, I think that this maybe a bit beyond that level. Thanks very much widowmaker. Btw, have you got your offer from Cambridge? ( not clear in your sig )
Vazzyb
Yea, I think that this maybe a bit beyond that level. Thanks very much widowmaker. Btw, have you got your offer from Cambridge? ( not clear in your sig )

Nah, they make offers after interviews which are held in december.
Reply 12
Yea I thought so lol. ok cheers.
Reply 13
Widowmaker

=> t = 1/2√g∫[1/(√g+v√(k/m)) + 1/(√g-v√(k/m)]dv
=> t = 1/2√g[√(m/k)ln(√g+v√(k/m)-√(m/k)ln(√g-v√(k/m)]


Sorry, but could you please explain this step to me. Thanks.
Reply 14
He has integrated.

y = 1/(ax + b)
∫ydx = (1/a)ln(ax + b)

In this case: a = √(m/k)
=> t = 1/2√g∫[1/(√g+v√(k/m)) + 1/(√g-v√(k/m)]dv
=> t = 1/2√g[√(m/k)ln(√g+v√(k/m)-√(m/k)ln(√g-v√(k/m)]

Integral of 1/(av+b) with respect to v is (1/a)ln|av+b|

So, integral of 1/(√g+v√(k/m))
= [1/√(k/m)]ln|√g+v√(k/m)|
= √(m/k)ln|√g+v√(k/m)|

So, integral of 1/(√g-v√(k/m))
= [1/-√(k/m)]ln|√g-v√(k/m)|
= -√(m/k)ln|√g-v√(k/m)|
Reply 16
ahh yes, how stupid of me. Thanks very much, again :smile:.
Reply 17
Just for all your wonderful help, I can tell you all a quick story.

One person in my AS Further Maths set thought that integration was:

"Canceling the Ds and carrying the x."

so dy/dx = 2x, and y = 2x^2 :wink:

Well, I found it quite funny. I quietly chuckled and nodded. lol. It seems that from the outset there is a huge range even in further maths.

Varun