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Manchester Vs London
Manchester "Britains second city"...
...London, well "Britains first city" I suppose.
I love both cities implicitly; but, which one do you prefer based on anything.
Manchester; worlds first industrialised city, Europes first tramways, industrial powerhouse of the north, etc etc.
London; world class accomodation, world class city, once biggest city in the world, heart of the empire, far more "royal" and "British" (with regard to tourism, history and culture, including vast multicultural venues).
Please don't time waste and post with "what about liverpool" or "what about Bolton" - make your own thread.
Manchester pride is probably higher, at the moment, than the capitals' pride.
London however, holds national value and standard - i dunno, anyway, the floor's your's. All views.
...London, well "Britains first city" I suppose.
I love both cities implicitly; but, which one do you prefer based on anything.
Manchester; worlds first industrialised city, Europes first tramways, industrial powerhouse of the north, etc etc.
London; world class accomodation, world class city, once biggest city in the world, heart of the empire, far more "royal" and "British" (with regard to tourism, history and culture, including vast multicultural venues).
Please don't time waste and post with "what about liverpool" or "what about Bolton" - make your own thread.
Manchester pride is probably higher, at the moment, than the capitals' pride.
London however, holds national value and standard - i dunno, anyway, the floor's your's. All views.
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I know you've kindof asked people not to do this, but I'm a rebel so...
Why Manchester? Seriously. Since when has Manchester been 'Britain's second city'? Birmingham is generally regarded has Britain's second city. Why are we contrasting specifically Manchester against London? I'm really at a loss as to the point...
Why Manchester? Seriously. Since when has Manchester been 'Britain's second city'? Birmingham is generally regarded has Britain's second city. Why are we contrasting specifically Manchester against London? I'm really at a loss as to the point...
Unfortunately, Birmingham gave way to Manchester around 1997 after the IRA bomb destroyed Manchester central and London-only based firms etc invested heavily in "New Manchester"...Besides, Its pragmatic - Birmingham is refered to as Britains second city by size only - It has a larger population, mainly from ethnic origins, due to inward migration and resettlement - Manchester second city? Refers to the cultural value and econimic growth. Commercially, Manchester is the second richest city, only after London.
London, and then Birmingham. I don't see how Birmingham's relatively high ethnic minorty population has anything to do with it.
My university is less than five minutes walk away from six different tube stations. It is also accessible by over 20 bus routes. Which other city can offer that?
My university is less than five minutes walk away from six different tube stations. It is also accessible by over 20 bus routes. Which other city can offer that?
I don't see how Birmingham's relatively high ethnic minorty population has anything to do with it
Firstly, I am sorry if I offended you, but I was refering to Birminghams population structure.
My university is less than five minutes walk away from six different tube stations
All 3 Universities in Manchester are within 1 mile from each other.
It is also accessible by over 20 bus routes
Manchester's Oxford road (I think its ox rd) has the busiest bus route in Europe.
I can understand the need to bring Birmingham into the thread but please, make your own thread.
Sorry edit: I was wrong regarding the population - Manchester is now Britains second city regarding population: "Manchester is now Britain's second largest city, with nearly 3 million people living within the central boundaries and over 7 million in Manchester's surrounding areas. ". Source: http://www.ccm.ac.uk/ccm_gateway.asp?NavID=77
All 3 Universities in Manchester are within 1 mile from each other.
What has that got to do with my point? My university is less than a mile away from at least another 5 other colleges of the UoL, and just over a mile away from 4 other universities.
oh btw - I'm not offended. It was a geniune inquiry.
I'm biased, having been born in Manchester, although I haven't lived all of my life there. It's really about what you want.
Personally I dislike London and love Manchester. There's all the advantages of a major city, with the Peak District and the Lakes so close. There's maginificent buildings, more theatre seats per head of the population than anywhere in the UK (and yes that does include London). It's also the third most visited location in the country for foreign visitors - considering the International reputation of London and Edinburgh I'd say that's a considerable achievement. There's been recent massive investment in the city. The city has now reversed the decline and its population is growing to the extent that the council are seriously looking at opening new schools in the city centre to serve the burgeoning population.
I don't think it's about saying any city, or location, is 'better' than anywhere else. It's just what suits me. Personally I dislike London and love Manchester. I'm sure there are others who will feel the opposite.
But then, I'm an incredibly proud Manc!
Personally I dislike London and love Manchester. There's all the advantages of a major city, with the Peak District and the Lakes so close. There's maginificent buildings, more theatre seats per head of the population than anywhere in the UK (and yes that does include London). It's also the third most visited location in the country for foreign visitors - considering the International reputation of London and Edinburgh I'd say that's a considerable achievement. There's been recent massive investment in the city. The city has now reversed the decline and its population is growing to the extent that the council are seriously looking at opening new schools in the city centre to serve the burgeoning population.
I don't think it's about saying any city, or location, is 'better' than anywhere else. It's just what suits me. Personally I dislike London and love Manchester. I'm sure there are others who will feel the opposite.
But then, I'm an incredibly proud Manc!
Having been to all cities I will gladly claim to anybody that Manchester is the UK's second city. It has far more culture than Birmingham and the city centre is bigger in terms of tourism and commerce. Manchester is now the 3rd most visited city int he UK after Edinburgh and London.
Another thing I have noticed about Birmingham is the buildings are all older and the buses and taxis are much older, it may seem like nothing but its a good example of investment, Manchester for example has loads of brand new buses. Manchester's Beetham tower is also a lot taller than the one in Birmingham, and there is going to be a new skycraper in Piccidilly even taller than that.
Anyway comparing Manchester to London is difficult, both cities have their own merits but I think Manchester's compactness is a major advantage as 600 bars/clubs are all within easy walk from each other.
Manchester's population is the same as Birminghams when you consider Manchester as Greater Manchester. You don't go through Trafford and think I am not in Manchester etc.
In Birmingham's favour it does have some decent shops
and the central location of the city must be quite handy.
For me though Manchester v London I will have to with Manchester. Just look at the music, the TV programmes, the sports etc.
The fact a lot of banks of their HQs here and companies like Google, BBC are all moving major parts of their business here says somthing.
Edit Astor Cheshire is a very rich county but would you say its richer than Surrey? I doubt it. Its certainly the richest place up north though.
Another thing I have noticed about Birmingham is the buildings are all older and the buses and taxis are much older, it may seem like nothing but its a good example of investment, Manchester for example has loads of brand new buses. Manchester's Beetham tower is also a lot taller than the one in Birmingham, and there is going to be a new skycraper in Piccidilly even taller than that.
Anyway comparing Manchester to London is difficult, both cities have their own merits but I think Manchester's compactness is a major advantage as 600 bars/clubs are all within easy walk from each other.
Manchester's population is the same as Birminghams when you consider Manchester as Greater Manchester. You don't go through Trafford and think I am not in Manchester etc.
In Birmingham's favour it does have some decent shops
and the central location of the city must be quite handy.For me though Manchester v London I will have to with Manchester. Just look at the music, the TV programmes, the sports etc.
The fact a lot of banks of their HQs here and companies like Google, BBC are all moving major parts of their business here says somthing.
Edit Astor Cheshire is a very rich county but would you say its richer than Surrey? I doubt it. Its certainly the richest place up north though.
Yep but they could have choosen Birmingham, Liverpool etc.
You only see the amount of cranes all over the centre to get the feel of excitement of building a new super city, and that is the feeling in Manchester right now as the skyline is starting to look like Chicargo.
Also there are many parts of Manchester where you can 3 bed houses houses for £400-£500,000 (parts of Chorlton and Didsbury for example). Although on the other side you can buy houses for £50,000.
You only see the amount of cranes all over the centre to get the feel of excitement of building a new super city, and that is the feeling in Manchester right now as the skyline is starting to look like Chicargo.
Also there are many parts of Manchester where you can 3 bed houses houses for £400-£500,000 (parts of Chorlton and Didsbury for example). Although on the other side you can buy houses for £50,000.
Astor
Yes I would - Chesire is the wealthiest county in Great Britan, Not England, UK. Per Capita.
Per capita it might well be, with all them United footballers living there, I know Cheadle (Stockport, Greater Manchester) but is actualy within the Manchester urban area is in the top ten of the UK's richest post codes. Not sure about Didsbury, Chorlton has the highest amount of graduates in the UK per capita but is hardly surprising since its 2.5 miles from Manc uni, 3 from MMU and 4 from Salford.
Points in favour of Manchester:
- It's all compact and so has a more intense buzz when you're in it
- It's way cheaper than London. After a few months down South you forget that jeans can cost less than £100 and juice can cost less than £3
- It just seems alot less dirty than London for the most part, Manchester seems that bit shinier and not ruined
- A student city that London isn't, just the sheer number of students on the Oxford Road area is quite a weird phenomona that London won't get.
London -
- Sheer size, Manchester is miniscule compared to London
- Happier, everybody's happier down South, no really they are. Everybody up north/in the midlands is just a bit mentally ill
- More international opportunities
- Less rain, it's not normal for it to rain everyday, Manchester
- The City, if you want a job where it's at then you have to move to London
- It's all compact and so has a more intense buzz when you're in it
- It's way cheaper than London. After a few months down South you forget that jeans can cost less than £100 and juice can cost less than £3
- It just seems alot less dirty than London for the most part, Manchester seems that bit shinier and not ruined
- A student city that London isn't, just the sheer number of students on the Oxford Road area is quite a weird phenomona that London won't get.
London -
- Sheer size, Manchester is miniscule compared to London
- Happier, everybody's happier down South, no really they are. Everybody up north/in the midlands is just a bit mentally ill
- More international opportunities
- Less rain, it's not normal for it to rain everyday, Manchester
- The City, if you want a job where it's at then you have to move to London
homoterror
- It just seems alot less dirty than London for the most part, Manchester seems that bit shinier and not ruined
- A student city that London isn't, just the sheer number of students on the Oxford Road area is quite a weird phenomona that London won't get.
- It just seems alot less dirty than London for the most part, Manchester seems that bit shinier and not ruined
- A student city that London isn't, just the sheer number of students on the Oxford Road area is quite a weird phenomona that London won't get.
Depends which bits of London you're talking about. If you go to Kilburn, yes, it is horribly dirty. If you're around a Corporation area though, they keep things spotless.
And lots of bits of London are studenty, there's just so much of London it's impossible to take over the whole thing.
Ferret_messiah
Depends which bits of London you're talking about. If you go to Kilburn, yes, it is horribly dirty. If you're around a Corporation area though, they keep things spotless.
And lots of bits of London are studenty, there's just so much of London it's impossible to take over the whole thing.
And lots of bits of London are studenty, there's just so much of London it's impossible to take over the whole thing.
But I think even if in the snazziest areas there's still just a film of filth that you get from being a working city for several centuries. Even if the buildings are spotless glass, there's still dirty tube trains, and dirt being carried from other places. It's hard to explain, but things just to tend to look cleaner in Manchester.
With regards to students, well exactly, London doesn't have three/four universities on one very busy road. So it can't get the same atmosphere going.
Manchester may be larger these days but it is nowhere near either Edinburgh or Glasgow in terms of history or contemporary international standing.
As to London vs Manchester the comparison is ludicrous. You just cannot compare two cities of such hugely different stature.
As to London vs Manchester the comparison is ludicrous. You just cannot compare two cities of such hugely different stature.
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