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He promises to rid the internet of spam email by 2006 - unrealistic perhaps but do you reckon he has the power and ingenuity to do it?
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No, i think as with all security things of that type, it will only be a matter of time before somebody sees a way around it
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he's assuming spammers will use microsoft products.


a mega giga tera *rollseyes* to that! ha!
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He promises to rid the internet of spam email by 2006 - unrealistic perhaps but do you reckon he has the power and ingenuity to do it?
i think it is impossible to get rid of it...............sumone will find another way
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I really hope so, ive had 525 emails to my freeserve account since Jan 12th. Most of them are trying to sell me viagra
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He already has for me, when I had outlook 2002 I had a ton of spam, but now I've got outlook 2003, I don't get any, the junk filter is really good.
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that claim is like ppl claiming to eradicate terrorism...never going to happen....
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He already has for me, when I had outlook 2002 I had a ton of spam, but now I've got outlook 2003, I don't get any, the junk filter is really good.
outlook is terrible when it comes to viruses.

I dont see how Gates can realistically expect to stop spam. Sure, MS is powerful, but they dont control the whole internet, or the people who use it. And *no* computer program will accurately filter all spam all the time, without good AI.
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I really hope so, ive had 525 emails to my freeserve account since Jan 12th. Most of them are trying to sell me viagra
I got those for a while, then it was the penis enlarger ones :confused: followed by fake degrees. Currently I'm getting them from exiled African princes wanting somewhere to deposit millions of quid. I use hotmail, and I only get one or two a day, so the filter's not too bad.
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outlook is terrible when it comes to viruses.

I dont see how Gates can realistically expect to stop spam. Sure, MS is powerful, but they dont control the whole internet, or the people who use it. And *no* computer program will accurately filter all spam all the time, without good AI.
Viruses are not outlooks problem, that's for the anti-virus software.
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(Original post by fred0202)
Viruses are not outlooks problem, that's for the anti-virus software.
When you can have automatic worm propagation without user input it very much is the fault of the email software. It should not have been designed to allow that to occur.

What I'm concerned about is that the 'trusted computing' [TC] initative is going to be 'justified' by the proliferation of viruses and spam. 'TC' is anti-competitive and only acts in the interests of large multinational corporations. The main elements of 'TC' are due for introduction in the next Windows version (codename Longhorn) which is currently expected in 2006. I hope that isn't a coincidence.

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when you get these kinds of junk e-mail, never open them, evem if they don't contain viruses. The new ones have a cunning systme, where, when someone opens the e-mail, the e-mail contains a script that tells the 'sending' system that thie-mail address is used, and the they keep on sending em. whereas, if you don't open it, the sending system thinks that the e-mail address isnot used and stops sending. After all, the sending systme would work much more efficiently if it didn't send e-mails to unused ones.
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(Original post by SasunD)
when you get these kinds of junk e-mail, never open them, evem if they don't contain viruses. The new ones have a cunning systme, where, when someone opens the e-mail, the e-mail contains a script that tells the 'sending' system that thie-mail address is used, and the they keep on sending em. whereas, if you don't open it, the sending system thinks that the e-mail address isnot used and stops sending. After all, the sending systme would work much more efficiently if it didn't send e-mails to unused ones.
or more amazingly, the emails have links to an image hosted on a server. When you download the image, you confirm your email adress.
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Viruses are not outlooks problem, that's for the anti-virus software.
yes, but outlook deals with attatchments very badly.
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All of this "Trustworthy Computing" **** is going to be hard-wired into PC motherboards if Microsoft get their way. I hope they don't.

It'll be a simple choice: Be "trusted" and only use Microsoft or Microsoft recommended products (like Partition Magic, which has Microsoft's approved badge on). And have all your stuff entirely secure and only get e-mail from other trusted people.

Or not enable this and be able to use whatever you want, except for Microsoft software which will require it all. And Open-Source and all developers not working for huge corporations will be kicked out and have to pay Microsoft to let them in with the secure people.

Or something like that. :confused:
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All of this "Trustworthy Computing" **** is going to be hard-wired into PC motherboards if Microsoft get their way. I hope they don't.
I have a feeling that any *decent* motherboard manufacturers that listens to its customers wouldnt do this, eg Abit.

And didnt those plans fall by the wayside? I havent heard anything about hardware stuff for ages. Although I think Longhorn will have DRM
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If you know what your doing spam dosn't have to be problem. A good way to avoid it is to avoid lycos, MSN etc. I am with FTML.net which has really good built in spam stuff and works really well.

Also setup another account and sign up to all forums, websites using that, then it dosn't matter if they decide to sell your email address.

Bill Gates talks crap though, he said in 1995 that the Wolrd Wide Web is just hype and won't amount too much. In 1996 frustrated thatthe www is taking off and Mosiac and Netscape are the main stream programs for using the www on he makes I.E
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I have a feeling that any *decent* motherboard manufacturers that listens to its customers wouldnt do this, eg Abit.

And didnt those plans fall by the wayside? I havent heard anything about hardware stuff for ages. Although I think Longhorn will have DRM
Err they won't have any business if the processor manufacturers in the TCPA don't let their processors work in non-'protected' motherboards (TCPA = Intel, IBM, HP, Microsoft, AMD).

Anyone wanting more info should read Ross Anderson's 'trusted' computing FAQ : http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html .

Of course the irony is that 'trusted' usually means a system that can break the security of the system and a 'trustworthy' is one that won't. The TCPA aren't very uniform on their naming and it rather does give away who they're really wanting the systems to be 'safe' for.

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