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    On Thursday evening, i attended Gordon Brown's presentation in Manchester, in unison with Oxfam - it was a lobby...a presentation on making poverty history and so forth..

    However, i just feel it is so perverse this time of the year. Last night we had
    "Children In Need", giving money etc, then we have this long stretch of xmas consumerism, where many people go crazy, greedy and play with money as though its going out of fashion and that it does actually grow on trees, maybe it does for us wealthier people.

    It's rather odd that people do donate but can also spend ridiculous sums of money in this money spinner that is xmas - i think its hypocritical really...buying too much...fulfilling ridiculous number of wants in terms of presents for people, those same presents will be up on ebay within a week or so post xmas day...

    This is the equivalent of say, buying a Nike fleece, good chances are it was made in factory whereby conditions, pay and so forth, are horrendous and inhumane....but then donating to Oxfam to help the poorest of the world. I just think the acts of simultaneously giving increasing amounts of money to charity but also spending ridiculous sums of money in the festive period....its rather peculiar...i just wish some were less greedy, ok you have these media assaults to help engineer the process of people departing with their money...but at the end of it, people can be very stupid, they are rational beings and they choose to spend money at xmas, they can always cut down....its just a sorry shame that people can spend so much at xmas, which completely demeans what xmas is really all about, and also devalues the experience of getting something you really actually need...i understand people have wants in life...but there seems to be too much wanting, and at the end of it, no sooner had someone received that present, recycling has occured and something replaces that particular present, i.e. been given away as a present to someone else, sold on ebay to raise money for someone to buy again...too much frequency of fulfillment of greedy wants.

    Sorry if im waffling and make little sense but i think theres a message in all of this.
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    Possessions are wrong!

    SAVE THE WORLD!




    ...hippy. :rolleyes:
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    I don't understand what's wrong with buying presents at Christmas time - it gives little children something to genuinely look forward to (and let's not kid ourselves, at that age most of them truly do not give a sh*t about giving) and although you might say commercialisation of Christmas is a bad thing, it is a necessary evil. It's the one time of the year when almost the entire country will be out there shopping, and (I believe) most shops make most of their revenue around Christmas time. If Christmas wasn't commercialised as such, we'd have to find another day of the year to commercialise instead, or the shops would start failing and the economy would be damaged. It's up to each individual family to retain their own Christmas traditions if they want (and if not, to scrap it altogether), and despite the apparent commercialisation of Christmas I think the Christmas spirit is still going strong and you still get a great sense of the 'festivity'.
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    Absolutely, 'festivity' isnt lost - its just becoming increasingly revolved around ever heightening consumerism...i think xmas holds different meanings for different people.

    I'm not advocating, "stop spending because its greedy", but rather "there comes a point when...." - if people knew their limits, or could have the conditions there to make it easier to adhere to them, things would be more sound/easier. I was a greedy little shít as a kid, but thats only when i thought santa claus existed..in which case, i listed a new pc, football boots, tv, et al, on my 'wish list'....you know, some parents must seriously hate 'father christmas'!

    for if it wasn't for father xmas and continuing the tradition of him and his existence, parents would not have nearly so much pressure to go out and spend money on purchasing presents from christmas wish lists!......

    Long live father xmas nevertheless....but people shouldn't be so greedy, more so, they shouldn't feel consumed by this ridiculous urge to buy everything for everyone.....
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    Please stop saying that word, you're offending our muslim community. Its called 'Winterval'.
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    (Original post by cosmik_debris)
    Please stop saying that word, you're offending our muslim community. Its called 'Winterval'.
    No, no - Winterfest!

    :rofl:
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    (Original post by cosmik_debris)
    Please stop saying that word, you're offending our muslim community. Its called 'Winterval'.
    Oh, yes that ever popular winterval...

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    (Original post by Chicken foot)
    No, no - Winterfest!

    :rofl:
    Really? Winterval sounds better.
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    (Original post by cosmik_debris)
    Please stop saying that word, you're offending our muslim community. Its called 'Winterval'.
    Find one Muslim that is offended by the term "Christmas" and I'll eat my head.
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    I have to say, winterfest sound like more fun, but I'm used to Christmas.

    Is it getting that close?

    #Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way...
    Oh what fun it to ride on a one-horse open sleigh- hey!..#
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    Or the good old:

    "I'm dreaming of a White Christmas..."
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    #Walking in a winter wonderland...#

    This has just become the top ten christmas song thread, hasn't it?
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    (Original post by Chicken foot)
    Or the good old:

    "I'm dreaming of a White Christmas..."
    Ha, you don't even have to have a grasp of semiotics to understand the reason why you used that song.
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    I know, but I ignored that entirely.
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    It went totally over ayaan's head though
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    (Original post by Jacques Derrida)
    Find one Muslim that is offended by the term "Christmas" and I'll eat my head.
    Yeah - I believe it just a deliberate attempt on the part of white supremicists to whip up 'anti' fervour against people of different faiths that don't celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ.

    Nasty pieces of work!
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    (Original post by yawn)
    Yeah - I believe it just a deliberate attempt on the part of white supremicists to whip up 'anti' fervour against people of different faiths that don't celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ.
    You know that city councils suggest it, right?

    And all city councillors = white supremacists...?
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    (Original post by Chicken foot)
    You know that city councils suggest it, right?

    And all city councillors = white supremacists...?
    Why do you think they suggest it, when those who are supposed to be offended claim that they are not?

    What motive would city councillors have for doing it? Perhaps they are not agitating an already delicate relationship, but rather just trying to take Christmas away from Christ?

    What's your opinion?
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    No, some have claimed they're not offended, whereas some of the more troublesome people haven't really said anything.

    Perhaps they all just lack anykind of backbone at all?

    They are just trying to take Christmas away from Christ - just like that new idea to stop spelling Christ with a capital C. :mad:
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    If I spend money on christmas presents that money will go to people in shops, that money will be spent on workers wages, and given to PR and advertising people. Those people will spend that money too on their xmas presents. It will keep going around in circles. Eventually someody will give it to charity and so a poor person ends up with it. All it takes is one of those people giving the money to the poor people, for them to get their hands on it. It doesn't have to be me. In fact, it makes more sense then to spend the money lots of times as quickly as possible to get as much use as we can out of it before it goes to charity and they spend it on something they need. That's efficiency that is.
    My logic is fool proof.
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    After working at a major retailers last christmas, i get a repulsive feeling as soon as the winter draws in and the advertising begins. When I see adverts on TV from October onwards I just think of all these rich, clueless PR guys in suits sitting around a table deciding how they will milk parents this year. I realise I'm cynical, and this stuff hapens all year round, but it all feels like a sick joke. I am not at all religious and couldn't give a stuff what the commercial christmas takes away from chrisitianity, but I hate how the corporations try and make me feel all special for a few months every year for no good reason. Hell, I'd prefer evangelicals coming into my living room 20 times a day to tell me how wonderful Christ is, at least their intentions are pure.

    So while I understand that business is business, I'd prefer if christmas wasn't so in your face, making it feel so rehearsed every year. I'd like to see commercials that say "yeah, we celebrate each year for the sake of celebrating, you might want to look at our product/ service as its pretty good" rather than "WOO ITS CHRISTMAS ITS SO MAGIC BUY OUR FANTASTIC CRAP OR YOU'LL DIE MISERABLE".
 
 
 
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