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Why is Incest illegal in the UK?

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Reply 80

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by davie18
Well for anyone who says it should be illegal for the reason that their children will have a higher chance of getting certain disabilities, would you then also say it should be illegal for people with serious inheritable diseases to have kids?

If not, then why are they any different?


i would actually argue that people with serious inheritable diseases should be advised not to have kids but not make it illegal.

Reply 81

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by DJ_Black
Using that logic, nuclear warfare, genetic modification and petrochemical products are all natural.

No. Anything produced by humans is described as artificial.

You should really learnt the definitions of words before lecturing people.


So humans are unnatural? How exactly do you define "nature".

I'd argue humans deciding to develop nuclear weapons and use them against each other is natural, yes.

I'd argue that humans wanting to genetically modify themselves and improve themselves is natural, yes.

Reply 82

Original post
by Planar
It's just one of those relics, like the fact that the PM is not allowed to be a Catholic.


well thats completely wrong, because Tony Blair was a catholic!

Reply 83

Original post
by DJ_Black
LOL @ you thinking your rational. The person you quoted explicitly mentions not causing harm to other people.

The kids that the parents produced, have an astronomically higher chance of having a genetic disease/disability. That is harm to other peolple.

You sir, are an idiot.


So if no kids are produced, then there is nothing wrong?
Brother and sister using a condom? Brother and infertile sister?

Brother having rough anal sex and oral with his younger brother is okay aswell then?
If you disagree then you cannot believe it is wrong for the reason you suggest...

Reply 84

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by Joinedup
however practically incest is strongly associated with
family members sexually abusing their younger siblings and or offspring


I've heard of this before but why is this? Why does sexual abuse from family members lead to incest?

Reply 85

1) Define natural

2) Basing philosophy on your perception of 'natural' is just ******ed.

Reply 86

Homosexuality is not natural BECAUSE it occurs in other species, but natural because it occurs in OUR species.

Try and use logic in your arguments please. I could easily say homosexuals are "mentally ill" but that would just be ignorant.
Mental illness is a very very subjective term.

and :lol: at suggesting we have the ability to override our natural instincts. People still have the urge for sex, and do it. People still rape, bully and kill. All out of instinct.

The truth is humans are not very rational, our emotions and instincts come first and rationality takes a back seat.
There is more difference between the average human and Plato and Nietzsche than the average human and the average chimpanzee.

Reply 87

Prediction: Some human rights lawyers will build private swimming pools and buy porsches at the tax-payers expense on the back of this fiasco.

Reply 88

Original post
by Planar
It's just one of those relics, like the fact that the PM is not allowed to be a Catholic.


Tony Blair is an extremely devout Catholic.

Reply 89

Liberals actually.

Reply 90

Original post
by Lewroll
You know what, maybe I am narrow minded, because this is something I would never accept.

The question: How would you feel if your brother and sister told you they had been having sex?
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I'd probably be a bit shocked, once I got used to it I'd advise them to keep it to themselves before a mob turns up at the front door with pitchforks and burning torches and lynches them.

Original post
by SAK.A
Would you have sex with your brother/sister,mother/father if you "loved" them.


I do love my family, but not sexually. If I was sexually attracted to them then the answer is pretty obvious.

Reply 91

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by j.alexanderh
Well, this is an unusual angle on human relationships.


Please explain your post (as I will explain mine), I sense sarcasm and I want to know the reason for it.

I meant that with relatives, you completely trust each other and feel comfortable around each other. However, it is wrong to get into a relationship with a relative even if you do feel this way because they are a relative. I was also trying to suggest that you should aim to find similar trust and comfortable-ness with someone who isn't a relative. I made the joke that it is more fun this way (by that, I meant meeting a non-relative and developing feelings for them) and that it is boring to settle for someone you have always known (by that, I meant a relative).

It wasn't a fully serious post (and the joke wasn't even partly funny, I assume).

Reply 92

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by Stefan1991
Meet Patrick and Susan. A young couple, and in love, with four children. However their life was torn apart when the state and society deemed their relationship "unnatural" and "immoral", and imprisoned them both. This was because they just happened to be brother and sister.

Patrick and Susan were jailed repeatedly for one crime, loving each other. Since then their children have been forced into care, and the lovers were separated from them and each other for many years.

How can anyone argue this is moral? Who has the right to say that a consensual relationship is wrong?

Discuss.



Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6424937.stm


can i ask do you think it should be legalised

Reply 93

Original post
by Stefan1991
I'd probably be a bit shocked, once I got used to it I'd advise them to keep it to themselves before a mob turns up at the front door with pitchforks and burning torches and lynches them.



I do love my family, but not sexually. If I was sexually attracted to them then the answer is pretty obvious.


:facepalm: Humans shouldnt be allowed to roam free and do whatever the hell they want. If incest ever became legal then you can bet that the majority of people will be very angry. Any sick individual that engages in incestuous relationships needs some serious mental help.

Reply 94

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by Sithius
Testimony? What? If I was screwing my sister there would be no family relationship. It would be more of a girlfriend relationship, which is different. And no testimony says 'I feel so close to my brother like he is family!' Just the opposite, they feel sexually close. That's because it's impossible for the two to coexist.

And Freud's theories are not fact. Regardless, some form of repressed sexual tendencies are just that, repressed. They do not actively prevent the formation of a family bond.




How do you know that it is possible that the two can't possibly co-exist if you have never experienced it yourself? I think that is probably beyond your understanding.

And sexual tendencies do not prevent the formation of a family bond, that is the point.

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by Sithius

But on reading your other posts you are clearly trolling. Just go wack off to your mother already.


First course of action when someone realises they cannot win an argument rationally, call the OP a troll.

I guess since I argue in favour of incest and homosexuality that I definitely must be an incestuous homosexual. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Reply 95

Btw - it's not like homosexuality:

Homosexuals only want to have sex with people the same sex as they are. if homosexuality is outlawed you're telling them not to have any sex whatsoever or else.

If incest is outlawed you're saying there's still 30 million people you can legally have sex with, just not the very small number in your immediate family - so go take a few of the 30 million out on a date and see if you get lucky.

Reply 96

@ All the idiots jumping on the "Disabled peoples shouldnt have sex" bandwagon.......

Having sex with bros or sisters can be avoided, they can still have sex with someone else

Disabled people DONT HAVE A CHOICE, its not fair on the kids for people to commit incest for their personal gain, thats why :facepalm:
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Reply 97

Original post
by Formica
For all the plausible arguments about genetic disease we're hearing, we're also hearing a lot of arguments against this that were commonly used against homosexuality (and still are). "It's unnatural!", "It's just wrong!", "It's never found in nature!"


This.

Our subjective feelings towards something cannot be used (validly) to declare something as wrong and not allowed. This also applies to consensus.

Reply 98

This is insane, how can so many people advocate incest?

It's scientifically proven to accelerate the potential for genetic disease in newborn children. It's also wrong on a social level, for all the pro-incest posters, would you **** your own sister? Because that's the impression I get from reading this thread. Incest is wrong, there are laws against it for a good reason.

Society needs rules, without them there would be no society. Incest is wrong and directly harms humans as a race, some uncontrollable desire to **** your own sister isn't even close to a good reason to repeal the laws banning it. Why would you even want too? I don't get the thinking behind some posters on here, there IS a hell of a lot of things wrong with screwing your blood relations.

Some people on here just like being controversial/trolls. That's the only possible reason I can think of the number of pro-incest replies.

Reply 99

Original post
by Lewroll
:facepalm: Humans shouldnt be allowed to roam free and do whatever the hell they want. If incest ever became legal then you can bet that the majority of people will be very angry. Any sick individual that engages in incestuous relationships needs some serious mental help.


THANK YOU :rolleyes: At last.

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