PGCE - but no Maths GCSE Watch

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Julia Jane
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Hello

Has anyone succeeded with an application onto a PGCE course without maths GCSE? I have a History of Art 2:1 and History of Art Post Grad Foundation Certificate. I am an artist and art teacher. I think I have most requirements but maths really is not my strong point - do they offer a test? And does the Maths requirement apply for Post-compulsory sector PGCE?

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They ask for a B grade in maths, well this is what my teacher told me.
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Certainly for primary and secondary teacher training, Maths, English and science GCSEs are compulsory requirements from the government, and I can't imagine it would be different for post-compulsory I'm afraid. Plus you also have to pass the QTS skills tests in literacy, numeracy and ICT before you can qualify
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I have a friend who has been given a conditional offer to do the PGCE primary in Scotland - the condition is that he has to pass his maths GCSE
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GCSE Maths C or above is compulsory. If you are taking classes/entering yourself into the GCSE exams then you may be able to apply if you say this in your statement - the offer will be conditional on you passing the GCSE Maths. If you wish to teach primary, a C in science will also be essential. Good luck!
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You need the C grade in maths GCSE before you'll be allowed on the course. Also if maths is that much of an issue for you, you may really struggle with the numeracy QTS test you have to pass. There's a practice test on the TDA website
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No wonder the UK has a problem recruiting teachers with an obsession about Maths.Draconian Law from which century?.I see little reason why an English Language, Art, History, IT, MEDIA etc graduate or anyone else who will NOT be studying a PGCE to teach Maths(ever) should REQUIRE this Mandatory qualification .

As the UK is desperate for teachers, they should be astute enough to realise the reason.
The solution is to scrap this policy altogether. House of Commons/Parliament are you listening?
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Maths and English GCSE C grade or above is required by law to enter teacher training. It is just about the only qualification that is non-negotiated. Makes sense when the English and Maths tests are GCSE level and English and Maths are cross circular in all subjects.
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(Original post by Lee LIM)
No wonder the UK has a problem recruiting teachers with an obsession about Maths.Draconian Law from which century?.I see little reason why an English Language, Art, History, IT, MEDIA etc graduate or anyone else who will NOT be studying a PGCE to teach Maths(ever) should REQUIRE this Mandatory qualification .

As the UK is desperate for teachers, they should be astute enough to realise the reason.
The solution is to scrap this policy altogether. House of Commons/Parliament are you listening?
I don't agree with you at all.

Of course teachers should have at least a grade C in maths and English.
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(Original post by Lee LIM)
No wonder the UK has a problem recruiting teachers with an obsession about Maths.Draconian Law from which century?.I see little reason why an English Language, Art, History, IT, MEDIA etc graduate or anyone else who will NOT be studying a PGCE to teach Maths(ever) should REQUIRE this Mandatory qualification .

As the UK is desperate for teachers, they should be astute enough to realise the reason.
The solution is to scrap this policy altogether. House of Commons/Parliament are you listening?
It's not just teaching that requires a C in GCSE maths and English. Most graduate careers have this requirement - they want to see that you have basic literacy and numeracy skills.

In the most recent Edexcel maths exams you only needed 17% to get a standard pass (grade 4 which is the equivalent of a low C).
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I don't agree with you at all.

Of course teachers should have at least a grade C in maths and English.

Explain why? They would NOT be teaching Maths,remember.
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(Original post by Lee LIM)
Explain why? They would NOT be teaching Maths,remember.
Getting a Grade C in Maths GCSE isn't that hard and gives you a good foundation in maths.

Even though you wouldn't be teaching maths there may be times when you need to be able to do basic maths in your role as a teacher.

Also most universities require a grade C in maths to study for a degree so the number of people who have a degree but not a grade C in maths is probably not that many.

If you want to be a teacher that badly perhaps you should put as much effort into meeting all of the requirements as you do into arguing about why they shouldn't exist.
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(Original post by Sarah1979)
Getting a Grade C in Maths GCSE isn't that hard and gives you a good foundation in maths.

Even though you wouldn't be teaching maths there may be times when you need to be able to do basic maths in your role as a teacher.

Also most universities require a grade C in maths to study for a degree so the number of people who have a degree but not a grade C in maths is probably not that many.

If you want to be a teacher that badly perhaps you should put as much effort into meeting all of the requirements as you do into arguing about why they shouldn't exist.


No, I am putting my efforts into trying to get a decent and LOGICAL answer as to WHY maths is required when one would NOT be teaching it ever. So far there has not been sufficient or adequate answers. Just because that is the way the system IS, is simply not common sense.



Never mind, obviously this topic is falling on deaf ears. I think maybe other media forums and channels will be more productive.
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(Original post by Sarah1979)
Getting a Grade C in Maths GCSE isn't that hard and gives you a good foundation in maths.

Even though you wouldn't be teaching maths there may be times when you need to be able to do basic maths in your role as a teacher.

Also most universities require a grade C in maths to study for a degree so the number of people who have a degree but not a grade C in maths is probably not that many.

If you want to be a teacher that badly perhaps you should put as much effort into meeting all of the requirements as you do into arguing about why they shouldn't exist.


No, I am putting my efforts into trying to get a decent and LOGICAL answer as to WHY maths is required when one would NOT be teaching it ever. So far there has not been sufficient or adequate answers. Just because that is the way the system IS, is simply not common sense.

Never mind, obviously this topic is falling on deaf ears. I think maybe other media forums and channels will be more productive.
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(Original post by Lee LIM)
No, I am putting my efforts into trying to get a decent and LOGICAL answer as to WHY maths is required when one would NOT be teaching it ever. So far there has not been sufficient or adequate answers. Just because that is the way the system IS, is simply not common sense.

Never mind, obviously this topic is falling on deaf ears. I think maybe other media forums and channels will be more productive.
For whatever reason maths is required.

Instead of whinging and moaning, why don't you just accept it?

Do you really think that the whole system is going to be changed just for you?
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