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(Original post by hattori)
Stupid racist.

Bloody foreigner, eh?

Well I was born in this country and Im still considered a foreigner no matter what origin my company is. So who has it worse, me or you?

I've heard other people on UKL say you're a bit of prat and now I think they have pretty good point. Weren't you accepted into Cambridge? Damn, they've let their standards slip.
In no way was my comment racist.
I hate it when someone disagrees with a comment then goes on to assume that the person is therefore 'thick'.
I bloody got into Cambridge because i'm that good and i deserve it, you didn't because yu're too much of a looser and you can't find good ways of expressing your opinions. Cambridge have in no way let their standards slip, ok there may be the odd one or two loosers like yourself but you'll probably find that deep down most of them will hold views like my own. Most will be from higher social classes and in my school, which is private comments like that are the norm, so you can sod off!
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Why is it that as soon as someone says something perfectly reasonable about ethnic minorities (or in the case of UCL majorities) they are shouted down as being racist.
Treating somebody differently based upon race alone is racism. Doesn't matter if it's positive racism or negative - it's treating people differently.
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(Original post by dazmanultra)
Treating somebody differently based upon race alone is racism. Doesn't matter if it's positive racism or negative - it's treating people differently.
Don't you think that's just being picky?
What is said WAS NOT, racism?
'Asian' is not a racist term, it is an adjective, a describing word, hence that was exactly what I was doing, describing them.
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Don't you think that's just being picky?
What is said WAS NOT, racism?
'Asian' is not a racist term, it is an adjective, a describing word, hence that was exactly what I was doing, describing them.
One wonders why you said the ratio of Asians to 'whites' is 15:1 at UCL when it well isn't.
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(Original post by kildare)
One wonders why you said the ratio of Asians to 'whites' is 15:1 at UCL when it well isn't.
Well what would you honestly say it is?
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Well what would you honestly say it is?
I'm not sure. I'm sure Pencil Queen knows though
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Don't you think that's just being picky?
What is said WAS NOT, racism?
'Asian' is not a racist term, it is an adjective, a describing word, hence that was exactly what I was doing, describing them.
Whats the point in getting annoyed with someone you dont even know! However, I do agree that a lot of people on this this thread are overeacting a bit. If i were to say that ive got brown eyes, am i discrinating against myself because im treating myself as being different from those who have blue eyes? No, of course not, i'm describing myself and because all people are different, you can never describe each other as being the same irrespective of what race they are. I accept that I look very different from say Brad Pitt and I dont care if people agree with that and tell me that! Im an englishman, a european. I am not an argentine, a south american. If people really want to be treated the same as others, then why react when people describe you... surely by reacting you are seperating yourself from everone else who does not react. I personally detest racism. I may be completely wrong about this but I think if you describe someone as being English, Asian, Chinese, American, Australian etc it is "racialism" (a form of description) NOT "racism" (a form or discrimination). There is a big difference between description and discrimination.
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(Original post by kildare)
I'm not sure. I'm sure Pencil Queen knows though
Yup, she does seem to 'know' quite a bit.
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(Original post by kingpong)
Even if the Asian:White British ratio is 1:1, that's wrong. Surely that's discriminating against White British, since 90% of the country is white?
The ratio may reflect the ratio of the ethnic minorities of applicants. The whole country does not apply to UCL.

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The ratio may reflect the ratio of the ethnic minorities of applicants. The whole country does not apply to UCL.

J.
thats a good point
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Oh my god. I had my interview at UCL. What a complete dump.

Contrary to what has become the body of this post (that is, the Asian discussion), I saw far more white dudes (likely from independent school, but I dont know) than I saw Asians.

It really is a cold, hollow, impersonal place. Very much like a hospital or musuem - but worse.

Those who have read the 'Black Ambition' thread will already know that I think it is ridiculous to not go to a college cos of its racial make - up, but i fail to see how anyone could feel socially happy in that place - regardless of any ethnic majority/minority.

Seriously, despite meeting an excellent tutor, the place is really awful.

PS I spoke to a few whites and they didn't think the Asians were cliquey (sp?). In fact, they said it was quite the opposite.

PPS Marina - Do you consider it offensive to refer to white people as 'whites'?
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well i went to a biomedical open day at UCL today. i'd say 80-90% of the other ppl there were "foreign" (asian + oriental).
i agree with te last poster tho - i dnt like UCL either.. it seems a little cold and uninviting altho the admissions tutor was really nice
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(Original post by FunkyTeenAngel)
well i went to a biomedical open day at UCL today. i'd say 80-90% of the other ppl there were "foreign" (asian + oriental).
i agree with te last poster tho - i dnt like UCL either.. it seems a little cold and uninviting altho the admissions tutor was really nice
You weren't downstairs in the Darwin building were you? If so, how did you find the bloody building using the hyroglifix (sp) map provided? I got lost so many times and I am a Londoner with generally good map reading skills (obviously not).

There was leeking roofs, chipped floors, toilets without doors, 'beware of thief' signs (and non existent security guards), building sites, ladders, and general crap all over the place. UCL's material life is in such a bad state, nevermind the social life.

One thing is clear though; if you are looking for a smooth transition into the 'real' world then UCL is not the place for you. You pretty much are left to your own devices - and there is no university campus feel about it whatsoever.
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You weren't downstairs in the Darwin building were you? If so, how did you find the bloody building using the hyroglifix (sp) map provided? I got lost so many times and I am a Londoner with generally good map reading skills (obviously not).

There was leeking roofs, chipped floors, toilets without doors, 'beware of thief' signs (and non existent security guards), building sites, ladders, and general crap all over the place. UCL's material life is in such a bad state, nevermind the social life.

One thing is clear though; if you are looking for a smooth transition into the 'real' world then UCL is not the place for you. You pretty much are left to your own devices - and there is no university campus feel about it whatsoever.
You see I wish I had noticed all this when I first went to look around there. All they ever seem to show students is that lovely parthanon-type building, the rest of it is preety much a dump.
Oh well, I'm glad to see some people had more sense than I did and won't have to drop out and have wasted a year just like me.
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One thing is clear though; if you are looking for a smooth transition into the 'real' world then UCL is not the place for you. You pretty much are left to your own devices - and there is no university campus feel about it whatsoever.
Surely the transition into the "real" world is a lot smoother if you haven't been wrapped in cotton wool for another 3 years, living in the school-like atmosphere of a campus and actually realising that the whole POINT of the real world IS being left to your own devices!
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Surely the transition into the "real" world is a lot smoother if you haven't been wrapped in cotton wool for another 3 years, living in the school-like atmosphere of a campus and actually realising that the whole POINT of the real world IS being left to your own devices!
Actually, I dont think that the the atmosphere of a campus uni is school-like. And I don't think you are wrapped in cotton wool either.

There should be a good balance as far as I am concerned. UCL doesnt have a good balance.
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Actually, I dont think that the the atmosphere of a campus uni is school-like. And I don't think you are wrapped in cotton wool either.

There should be a good balance as far as I am concerned. UCL doesnt have a good balance.
Campus is a lot more school-like than a city university. Almost all of the people you see in the course of a day are students, which is far from what you would get in the "real world". I agree that it obviously differs, with no-one chasing you for work and all that, but generally its contained within itself. That the whole point of a campus - you don't have to leave if you don't want to. Everything is on your doorstep. It's a very protective environment - not the real world.

UCL suits people who are already self sufficient. It's nothing to do with age, it's more about personality. If you don't feel ready to leave school the campus is probably better, if you want to live life as you would if you were working but prefer to carry on studying at the same time, then UCL and such are more suitable.
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Oh my god. I had my interview at UCL. What a complete dump.

Contrary to what has become the body of this post (that is, the Asian discussion), I saw far more white dudes (likely from independent school, but I dont know) than I saw Asians.

It really is a cold, hollow, impersonal place. Very much like a hospital or musuem - but worse.
My friend had an interview at UCL this week. He agrees all of the above, except that he saw a high proportion of applicants who were not caucasian.

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Campus is a lot more school-like than a city university. Almost all of the people you see in the course of a day are students, which is far from what you would get in the "real world". I agree that it obviously differs, with no-one chasing you for work and all that, but generally its contained within itself. That the whole point of a campus - you don't have to leave if you don't want to. Everything is on your doorstep. It's a very protective environment - not the real world.

UCL suits people who are already self sufficient. It's nothing to do with age, it's more about personality. If you don't feel ready to leave school the campus is probably better, if you want to live life as you would if you were working but prefer to carry on studying at the same time, then UCL and such are more suitable.
I dont think the type of people you see in the course of a day is particularly important, or relevant. The important aspects of the "real" world are not the social roles of the people you come into contact with on a day to day basis, but more concerned with the independence and self sufficiency that an individual needs to be successful.

I agree that a campus is not the real world, but it is far from school - and most def a less protective environment. Hence my view that it is a good transition. As you say, UCL suits people who are self sufficient. Those coming from schools will not likely be self sufficient and that is the point I am getting across in my first post when I stated that UCL is not the place to be if you are looking for a smooth transition.

PS I wasn't suggesting that this matter had anything to do with age. I agree that it is very much to do with personality.....I thought that was what my post was saying.
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I dont think the type of people you see in the course of a day is particularly important, or relevant. The important aspects of the "real" world are not the social roles of the people you come into contact with on a day to day basis, but more concerned with the independence and self sufficiency that an individual needs to be successful.

I agree that a campus is not the real world, but it is far from school - and most def a less protective environment. Hence my view that it is a good transition. As you say, UCL suits people who are self sufficient. Those coming from schools will not likely be self sufficient and that is the point I am getting across in my first post when I stated that UCL is not the place to be if you are looking for a smooth transition.

PS I wasn't suggesting that this matter had anything to do with age. I agree that it is very much to do with personality.....I thought that was what my post was saying.
I was saying that on campus, you come into contact with students in a student-geared environment, so not really a progression...just a lateral shift. What would you define as the real world?

The age thing I picked up on you touched on again above - coming straight from school. I meant some people coming straight from school are independent. Surely if you're not coming straight from school, you're going to be older, hence more mature with age. I was saying the type of environment you pick depends on your maturity at 18.

And I know you weren't suggesting this, but self sufficience doesn't tie in with how much fun you have/want to have. Uni is what you make it, regardless of on or off campus, living at home or halls, or any other factors. It's just concerned that people are going to get put off UCL from subjective opinions of people who are too lazy/scared to venture into London itself. If you think the only good places in London cost a bomb, then you haven't looked hard enough!
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