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I was saying that on campus, you come into contact with students in a student-geared environment, so not really a progression...just a lateral shift. What would you define as the real world?
To define the real world is a bit of a task. But I would say that the student geared environment does not have a massive bearing on the principles of indepence and self sufficiency. You can learn to work independently and self sufficiently in a campus. If you dont already have these skills, then you are f**ked if you go to UCL.

The age thing I picked up on you touched on again above - coming straight from school. I meant some people coming straight from school are independent. Surely if you're not coming straight from school, you're going to be older, hence more mature with age. I was saying the type of environment you pick depends on your maturity at 18.
Yes, I am not disputing that people coming straight from school will be independent - in fact, I was.

And I know you weren't suggesting this, but self sufficience doesn't tie in with how much fun you have/want to have. Uni is what you make it, regardless of on or off campus, living at home or halls, or any other factors. It's just concerned that people are going to get put off UCL from subjective opinions of people who are too lazy/scared to venture into London itself. If you think the only good places in London cost a bomb, then you haven't looked hard enough!
My comments of smooth transition were not to do with my opinions of the social life at UCL. I should also point out that I am in my early twenties, I work in the City and I have a mortgage on house in Central London - so I have a good understanding of what London has to offer. Furthermore, I grew up in London.

PS I don't think my subjective comments are putting anyone off UCL: surely any sensible person will get off their lazy/scared arse and venture to into London and either find that they agree or disagree with me!!!!
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My comments of smooth transition were not to do with my opinions of the social life at UCL. I should also point out that I am in my early twenties, I work in the City and I have a mortgage on house in Central London - so I have a good understanding of what London has to offer. Furthermore, I grew up in London.

PS I don't think my subjective comments are putting anyone off UCL: surely any sensible person will get off their lazy/scared arse and venture to into London and either find that they agree or disagree with me!!!!
I wasn't talking about your personal experiences, I was talking about some of the views expressed by people on this thread.
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I wasn't talking about your personal experiences, I was talking about some of the views expressed by people on this thread.
When I visited UCL I spoke to many 2nd year students. They said that if they had known that there was going to be such little support they may not have chosen UCL - although they didn't say they were unhappy there!

I just think that this is something to bare in mind when people are making their considerations, that's all.
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When will anyone who has read the opening to this thread realise the disgusting racism which seems to ooze from every single word? - have you ever thought that there are a lot of asians at UCL because they are high achievers and deserve to be there and that maybe there are less whites there because UCL specialises in Medicine, a degree which has now become the distinct preserve of many asians?

I feel that ur reason for disliking UCL is prominently based on ur displeasure at having to share every 100 yards of space with asians - this is totally uncalled for and really reveals how shallow you are. If you dont like it why incite mob-mentality in other people reading this thread by saying things like 'ooh you stick out like a sore thumb if ur anything but asian' = as if to say asians are taking over? your view is at best ideosyncratic but it would be very generous of me to excuse such a view by putting it down to ignorance - you clearly have not got much idea of what London is about if this is how you choose to react.

London is multi-cultural because people from all over the world and from all races choose to study in London and have every right to do so because they are high-achievers. I think your views are out of synch and quite offensive to any asians who might hope to read some educated comments about UCL social life. Racism has no part to play in multi-cultural london although i am resigned to the fact that inevitably there are idiots who wish to cling onto old ideals taught to them by their grandparents or who live the simple life in the country secluded from all contact with anyone who has a dark face and the changing world. it is a shame an offer from UCL was ever wasted on the likes of you!
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When will anyone who has read the opening to this thread realise the disgusting racism which seems to ooze from every single word?
omg i thought we had gotten through this idea that marina was being racist!!!!!!!!!!

saying there are a lot of asians is not being racist!!!!!! i say it all the time and im asian myself this is getting so frustrating i hate all this politically correct rubbish.
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Don't you think that's just being picky?
What is said WAS NOT, racism?
'Asian' is not a racist term, it is an adjective, a describing word, hence that was exactly what I was doing, describing them.
My point had nothing to do with the way you described "asians". That's a perfectly acceptable term.

You come across as someone that doesn't fit into a cosmopolitan society. Perhaps some university and some place that is less ethnically diverse would be better for you.
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Same here, what you studying?


To people such as Marina and anyone else who thinks the same as her:
If you choose a London Uni, invariabley you're going to get loads of different people at the uni and realistically Unis in the middle of nowhere or less well known have quite a high proportion of ethnic minorities also. It's true that sometimes people will go off together in their little groups because they are of the same origin and so can possily connect well, but there are going to be loads of other people who will make friends with everyone and anyone, and you should be one of those people, not look at peoples origins and assume that they won't be your mate just because of it. Marina you're living in the past if you think that going to another uni e.g Brookes is going to mean that there will be more whiteys or soemthing.
chemical engineering....i think i will be suited to the multicultural envirnment at london unis as i am used to it; in my school rite now they are over 50 different nationalities....
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(Original post by Kurdt Morello)
When will anyone who has read the opening to this thread realise the disgusting racism which seems to ooze from every single word? - have you ever thought that there are a lot of asians at UCL because they are high achievers and deserve to be there and that maybe there are less whites there because UCL specialises in Medicine, a degree which has now become the distinct preserve of many asians?

I feel that ur reason for disliking UCL is prominently based on ur displeasure at having to share every 100 yards of space with asians - this is totally uncalled for and really reveals how shallow you are. If you dont like it why incite mob-mentality in other people reading this thread by saying things like 'ooh you stick out like a sore thumb if ur anything but asian' = as if to say asians are taking over? your view is at best ideosyncratic but it would be very generous of me to excuse such a view by putting it down to ignorance - you clearly have not got much idea of what London is about if this is how you choose to react.

London is multi-cultural because people from all over the world and from all races choose to study in London and have every right to do so because they are high-achievers. I think your views are out of synch and quite offensive to any asians who might hope to read some educated comments about UCL social life. Racism has no part to play in multi-cultural london although i am resigned to the fact that inevitably there are idiots who wish to cling onto old ideals taught to them by their grandparents or who live the simple life in the country secluded from all contact with anyone who has a dark face and the changing world. it is a shame an offer from UCL was ever wasted on the likes of you!
Newsflash: I live in London arsewip and have done all my life.
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I started reading this thread coz i got rejected by UCL, (my own fault, btw, didn't do 1 of the A levels that was actually required for my course *blush*) and I wanted to see what I was missing by not going there. but it seems to have turned into a racism thing. I can see why some of you have felt discriminated against but I think that's more to do with misinterpreting what marina said than actually marina being racist.

To Marina: I am an Asian and I've moved around coz of my dad's job, I know how terrible it feels to be segregated. In my school right now most of the Spanish are separated from all the foreigners. This is not coz of racism, it's coz the Spanish can't be bothered to speak in english at break times and the foreigners aren't learning spanish quickly enough... Segregation is terrible and I feel really lonely sometimes, if UCL is really like that ) then I can see why you left (plus all the other good reasons you've explained)... In your case I would've done the same just in the same way I can't wait to get out of the so-called international school I am in right now.
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I started reading this thread coz i got rejected by UCL, (my own fault, btw, didn't do 1 of the A levels that was actually required for my course *blush*) and I wanted to see what I was missing by not going there. but it seems to have turned into a racism thing. I can see why some of you have felt discriminated against but I think that's more to do with misinterpreting what marina said than actually marina being racist.

To Marina: I am an Asian and I've moved around coz of my dad's job, I know how terrible it feels to be segregated. In my school right now most of the Spanish are separated from all the foreigners. This is not coz of racism, it's coz the Spanish can't be bothered to speak in english at break times and the foreigners aren't learning spanish quickly enough... Segregation is terrible and I feel really lonely sometimes, if UCL is really like that ) then I can see why you left (plus all the other good reasons you've explained)... In your case I would've done the same just in the same way I can't wait to get out of the so-called international school I am in right now.
Thankyou Rutera, its nice 2 see someone can actually understand where I was coming from, and that someone who is actually asian can understand that I wasn't being at all racist.
I hope you have a great time at uni.
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I just read this whole thread..and have found it extremely funny. I mean, there are people over reacting waay too much. I am an asian, in an almost 'white' community (NOT being racist here)....and it was weird for me at first, coming from an international place to not be in a mulicultural society . When i looked around...i was the only coloured person.... I first did think 'what am I doing here?'...but its not that big a deal....i am now having the time of life...with the same people that were always there. If someone were to ask me if there was any segregation here, I would laugh at their face, where as before, i would have said yes. UCL may be filled with Asians....but there are some posts that haven't felt all the same way. Perhaps you feel that there are to many asians there because you look for them and you notice even more...like they say 'you see what you want to see.' I'm not saying that what you are feeling is wrong, but it is kind of hurtful as what I gathered from your first post (Marina's) is that one reason of you not liking UCL was because there were too many Asians.
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while we're at it.. have you got any negative stuff about warwick or heriot-watt??? i'm still trying to pick between the two... i've got an offer from Warwick for MORSE, and i'm still waiting for Heriot-Watt's reply for Actuarial Maths and Stats.

it would really help if anyone who's been to heriot-watt could tell me what it's really like.. i've heard quite a lot about warwick, and it seems to be a fantastic place, but the course at heriot-watt is really appealing.. HELP!
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so out of ucl and imperial which wud be better to accept? coz i still aint go a f****** clue?














ps. where is the love y'all?
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(Original post by Kurdt Morello)
When will anyone who has read the opening to this thread realise the disgusting racism which seems to ooze from every single word? - have you ever thought that there are a lot of asians at UCL because they are high achievers and deserve to be there and that maybe there are less whites there because UCL specialises in Medicine, a degree which has now become the distinct preserve of many asians?

I feel that ur reason for disliking UCL is prominently based on ur displeasure at having to share every 100 yards of space with asians - this is totally uncalled for and really reveals how shallow you are. If you dont like it why incite mob-mentality in other people reading this thread by saying things like 'ooh you stick out like a sore thumb if ur anything but asian' = as if to say asians are taking over? your view is at best ideosyncratic but it would be very generous of me to excuse such a view by putting it down to ignorance - you clearly have not got much idea of what London is about if this is how you choose to react.

London is multi-cultural because people from all over the world and from all races choose to study in London and have every right to do so because they are high-achievers. I think your views are out of synch and quite offensive to any asians who might hope to read some educated comments about UCL social life. Racism has no part to play in multi-cultural london although i am resigned to the fact that inevitably there are idiots who wish to cling onto old ideals taught to them by their grandparents or who live the simple life in the country secluded from all contact with anyone who has a dark face and the changing world. it is a shame an offer from UCL was ever wasted on the likes of you!
I would not like to go to an institution (in this country) where as a white person I felt in a minority.

Does this make me a racist too?
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so out of ucl and imperial which wud be better to accept? coz i still aint go a f****** clue?

Dunno really, to be honest Id get out of London. You miss oout on alot not being in a campus uni.
P.S The halls at UCL are ****.














ps. where is the love y'all?
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I would not like to go to an institution (in this country) where as a white person I felt in a minority.

Does this make me a racist too?

Really depends on what definition you use, consider the following.

Racism is:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

So, what reason do you have for not wanting to attend an institution where white people are a minority? Lets assume, as I believe this to be a reasonable assumption, that people are chosen on merit. I'm not claiming that you are a racist, I'm just interested in what your reasons are. Indeed, if anyone else shares this view, I am curious as to why.
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I would not like to go to an institution (in this country) where as a white person I felt in a minority.

Does this make me a racist too?
That depends on your rationale, of which I am not aware.

I would venture that most people who hold that opinion would be racist, yes.
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I'm not claiming that you are a racist, I'm just interested in what your reasons are. Indeed, if anyone else shares this view, I am curious as to why.
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Really depends on what definition you use, consider the following.

Racism is:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

So, what reason do you have for not wanting to attend an institution where white people are a minority? Lets assume, as I believe this to be a reasonable assumption, that people are chosen on merit. I'm not claiming that you are a racist, I'm just interested in what your reasons are. Indeed, if anyone else shares this view, I am curious as to why.
I wouldnt want to go because people of the same ethnic background normally stick together, thus I could find an element of exclusion. It would be evident that I was not one of their group and thus social interaction could be more difficult.

I dont have any probems with Asians as such, I have friends who are Asian or Black and we all get on very well however just because I would not want to go to a University with an Asian majority does not make me a racist, I would see it as more of a personal choice.

Am I allowed a personal choice or are we all being so P.C. that no one is allowed to say anything anymore?

A while back in Manchester one of the muslim groups decided to protest outside the university campaigning for the abolition of the uni's Jewish society? Is this racist too or just an expression of free speech?
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A while back in Manchester one of the muslim groups decided to protest outside the university campaigning for the abolition of the uni's Jewish society? Is this racist too or just an expression of free speech?
Is there a reason why it can't be both?
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