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Hi if you are against the top up fees, you can send a direct fax to your local MP by going to www.faxyourmp.com and try to appeal to their emotional side (if they've got one)
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Hi if you are against the top up fees, you can send a direct fax to your local MP by going to www.faxyourmp.com and try to appeal to their emotional side (if they've got one)
Top-up fees are good. Too many young people are going to university to study stupid subjects that they're never going to use. More emphasis should be placed on vocational subjects like Medicine or Law.
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I'm for top up fees. However since know one has to pay them back until after they have graduated, the poorer shouldn't get money off as if their parents aren't paying, then it has nothing to do with their parents income. Instead an EMA allowance should be given to the poorest and everyone should pay equal.
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The only thing I have to say right now on top up fees is:
According to the BMA middle class Medical students face a debt of £64000! and even poorer students outside London face £38000!
FAIR?????? I dont think so!
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The only thing I have to say right now on top up fees is:
According to the BMA middle class Medical students face a debt of £64000! and even poorer students outside London face £38000!
FAIR?????? I dont think so!
You agree they should pay the same? I do.
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You agree they should pay the same? I do.
If we were in a society where it is possible for nothing what so ever to be paid up front then perhaps that might work! I was must making the point that no student should be forced to graduate with that much debt!
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If we were in a society where it is possible for nothing what so ever to be paid up front then perhaps that might work! I was must making the point that no student should be forced to graduate with that much debt!
It is a lot and espescially for the middle class student who starts out at the same place as the poor student. I can see they provide a service but I can also see they probably will earn a lot more than most graduates - but then probably work damn harder too.
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Top-up fees are good. Too many young people are going to university to study stupid subjects that they're never going to use. More emphasis should be placed on vocational subjects like Medicine or Law.

That of course would be due to the vast shortage of Lawyers and students of that particular discipline.
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That of course would be due to the vast shortage of Lawyers and students of that particular discipline.
Well, yes. The government is putting the emphasis on quantity, not quality, ie. send as many people as possible to university, and spread the cost across the board. The majority of these people don't need to go to university - what good is a Philosophy degree to an office worker? The emphasis should be on vocations (like Law, Medicine, teaching, etc.), so that people can be educated in these professions without cost, as opposed to having to pay huge amounts of cash, just so that the government can say that 50% of the population is needlessly educated.
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Well, yes. The government is putting the emphasis on quantity, not quality, ie. send as many people as possible to university, and spread the cost across the board. The majority of these people don't need to go to university - what good is a Philosophy degree to an office worker? The emphasis should be on vocations (like Law, Medicine, teaching, etc.), so that people can be educated in these professions without cost, as opposed to having to pay huge amounts of cash, just so that the government can say that 50% of the population is needlessly educated.
A opinion worthy of a medal!
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A opinion worthy of a medal!
Of course. Just saying what needs to be said.
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Personally, I have nothing against top-up fees in principle, but I think the current proposals has several flaws. Firstly, the income set for repayments is far too low (£15 000) - to say that someone has benefitted from their university education I would suggest a trigger level of about £25 000. Secondly, I agree completely with happysunshine that it doesn't make any sense for those from low income families to pay less - we are all equal again on graduation.
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Secondly, I agree completely with happysunshine that it doesn't make any sense for those from low income families to pay less - we are all equal again on graduation.

It shouldn't be to do with parental income when the parents don't pay any of the loan. Although I have recognised, it is unfair that some students have to suffer throughout their education as they have to get a job to support them, which middle class students usually do not.
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Well, yes. The government is putting the emphasis on quantity, not quality, ie. send as many people as possible to university, and spread the cost across the board. The majority of these people don't need to go to university - what good is a Philosophy degree to an office worker? The emphasis should be on vocations (like Law, Medicine, teaching, etc.), so that people can be educated in these professions without cost, as opposed to having to pay huge amounts of cash, just so that the government can say that 50% of the population is needlessly educated.
your essentially claiming all arts degrees to be useless? How is that possible? All the skills learnt through art/humanties degrees (Philosophy, english, History etc etc) are highly sought after by employers.
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(Original post by happysunshine)

It shouldn't be to do with parental income when the parents don't pay any of the loan. Although I have recognised, it is unfair that some students have to suffer throughout their education as they have to get a job to support them, which middle class students usually do not.
Everyone (nearly) will be getting a job during university, I would think as the debt will be increased, myself for example will be trying to save some money during uni.
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your essentially claiming all arts degrees to be useless? How is that possible? All the skills learnt through art/humanties degrees (Philosophy, english, History etc etc) are highly sought after by employers.
But are they nessecary?
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A opinion worthy of a medal!
As J.S already pointed out there is already an excess of lawyers/law students so it's a rather strange opinion.
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But are they nessecary?
Define 'nessecary'.
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The only thing I have to say right now on top up fees is:
According to the BMA middle class Medical students face a debt of £64000! and even poorer students outside London face £38000!
FAIR?????? I dont think so!
oh dear.
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But are they nessecary?
Yes they are, thats why employers like them and universitys teach them and thousands upon thousands of students study them.
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