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I think we can predict the answer don't you?
Hope I met your expectations.
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oh oh oh I think I am alone against two ;-)))

Our morality comes from where you say, I never doubted that. I just showed that it is not necessarily useful or right, proven by the fact that Howard could not answer the question why it should be wrong to sleep with your sister since three replies.
im a little lost to your point in regards to this. ideas of morals in our society exist and there are laws that reflect that. the objective value of each is irrelevant to their existence. im guessing you are saying that, as such, why should it be a problem to legalise prostitution?

And right too, if everybody came to Europe it would not be what it is. But you have to consider that people who leave home for an unknown place must be very desperate, I do not think anybody would do that,
i think its already been established that people will leave for the chance of a better standard of living.

especially since they mostly come from close communities and therefore have strong bounds with home. And I do not agree with treating these people bad, if they are legal or illegal should not always matter. At least not MORALLY, maybe we have to make it matter economically.
what about the people of this country, does their welfare not matter? how can you say, that by letting in criminals, murderers and migrants that are unable to contribute to society you are acting morally?
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Hope I met your expectations.
You sure did. Fortunately my expectations were not that high.

*******s. Zimbabwe under colonialism was the "bread basket of Africa" Zimbabwe now is a chaos ridden cess pit, run by a despotic fool, which is why it can no longer feed itself.

You make me laugh!

What do you think? If it wasn't for colonialism do you think they'd all be skipping through the rainforest and living on milk and honey in Sierra Leone? BS!

You're damn right "not all poverty in the world results from Europeans exploiting countries" It results from the fact that so many of these countries have scant regard for the democratic process, are utterly incapable of responsibly managing their own countries, are rife with corruption, chaotic, and adhere to socio-economic principles; viz communism, that have been proven time and again to fail.
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Oh yeah, and why are there so many poor people? Well, for Africa we discussed it once already (heard of colonialism?), India dito. Of course not all poverty in the world results from Europeans exploiting countries they should better have left alone but a relevant percentage.
The most developed parts of India today are those that were influenced most by British imperialism and continue to incorporate Western technology and methods. Of every Indian that I have met, each one embraces the benfits and advantages that British rule brought to their history, as we are grateful for what we learnt and took from Indian culture. To say that the parts of this country which still live in relative poverty exist because of British colonialism is sheer folly, and one that im sure any Indian would refute.

what exactly about Africa are the British to blame for?
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You're damn right "not all poverty in the world results from Europeans exploiting countries" It results from the fact that so many of these countries have scant regard for the democratic process, are utterly incapable of responsibly managing their own countries, are rife with corruption, chaotic, and adhere to socio-economic principles; viz communism, that have been proven time and again to fail.
and people wonder how the West can talk of superior societies!
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and people wonder how the West can talk of superior societies!

Oh No. Don't forget "All societies are equal" Vienna (er......yeh........sure........ )
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Oh No. Don't forget "All societies are equal" Vienna (er......yeh........sure........ )
ooh, sorry...i clean forgot *yawns*

*giggles*
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im a little lost to your point in regards to this. ideas of morals in our society exist and there are laws that reflect that. the objective value of each is irrelevant to their existence. im guessing you are saying that, as such, why should it be a problem to legalise prostitution?



i think its already been established that people will leave for the chance of a better standard of living.



what about the people of this country, does their welfare not matter? how can you say, that by letting in criminals, murderers and migrants that are unable to contribute to society you are acting morally?
I was talking ONLY about personal moral standards, not about the society.
The welfare of everybody matters, but since their is such a vast difference world wide it cannot harm to equalize a little. That is normally called fairness.
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You sure did. Fortunately my expectations were not that high.

*******s. Zimbabwe under colonialism was the "bread basket of Africa" Zimbabwe now is a chaos ridden cess pit, run by a despotic fool, which is why it can no longer feed itself.

You make me laugh!

What do you think? If it wasn't for colonialism do you think they'd all be skipping through the rainforest and living on milk and honey in Sierra Leone? BS!

You're damn right "not all poverty in the world results from Europeans exploiting countries" It results from the fact that so many of these countries have scant regard for the democratic process, are utterly incapable of responsibly managing their own countries, are rife with corruption, chaotic, and adhere to socio-economic principles; viz communism, that have been proven time and again to fail.
You are quite arrogant, considering you have probably never been to Southern Africa. The Europeans left the continent in a complete mess, what did you think, the black slaves would continue to produce bread for the Europeans???
Democracy was certainly not brought to Africa by the Europeans, that is true. Of course they are struggeling, it is only 40 years that they are independent now; how long did it take until the UK was democratic?
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The welfare of everybody matters, but since their is such a vast difference world wide it cannot harm to equalize a little. That is normally called fairness.
no, its called socialism.
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ooh, sorry...i clean forgot *yawns*

*giggles*
Yeah quite honestly I find it a bit tiring to discuss with you guys, you are not very open-minded towards any ideas that might treaten your perfect image of your world/society. It is very easy to hide from history, reality and the rest of the world with the argument "we have done everything perfect, so now we are fine. The rest does not affect us."
Btw, what are you studying vienna?
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no, its called socialism.
Socialim is the political term. I chose the moral term.
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Socialim is the political term. I chose the moral term.
whose morals? yours?
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Yeah quite honestly I find it a bit tiring to discuss with you guys, you are not very open-minded towards any ideas that might treaten your perfect image of your world/society. It is very easy to hide from history, reality and the rest of the world with the argument "we have done everything perfect, so now we are fine. The rest does not affect us."
ahh, the classic "your narrow minded because u wont accept MY point of view" line. unless you can argue that all societies are in fact "equal"?


Btw, what are you studying vienna?
im not.
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ahh, the classic "your narrow minded because u wont accept MY point of view" line. unless you can argue that all societies are in fact "equal"?




im not.
Not MY morals, any morals. It is just a term, in whatever way you understand it is your problem. I think "fair" means a moral that aims at making people equal, but that is MY moral, OK?

Of course all societies are equal, as long as they do not harm anybody outside or inside their circles. Even though every society harms people inside in very diverse ways. I guess that will always bve subject to opinion and not to facts. And PLEASE do not tell me now muslim societies harm us by terrorism cause then I will sit here the rest of the day and list occasions when Europeans, the USA, Israel & Company have damaged the rest of the world and taken billions of lives away.
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You are quite arrogant, considering you have probably never been to Southern Africa. The Europeans left the continent in a complete mess, what did you think, the black slaves would continue to produce bread for the Europeans???
Democracy was certainly not brought to Africa by the Europeans, that is true. Of course they are struggeling, it is only 40 years that they are independent now; how long did it take until the UK was democratic?
I don't think you should be making assumptions about "where I have been" do you?

Black slaves producing bread for Europeans? What planet are you on? We're not talking about black slaves making bread for white colonialists are we? We're talking about free blacks making bread for their own consumption, which is something that I'd have thought they'd have a vested interest in doing, but nevertheless either don't or wont.

It's hardly the fault of colonialism if the fertile lands of Zimbabwe lie fallow due to corruption and stupidity.

Slaves? Don't even get me on the slavery debate. Africa was steeped in slavery long before evil Mr.Whitey arrived on the continent. As a matter of fact much of it still is.
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I don't think you should be making assumptions about "where I have been" do you?

Black slaves producing bread for Europeans? What planet are you on? We're not talking about black slaves making bread for white colonialists are we? We're talking about free blacks making bread for their own consumption, which is something that I'd have thought they'd have a vested interest in doing, but nevertheless either don't or wont.

It's hardly the fault of colonialism if the fertile lands of Zimbabwe lie fallow due to corruption and stupidity.

Slaves? Don't even get me on the slavery debate. Africa was steeped in slavery long before evil Mr.Whitey arrived on the continent. As a matter of fact much of it still is.
??? First, I referred to teh slavce labour blacks had to do before the end of colonialism, I wanted to point at the fact that they were not used to a normal working society and independent thought and that their market broke down with the end of colonialism as well.
Assumptions where you might have been rely solely on a statistical figure about how many Europeans have been to black Africa for a longer time.
And when was there slavery in the states before the immigrants from Europe arrived? I am interested...
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Sorry, made a mistake about the slavery. I thought you had said America,not Africa. But still, the slavery that existed before was of a completely differnet type. And Europe had seen a lot of slavery before, too (Roman empire), so do not come with the evil black people bs I have heard before in ths board. Thanks
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ahh, the classic "your narrow minded because u wont accept MY point of view" line.
And no, I do not mean that (and did not say it). I know that I have sometimes quite radical positions myself which derive from my personal experiences.
I think you are subconsciously hiding but again, that is MY opnion. Oh I have become so careful when discussing with you...
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??? First, I referred to teh slavce labour blacks had to do before the end of colonialism, I wanted to point at the fact that they were not used to a normal working society and independent thought and that their market broke down with the end of colonialism as well.
Assumptions where you might have been rely solely on a statistical figure about how many Europeans have been to black Africa for a longer time.
And when was there slavery in the states before the immigrants from Europe arrived? I am interested...
Obviously, there were no slaves in the US before the arrival of European immigrants. That's not the point I was making. The point I was making is that there was was slavery in Africa long before colonization. How do you think the pyramids were built over 2000 years ago?

And the second point I was making was that there is still plenty of it about. For example,the United Nation's children's agency UNICEF estimates 200,000 children are traded each year in West and Central Africa alone.
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