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I wasn't actually referring to your post at all - more to a general impression I get of the forum, as a whole.
Oh well, this is just confusing. Let's forget about it.
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If you want a good all round Comp Sci course then there are many uni's that are very impressive. In addition to Cambridge, Imperial and York (the big 3 already mentioned), I liked the look of Notts, Manchester, Newcastle, Loughborough (mainly due to an excellent industrial year programme) and Bath

If you are severely into programming then you may consider taking a Software Engineering course rather then a pure Comp Sci one. Fortunately these courses usually have the first year in common which means that there is always the option to delay your decision (if your as indecisive as me)!!! For Software Engineering courses, I liked the look of Newcastle and Manchester because they seemed to be much more in depth than the other software engineering courses on offer!!!

I think that we computer scientists are quite fortunate in that the course is one that MANY uni's have taken the time to perfect, so that there is a greater variety of choice for those looking for a high quality course!!!
Relatively sound advice, though you'll find that some universities' syllabuses contain more than others. In general, the best way to decide which university to go to is to find the one with the highest entry requirements. Though I'd recommend the universities you suggest, it depends on what the person is going to get for `A' levels, why they want to do the course, etc. I'd steer clear of pure software engineering courses because, actually, there's not very much to teach there beyond programming in a plethora of similar languages. You should be able to get all the software engineering you need from a good quality computer science / computing course. Actually, I'd also argue against York being in the top 3; I'd go for Cam., Imperial, Warwick.
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Actually, I'd also argue against York being in the top 3; I'd go for Cam., Imperial, Warwick.
I agree. I think the 'big 3'(as someone called them) are cam, imp and warwick. Although seriously, i doubt there is that big of a gap between warwick and york in terms of department, is there?
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No, Warwick and York are of similar stature. The main factor is probably that York's "up North", so it goes a bit unnoticed. The more important distinction is "big two".
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Sorry for my use of the whole "big 3" thing. I only used those term as a kind of summing up if what people had already suggested... I think that if you want to rank the uni's then I would group them as follows...

1) Cambridge, Imperial
2) Oxford, York, Manchester
3) Warwick, Notts
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(Original post by Leekey)
1) Cambridge, Imperial
2) Oxford, York, Manchester
3) Warwick, Notts
Oxford, pah. Swap it with Warwick.
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Sorry for my use of the whole "big 3" thing. I only used those term as a kind of summing up if what people had already suggested... I think that if you want to rank the uni's then I would group them as follows...

1) Cambridge, Imperial
2) Oxford, York, Manchester
3) Warwick, Notts
Hmm...well Oxford isn't really known for its Comp Sci, whereas Warwick is so I'd at least promote Warwick to level 2), and possibly relegate oxford, but then again employers will always like oxford, whatever the course, so I spose you could keep it there if you want.
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Hmm...well Oxford isn't really known for its Comp Sci, whereas Warwick is so I'd at least promote Warwick to level 2), and possibly relegate oxford, but then again employers will always like oxford, whatever the course, so I spose you could keep it there if you want.
Of course, but with that criterion Oxford would be in league (1). In terms of the quality and reputation of its undergraduate course, it can only be in (3). I'd also rather demote Manchester to (3).
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How much weight do employers place on an undergrad course or department in a uni compraed to overall rep of uni? For example if 2 people, with 2:1s applied for one position, and had pretty much same credentials (v unlikely i know) apart from the university attended and one was from imp and one from ox, who would the employers be more likely to choose? I suppose it depends on the actual job, but anyways, any ideas?

Higly subjective yes, but would be interesting to hear opinions on how much value is placed on department rep + undergrad course quality, vs overall uni rep.
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How much weight do employers place on an undergrad course or department in a uni compraed to overall rep of uni? For example if 2 people, with 2:1s applied for one position, and had pretty much same credentials (v unlikely i know) apart from the university attended and one was from imp and one from ox, who would the employers be more likely to choose? I suppose it depends on the actual job, but anyways, any ideas?

Higly subjective yes, but would be interesting to hear opinions on how much value is placed on department rep + undergrad course quality, vs overall uni rep.
I think that in that case, it would definitely depend on the subject of the degree. For computing / copmp sci I think that because the degree is somewhat specialised, the department and course quality would count for more than overall reputation of the place. I know an Oxford degree is highly valued but in the field of computing I would be forced to pick Imperial every time!!! This also assumes that the people are "equal" in terms of character and personality in the employers eyes because that would in itslef surely be a huge factor in any decision!!!
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Good point. I don't think that your choice of Imperial for comparison, though, is worthwhile, particularly for computing. If you were to say somewhere where there is greater distinction between the overall colleges / universities, e.g., Warwick and Oxford, then I guess that the Oxford graduate would get the job.
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Good point. I don't think that your choice of Imperial for comparison, though, is worthwhile, particularly for computing. If you were to say somewhere where there is greater distinction between the overall colleges / universities, e.g., Warwick and Oxford, then I guess that the Oxford graduate would get the job.
yeah true, seeing as imperial is on the highest level here, i was trying to choose something on level 1 vs oxford, and well there are only 2 lol. Plus wanted to know those 2 compared for personal reasons (provided i meet offer i will be at imp next yr 4 comp). btw i wonder why the course is called 'computing' not 'computer sciences'?
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I think that in that case, it would definitely depend on the subject of the degree. For computing / copmp sci I think that because the degree is somewhat specialised, the department and course quality would count for more than overall reputation of the place. I know an Oxford degree is highly valued but in the field of computing I would be forced to pick Imperial every time!!! This also assumes that the people are "equal" in terms of character and personality in the employers eyes because that would in itslef surely be a huge factor in any decision!!!
Yep you're right , and you're never going to have 2 people with exactly the same character.
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yeah true, seeing as imperial is on the highest level here, i was trying to choose something on level 1 vs oxford, and well there are only 2 lol. Plus wanted to know those 2 compared for personal reasons (provided i meet offer i will be at imp next yr 4 comp). btw i wonder why the course is called 'computing' not 'computer sciences'?
Great... You should really enjoy the course, especially the third and fourth years (assuming you take the MEng rather than BEng). Are you trying to decide between Oxford and Imperial? If so, you should also compare the university and the college; Oxford has a lot going for it (e.g., halls for the whole course). However, the course would be something of a compromise if you were to choose Oxford.

It's quite important the the course is called Computing and not Computer Science. Computing is taught (technically) at Imperial as an engineering course. This results in little practical difference in terms of teaching other than a slight bias against compulsory abstract theory (it's only optional). The significant difference is in funding (hence the shiny new machines), and that you get an MEng / BEng degree rather than a BSc or MSci. However, most 4-year courses are now MEngs. Basically, don't pay any attention to it. As an aside, a few years ago Oxford used to call itself "Computation" --- this really put me off the place, but Imperial being computing shouldn't you.
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Great... You should really enjoy the course, especially the third and fourth years (assuming you take the MEng rather than BEng). Are you trying to decide between Oxford and Imperial? If so, you should also compare the university and the college; Oxford has a lot going for it (e.g., halls for the whole course). However, the course would be something of a compromise if you were to choose Oxford.

It's quite important the the course is called Computing and not Computer Science. Computing is taught (technically) at Imperial as an engineering course. This results in little practical difference in terms of teaching other than a slight bias against compulsory abstract theory (it's only optional). The significant difference is in funding (hence the shiny new machines), and that you get an MEng / BEng degree rather than a BSc or MSci. However, most 4-year courses are now MEngs. Basically, don't pay any attention to it. As an aside, a few years ago Oxford used to call itself "Computation" --- this really put me off the place, but Imperial being computing shouldn't you.
No I didn't try for Oxbridge(for personal reasons which i'm too lazy to go into) and I've accepted imperial as my firm offer. But an "acquaintance" of mine continually insists that just because she's at Oxford (doing chem i think) she'll have way higher prospects, regardless of the course quality, so i was just wondering about this.
Thanks for the info though , esp why it is caleld computing not comp sci, that did make me wonder alot. I applied for the MEng course but I've not really decided if I'll stay on the MEng, switch to BEng(I thought it was BCo?? im probably talking crap here) or do a MEng like Computational Management. If I did the BEng I'd try and do a MSci in Finance afterwards, apparently the Tanaka Business school, with the cool new building i saw when i went for i-view does a really good one. Just options , I'll see how it goes . Love the experience in industry part you get with MEng though...
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No I didn't try for Oxbridge(for personal reasons which i'm too lazy to go into) and I've excepted imperial as my firm offer. But an "acquaintance" of mine continually insists that just because she's at Oxford (doing chem i think) she'll have way higher prospects, regardless of the course quality, so i was just wondering about this.
Thanks for the info though , esp why it is caleld computing not comp sci, that did make me wonder alot. I applied for the MEng course but I've not really decided if I'll stay on the MEng, switch to BEng(I thought it was BCo?? im probably talking crap here) or do a MEng like Computational Management. If I did the BEng I'd try and do a MSci in Finance afterwards, apparently the Tanaka Business school, with the cool new building i saw when i went for i-view does a really good one. Just options , I'll see how it goes . Love the experience in industry part you get with MEng though...
Well, in some fields it might be true that a degree from Oxford counts for more. But in applying for a job in anything related to computing, I think that the two degrees should be seen as roughly equal.

There's no such thing as BCo or BComp. Perhaps you're thinking of MMath? The degree titles are dictated by the University of London (you'll know that this is the degree-awarding body for Imperial, though maybe not for so long...). Of course, you can write (as I might):
Mr. X Y MEng Comp. (Lon.) ACGI
or BEng (Lon.). I've heard that if you go to a university prestigious enough to suffix the university name (i.e., Oxon, Cantab, Lon and a few others), you don't include the (Hons.) part. Amusing. The ACGI just indicates that you went to (roughly) the engineering faculty of Imperial. It relates to the City and Guilds College, one of the colleges that made up what is Imperial today, and shows that you didn't go anwhere as naff as UCL Naturally, though, when I have my PhD or DPhil, I'll have even more (if I were to stay at Imperial, I'dd append "Ph.D. DIC").

Computational Management is dull and should be avoided at all costs. It's for people who are either bored of computing or who want to work in the City. Also, "The Business School, Imperial College" is only going to be called "The Tankya Business School" when the new building opens. You're very right about the industry part. Providing you're competent and enthusiastic it isn't too difficult to find a place (though if you don't, you end up being forced onto the BEng degree --- nobody has ever been yet, though, but it nearly happened this year); it provides excellent experience and is very enjoyable [if you're lucky and don't go to a bank!]
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Given the choice between the two, most people choose Cambridge. My feeling is that this isn't based on the course, but more on the benefits of Cambridge (name, college life, accommodation etc.)
That's true to an extent with me, I didn't even bother applying to Imperial because I didn't want to live in London mainly, but also because at the time cambridge was the only place doing a general computer security course. I've just checked the Imp lecture courses and they seem to have 'Network security' in the 4th year but it doesn't seem to cover that much in the broader sense that I'm interested in. The bonus of doing extra Physics in the first year also appealed more than just doing pure unadulterated compsci.
Cambridge isn't just algorithms and logic though, there's a lot to do with computer architecture, VLSI design, ECAD, electronics, structured hardware design, operating systems, concurrent systems et cetera et cetera.

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I've heard that if you go to a university prestigious enough to suffix the university name (i.e., Oxon, Cantab, Lon and a few others), you don't include the (Hons.) part. Amusing.
You can include it, but it's irrelevant at Cambridge because they don't award non-honours degrees.

I'm going to get a BA in compsci anyhow... crazy.

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You can include it, but it's irrelevant at Cambridge because they don't award non-honours degrees.

I'm going to get a BA in compsci anyhow... crazy.

Alaric.
Does anywhere award non-honours degrees nowadays?
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The bonus of doing extra Physics in the first year also appealed more than just doing pure unadulterated compsci.

One of the things that seriously put me off Cambridge lol. I don't see why you don't just do pure Comp Sci in the 1st year there, seems silly to waste time on physics or another nat sci option. Hmm as you can see I'm not really a fan of physics...

(Original post by Dogtanian)
Computational Management is dull and should be avoided at all costs. It's for people who are either bored of computing or who want to work in the City. Also, "The Business School, Imperial College" is only going to be called "The Tankya Business School" when the new building opens. You're very right about the industry part. Providing you're competent and enthusiastic it isn't too difficult to find a place (though if you don't, you end up being forced onto the BEng degree --- nobody has ever been yet, though, but it nearly happened this year); it provides excellent experience and is very enjoyable [if you're lucky and don't go to a bank!]
What's wrong with working in a Bank, in the city? I find the idea quite attractive!

Hmm better not show my mate what you said about UCL, she's trying to convince herself that UCL is better than Cambs after being rejecting from Cambs :rolleyes:
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