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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    wait hold up! i dont believe that vienna made such a mess of answering the question a couple of pages ago!

    america intervenes to protect people rights to exist, rubbish! america intervenes due to self intrest: vietnam is a perfect example of this! supporting barbairic dictator and dropping more bombs than used in the whole of both world wars on a third world country, hmmm yes protecting the people right.
    Hehehe, she's so right, they fight for the freedom of the world.
    :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by JSM)
    in what way, he has been buyilt up into a mythical figure, like Mother teresa or martin luther king and you can not say any wrong about him.

    He was active in neighbouring countries, do a search on the net
    His achievements - what about the rest of the ANC then, why does the media have to spotlight on an individual not a group.

    they will be unable to slaughter me
    no his achievements are in no way mystical but very concrete and the special thing is the PEACEFUL way he chose over the violent one (which most of his friends chose). You may say as much about him as you want but accept the facts.
    And the media do not have such a spotlight on him, I mean in the end he was the president of South Africa since 1994!!! The media also have a spotlight on Tony Blair, dont they?
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    (Original post by ben2111)
    I said they failed, read my text please.
    No I did not manage to read das kapital cause I find this stuff extremely hard to digest, to be honest. Maybe I should
    das kapital is interesting but not really worth the time - although i have only read the enlgish translations as my german is not up to scratch.

    your text, says do not equate the failure of communims with that of socialism, please show me a successful socialiset country
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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    wait hold up! i dont believe that vienna made such a mess of answering the question a couple of pages ago!

    america intervenes to protect people rights to exist, rubbish! america intervenes due to self intrest: vietnam is a perfect example of this! supporting barbairic dictator and dropping more bombs than used in the whole of both world wars on a third world country, hmmm yes protecting the people right.
    Welll there was quite a lot of ess tonight ;-)))
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    (Original post by ben2111)
    Yes but socialist had a completely different meaning, it is a bit of a wrong translation cause in German it rather means social, not socialist. Everybody called themselves social at that time.
    And you contradicted yourself, Keynsian methods are not exactly communism, are they?
    I'm sorry, but what exactly about "sozialistisch" is so ambiguous? For "social", you have "sozial", so why didn't Hitler call himself a "social nationalist".

    By the way, Mussolini was a Socialist, before he invented fascism...

    However, of course you're right when you say that Hitler was not a socialist. I was just using a little word-play to illustrate my point. Yet, it is true that fascism and socialism share certain elements.

    Among other things, theire opposition to classical liberalism and the free-market. The Nazi manifesto was as aggressive against capitalism as the communist manifesto. Fascists are fundamentally anit-capitalist.

    Keynsian methods pushed to the extreme and beyond (as in the case of Nazi Germany) very much resemble socialism. Of course, I'm not saying that Keynes had anything to do with socialism, but the idea of state intervention into the economy is one held up by socialists.
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    (Original post by JSM)
    das kapital is interesting but not really worth the time - although i have only read the enlgish translations as my german is not up to scratch.

    your text, says do not equate the failure of communims with that of socialism, please show me a successful socialiset country
    No I did not say and mean that, socialism has never been successful; even though a believer (which I am not) would say it has never been proven wrong either, people have jsut tried wrongly
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    (Original post by ben2111)
    no his achievements are in no way mystical but very concrete and the special thing is the PEACEFUL way he chose over the violent one (which most of his friends chose). You may say as much about him as you want but accept the facts.
    And the media do not have such a spotlight on him, I mean in the end he was the president of South Africa since 1994!!! The media also have a spotlight on Tony Blair, dont they?
    teh media did have a spotlight on me, can you tell me off the top of your head the leader of the Zulu anti apartheid movement. Exactly, thats whats wrong they focus on the leader and either rubbish of hold him up.

    I accept that facts that eventually he chose a non violent over a violent way but he was a terrorist/freedom fighter before that - why he was in jail.
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    If prostitution was made legal and was regulated by the government then it would stop kids being exploited for sex...ok here im talking on a global scale!

    BACK TO THE ISSUE PLEASE!!
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    (Original post by zizero)
    I'm sorry, but what exactly about "sozialistisch" is so ambiguous? For "social", you have "sozial", so why didn't Hitler call himself a "social nationalist".

    By the way, Mussolini was a Socialist, before he invented fascism...

    However, of course you're right when you say that Hitler was not a socialist. I was just using a little word-play to illustrate my point. Yet, it is true that fascism and socialism share certain elements.

    Among other things, theire opposition to classical liberalism and the free-market. The Nazi manifesto was as aggressive against capitalism as the communist manifesto. Fascists are fundamentally anit-capitalist.

    Keynsian methods pushed to the extreme and beyond (as in the case of Nazi Germany) very much resemble socialism. Of course, I'm not saying that Keynes had anything to do with socialism, but the idea of state intervention into the economy is one held up by socialists.
    In fact at the time when Hitler was elected one could not have been elected being a complete capitalist cause only a few industrialists would have voted for him.
    Help me quickly, my little knowledge about Keynes seems to be hidden, what is it that Hitler adapted exactly?
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    (Original post by ThornsnRoses)
    If prostitution was made legal and was regulated by the government then it would stop kids being exploited for sex...ok here im talking on a global scale!

    BACK TO THE ISSUE PLEASE!!
    dont think its going to happen some how
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    (Original post by ben2111)
    No I did not say and mean that, socialism has never been successful; even though a believer (which I am not) would say it has never been proven wrong either, people have jsut tried wrongly
    well i could say the same about capitalism and in fact i have a nice quote somewhere about it
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    (Original post by ThornsnRoses)
    If prostitution was made legal and was regulated by the government then it would stop kids being exploited for sex...ok here im talking on a global scale!

    BACK TO THE ISSUE PLEASE!!
    Welcome!!! Vienna jsut left and our little discussion seems to become calmer... pity... there was one immensely successful attempt to get us back to the subject some minutes ago. You can found an initiative.
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    Where are you guys???
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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    dont think its going to happen some how

    well you have no choice but to elect me as leader of the world...and then we shall see what happens!
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    (Original post by ben2111)
    In fact at the time when Hitler was elected one could not have been elected being a complete capitalist cause only a few industrialists would have voted for him.
    Help me quickly, my little knowledge about Keynes seems to be hidden, what is it that Hitler adapted exactly?
    I agree that at the time Hitler came to power, classical liberalism was not exactly fashionable...

    About the Keynsian methods used by the Nazis:
    The Nazis invested in huge public projects, such as the (in)famous German Autobahnen. These projects created jobs. That gave people money they could spend. Firms were selling more stuff again and made more profit. Hence, they could create new jobs etc. etc.
    Basically, the vicious cycle, that had pushed the German economy into depression, was reversed through these measures of public investment. That's at the source of the Keynsian idea.

    The same kind of measures were taken by Roosevelt through the "New Deal". However, they were not as radical as in Germany.

    The Nazi really pushed it (especially through military projects). The created jobs by investing in stuff that basically was not necessary. Hence, they created a huge economic bubble. It never really burst, because of the war. However, had the war not happened (ie had the economy been left by itself), the bubbly would eventually have burst and the German economy would have fallen back into inflation.

    Many Germans who have lived through the Third Reich, remember the first years of Hitler's dictatorship as a "Golden Age". The mainstream German, who did not suffer persecution, was actually fairly well-off during the first years of Nazism, as the economy picked up again.
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    (Original post by zizero)
    I agree that at the time Hitler came to power, classical liberalism was not exactly fashionable...

    About the Keynsian methods used by the Nazis:
    The Nazis invested in huge public projects, such as the (in)famous German Autobahnen. These projects created jobs. That gave people money they could spend. Firms were selling more stuff again and made more profit. Hence, they could create new jobs etc. etc.
    Basically, the vicious cycle, that had pushed the German economy into depression, was reversed through these measures of public investment. That's at the source of the Keynsian idea.

    The same kind of measures were taken by Roosevelt through the "New Deal". However, they were not as radical as in Germany.

    The Nazi really pushed it (especially through military projects). The created jobs by investing in stuff that basically was not necessary. Hence, they created a huge economic bubble. It never really burst, because of the war. However, had the war not happened (ie had the economy been left by itself), the bubbly would eventually have burst and the German economy would have fallen back into inflation.

    Many Germans who have lived through the Third Reich, remember the first years of Hitler's dictatorship as a "Golden Age". The mainstream German, who did not suffer persecution, was actually fairly well-off during the first years of Nazism, as the economy picked up again.
    Good post
    Well not everybody was blind enough to see Hitler as a golden age but yeah, many did in the beginning at least.
    By the way, the bubble would never have burst because Hitler was planning the war since he got to power... that is pretty much proven .But it was actually quite a smart economic policy he had. Unfortunately.
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    (Original post by ThornsnRoses)
    well you have no choice but to elect me as leader of the world...and then we shall see what happens!
    Maybe I prefer the bad world
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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    wait hold up! i dont believe that vienna made such a mess of answering the question a couple of pages ago!

    america intervenes to protect people rights to exist, rubbish! america intervenes due to self intrest: vietnam is a perfect example of this! supporting barbairic dictator and dropping more bombs than used in the whole of both world wars on a third world country, hmmm yes protecting the people right.
    a) if you could tell me the interest in their intervention in

    Germany
    Kuwait
    Israel
    Kosovo

    b) whats wrong with national interest?
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    (Original post by Eternal Idol)
    Hehehe, she's so right, they fight for the freedom of the world.
    :rolleyes:
    certainly the freedom and defence of Europe. which i believe is where we all are now?
 
 
 
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