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Original post by anyone_can_fly
Quick, hide! We should leave this thread and start up another cunningly disguised as one they'll never look at. I suggest "Brunei University Module H435 FAQs!". They'll never guess!
Quick, hide! We should leave this thread and start up another cunningly disguised as one they'll never look at. I suggest "Brunei University Module H435 FAQs!". They'll never guess!Ohhh that made me giggle! Let's rename ASAP
Original post by anyone_can_fly
For these Scottish things, it's incomprehensible. In Scotland, the norm is 4/5 Highers in equivalent-of-year-12, then if you want to go to England you'll probably do 2 or 3 Advanced Highers in equivalent-of-year-13. Manchester has 2 separate sets of entry requirements:
Advanced Highers - AAB, which is the same as Oxford, and much higher than you'd expect.
or Highers: "AAAAB which must include Advanced Highers in Mathematics at grade A." How can your highers include advanced highers?
Whereas York asks for AB at advanced highers, which is nice of them. I think the two universities are at a similar level for maths.
Advanced Highers - AAB, which is the same as Oxford, and much higher than you'd expect.
or Highers: "AAAAB which must include Advanced Highers in Mathematics at grade A." How can your highers include advanced highers?
Whereas York asks for AB at advanced highers, which is nice of them. I think the two universities are at a similar level for maths.
I think it means AAAAB in highers, which can include maths, plus advanced higher in maths
Original post by anyone_can_fly
That sounds awesome, congratulations!
But with the higher fees, they have to pay the university £9,000 which technically we'll pay them at some point in the future. Without higher fees they have to pay the university slightly less, and then we pay them back for less than half of that. But a lot of people will never pay their loans back anyway. The education budget's staying the same, but the reason they're in such a flap at the moment is that they weren't reckoning on everyone charging £9,000, and they don't have enough money for everyone to do that.
But with the higher fees, they have to pay the university £9,000 which technically we'll pay them at some point in the future. Without higher fees they have to pay the university slightly less, and then we pay them back for less than half of that. But a lot of people will never pay their loans back anyway. The education budget's staying the same, but the reason they're in such a flap at the moment is that they weren't reckoning on everyone charging £9,000, and they don't have enough money for everyone to do that.
The fees go to the government, not the university btw.
And the government isn't paying out more or less than before. Its the SAME. how many times must I re-iterate this. It's just a matter of where the money for teaching grants is coming from, on paper, legally its the student's burden rather than the government.
Basically before:
Cost per student: £16,000
Student pays £3275
Government pays subsidy/the rest of: £12,725
Now:
cost per student: still £16,000 ignoring inflation
Student pays: £9000 or less
Government subsidy: £7000
Students in both cases borrow from the government for the fees if they cant afford to pay anyway.
SO IN BOTH CASES the government STILL PAYS 16000 per student. And there is never a question of "enough money" for the government, they can theoretically borrow as much as they want.
And they're not really in a flap. They don't want everyone to charge 9000 because it's a politically damaging move and it will hurt them seriously in the next election, and they fact that they promised 9000 was the "exception", not because they can't afford to do it.
Warwick, Durham, St.Andrews and ? And Trinity College in Dublin. 
Original post by such_a_lady
St Andrew's. Every time I tell someone I'm applying there, they're like "Ohhh you'll never get in, they're so biased towards Scottish students!" Also applying to Edinburgh, Durham and Bath. These are all provisional, though, I'm checking out UCL and KCL in the next two weeks and therefore might change my mind.
What are the other choices of everyone else here?
What are the other choices of everyone else here?
Original post by dnumberwang
I think it means AAAAB in highers, which can include maths, plus advanced higher in maths
Ahhh that would make sense.
Yay, for me that's hopefully an unconditional! Maybe I'll have a look at Manchester.Original post by Brand New Eyes
The fees go to the government, not the university btw.
And the government isn't paying out more or less than before. Its the SAME. how many times must I re-iterate this. It's just a matter of where the money for teaching grants is coming from, on paper, legally its the student's burden rather than the government.
Basically before:
Cost per student: £16,000
Student pays £3275
Government pays subsidy/the rest of: £12,725
Now:
cost per student: still £16,000 ignoring inflation
Student pays: £9000 or less
Government subsidy: £7000
Students in both cases borrow from the government for the fees if they cant afford to pay anyway.
SO IN BOTH CASES the government STILL PAYS 16000 per student. And there is never a question of "enough money" for the government, they can theoretically borrow as much as they want.
And they're not really in a flap. They don't want everyone to charge 9000 because it's a politically damaging move and it will hurt them seriously in the next election, and they fact that they promised 9000 was the "exception", not because they can't afford to do it.
And the government isn't paying out more or less than before. Its the SAME. how many times must I re-iterate this. It's just a matter of where the money for teaching grants is coming from, on paper, legally its the student's burden rather than the government.
Basically before:
Cost per student: £16,000
Student pays £3275
Government pays subsidy/the rest of: £12,725
Now:
cost per student: still £16,000 ignoring inflation
Student pays: £9000 or less
Government subsidy: £7000
Students in both cases borrow from the government for the fees if they cant afford to pay anyway.
SO IN BOTH CASES the government STILL PAYS 16000 per student. And there is never a question of "enough money" for the government, they can theoretically borrow as much as they want.
And they're not really in a flap. They don't want everyone to charge 9000 because it's a politically damaging move and it will hurt them seriously in the next election, and they fact that they promised 9000 was the "exception", not because they can't afford to do it.
But the cost per student isn't £16,000. If the average fee was going to be £7500 it would be the same, as it is it's £1,500 per student more.
good idea!Original post by anyone_can_fly
Quick, hide! We should leave this thread and start up another cunningly disguised as one they'll never look at. I suggest "Brunei University Module H435 FAQs!". They'll never guess!
Quick, hide! We should leave this thread and start up another cunningly disguised as one they'll never look at. I suggest "Brunei University Module H435 FAQs!". They'll never guess!The Fifth Choice.
It's really hard to find a nice fifth choice! At first I also thought York would be my fifth choice, but then I visited it and now I know I really don't want to use my Fifth Choice for that. I just don't like the campus. Original post by anyone_can_fly
Probably Bristol, Imperial, St. Andrews, and The Fifth Choice. The Fifth Choice is a bit wobbly. It could be York - lovely city, very kind Scottish offer, reasonably good - but I'd prefer a non-campus. At one point I was thinking UCL (not as a fifth choice per se, but as the other one I'd apply to) but that would make 4 high-risk ones. I guess I'm really looking for a less competitive and high-achieving version of Oxford
. It's very hard to find.
Probably Bristol, Imperial, St. Andrews, and The Fifth Choice. The Fifth Choice is a bit wobbly. It could be York - lovely city, very kind Scottish offer, reasonably good - but I'd prefer a non-campus. At one point I was thinking UCL (not as a fifth choice per se, but as the other one I'd apply to) but that would make 4 high-risk ones. I guess I'm really looking for a less competitive and high-achieving version of Oxford
. It's very hard to find.Original post by Phia7
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The Fifth Choice IS impossible, isn't it!? I'm extremely picky so I have to go somewhere pretty, hence no Warwick.
What didn't you like about York? For me it got edged out by Bath. I have all the prospecti still so I might have another look trhough and actually look at the courses this time rather than the buildings...
Slightly shocked that the Cantabrian thread has 102 pages :O
Original post by Brand New Eyes
And the government isn't paying out more or less than before. Its the SAME. how many times must I re-iterate this. It's just a matter of where the money for teaching grants is coming from, on paper, legally its the student's burden rather than the government.
Basically before:
Cost per student: £16,000
Student pays £3275
Government pays subsidy/the rest of: £12,725
Now:
cost per student: still £16,000 ignoring inflation
Student pays: £9000 or less
Government subsidy: £7000
Students in both cases borrow from the government for the fees if they cant afford to pay anyway.
SO IN BOTH CASES the government STILL PAYS 16000 per student.
Basically before:
Cost per student: £16,000
Student pays £3275
Government pays subsidy/the rest of: £12,725
Now:
cost per student: still £16,000 ignoring inflation
Student pays: £9000 or less
Government subsidy: £7000
Students in both cases borrow from the government for the fees if they cant afford to pay anyway.
SO IN BOTH CASES the government STILL PAYS 16000 per student.
I think you're wrong about that. I don't think we know the full details of changes to university budgets, all we know is: tuition fees are going up, teaching grants from the government are going down.
The amount the government is paying out clearly isn't fixed, else we wouldn't have a report from the Public Accounts Committee questioning the future funding plans.
Original post by Brand New Eyes
And there is never a question of "enough money" for the government, they can theoretically borrow as much as they want.
And they're not really in a flap. They don't want everyone to charge 9000 because it's a politically damaging move and it will hurt them seriously in the next election, and they fact that they promised 9000 was the "exception", not because they can't afford to do it.
And they're not really in a flap. They don't want everyone to charge 9000 because it's a politically damaging move and it will hurt them seriously in the next election, and they fact that they promised 9000 was the "exception", not because they can't afford to do it.
Original post by such_a_lady
Is it costing you a lot to apply from across the pond? x
I don't know what would someone consider 'a lot'. The prices range from 12 000 - 16 000 pounds/year. It's not bad as in Canada uni is 4 years long...
Original post by Phia7
The Fifth Choice. It's really hard to find a nice fifth choice! At first I also thought York would be my fifth choice, but then I visited it and now I know I really don't want to use my Fifth Choice for that. I just don't like the campus.
It's really hard to find a nice fifth choice! At first I also thought York would be my fifth choice, but then I visited it and now I know I really don't want to use my Fifth Choice for that. I just don't like the campus.I KNOW! Why is it so difficult... on one hand, I want to put down a really low risk uni, but I don't want to go there, so I don't want to waste the spot... so I have no idea what to pick. I want to pick something I'd go to if forced into it... haha
Original post by anyone_can_fly Quick, hide! We should leave this thread and start up another cunningly disguised as one they'll never look at. I suggest "Brunei University Module H435 FAQs!". They'll never guess!
Quick, hide! We should leave this thread and start up another cunningly disguised as one they'll never look at. I suggest "Brunei University Module H435 FAQs!". They'll never guess!YES. Do so now!
Original post by anyone_can_fly
But the cost per student isn't £16,000. If the average fee was going to be £7500 it would be the same, as it is it's £1,500 per student more.
But the cost per student isn't £16,000. If the average fee was going to be £7500 it would be the same, as it is it's £1,500 per student more.
*kill me now*
Yes it is, I don't think you realise that what WE as students pay for university isn't the real TOTAL cost, because the government pays for the rest of it. Note that international students pay around £13000 or higher for arts degrees, with medical degrees in excess of £25000 at certain institutions.
Don't really see where you're doing with the whole 7500 thing...? Irrelevant to the point
Warwick is pretty (at least the campus is) - it's just not old! But I know what you mean: old = pretty. Usually, it's the same with me but the open day made me make an exception...
The campus is so ugly and weirdly structured! I just didn't like it & and the atmosphere.
Sadly you can't do PPE at Bath, otherwise it would definitely Be my fifth choice. Such a nice (and old
) city!
What's Cantabrian? This: doesn't really make sense.
Edit: The Cambridge thread? Pfff... They simply have too much time! Or they are non-sleeping aliens....
Original post by such_a_lady
The Fifth Choice IS impossible, isn't it!? I'm extremely picky so I have to go somewhere pretty, hence no Warwick.
The campus is so ugly and weirdly structured! I just didn't like it & and the atmosphere.
Sadly you can't do PPE at Bath, otherwise it would definitely Be my fifth choice. Such a nice (and old
) city! Original post by such_a_lady
What didn't you like about York? For me it got edged out by Bath. I have all the prospecti still so I might have another look trhough and actually look at the courses this time rather than the buildings...
Slightly shocked that the Cantabrian thread has 102 pages :O
Slightly shocked that the Cantabrian thread has 102 pages :O
What's Cantabrian? This: doesn't really make sense.
Edit: The Cambridge thread? Pfff... They simply have too much time! Or they are non-sleeping aliens....
(edited 12 years ago)
Original post by Phia7
Are we going to stalk them too?
That or... release the spam dogs!
ETA: Their thread started four days earlier than ours... obviously that is the reason for the discrepancy. ^^ Case closed.
(edited 12 years ago)
Original post by fluteflute
I think you're wrong about that. I don't think we know the full details of changes to university budgets, all we know is: tuition fees are going up, teaching grants from the government are going down.
The amount the government is paying out clearly isn't fixed, else we wouldn't have a report from the Public Accounts Committee questioning the future funding plans.
True, except the government doesn't really want to increase the deficit...
The amount the government is paying out clearly isn't fixed, else we wouldn't have a report from the Public Accounts Committee questioning the future funding plans.
True, except the government doesn't really want to increase the deficit...
Indeed, and in part the higher fees are to fill the gap for teaching grants, but realistically universities cant just cut costs, without reducing quality/firing staff and if they maintain their current standards, the money has got to come from somewhere. And seeing as the government are automatically loaning students 9000 upfront, they will have to pay out the same per student, if not more (inflation etc).
I meant that the cost of university hasn't changed, which the govt. foots the bill for in practice.
On the second note,
Today's spending is tomorrows tax. Except tomorrow could be days, weeks, months, years, decades away and they (cameron etc) wont have to worry about it as their terms are already up.
The deficit is already increasing everyday, so... yeah. All these "deep cuts" are a mere scratch on the surface. About 0.69% I think (don't quote me) of the deficit, last time I read.
Original post by such_a_lady
The Fifth Choice IS impossible, isn't it!? I'm extremely picky so I have to go somewhere pretty, hence no Warwick.
What didn't you like about York? For me it got edged out by Bath. I have all the prospecti still so I might have another look trhough and actually look at the courses this time rather than the buildings...
Slightly shocked that the Cantabrian thread has 102 pages :O
What didn't you like about York? For me it got edged out by Bath. I have all the prospecti still so I might have another look trhough and actually look at the courses this time rather than the buildings...
Slightly shocked that the Cantabrian thread has 102 pages :O
What's Warwick like? I don't think it's gonna be one of my choices, but I still feel obliged to at least visit because of its reputation for my subject
Cantabria is a province of spain btw
The word you're looking for is cantabrigiadnumberwang
Cantabria is a province of spain btw The word you're looking for is cantabrigia
Cantabria is a province of spain btw
The word you're looking for is cantabrigiathis. hahaha
Original post by dnumberwang
What's Warwick like? I don't think it's gonna be one of my choices, but I still feel obliged to at least visit because of its reputation for my subject
Cantabria is a province of spain btw The word you're looking for is cantabrigia
Cantabria is a province of spain btw
The word you're looking for is cantabrigiaOriginal post by punctuation
this. hahaha
Okay, I feel fairly stupid now. I always see "Dr Wainscott, PhD, Cantab." or similar, therefore I never bothered looking it up. AAAANYWAY....
I haven't visited Warwick (I haven't visited ANYWHERE. Unis I've seen: Oxford, Surrey, Southampton. That's it.) but it seemed rather modern to me, and I'm being rather picky and insisting on old pretty buildings. It's meant to be amazing for maths though, as you said.
Original post by dreamgirl...
well im contemplating law aswell... but havent got a clue wat colleges im going to apply to.. there is too many :L from ireland so havent really an idea about the system yet but il check it out over summer... hopefully
! also i think i would be at a disadvantage because i havent done any work experience and im gone away for much of the summer so they'll prob rule me out! i had an interest in medicine and did that instead like last year but im still between two minds!
as a matter of interest wat colleges or you considering and do you yet wat area youd like to specialise in if you did law?! thanks
! also i think i would be at a disadvantage because i havent done any work experience and im gone away for much of the summer so they'll prob rule me out! i had an interest in medicine and did that instead like last year but im still between two minds! as a matter of interest wat colleges or you considering and do you yet wat area youd like to specialise in if you did law?! thanks
I've not really narrowed it down but I'd like one in the St Aldate's area. I'm from Cambridge so I'm used to the collegiate system. I've got a fair bit of work experience this summer. Yeah, I was going to be a midwife, but realised I wanted to aim higher with the grades I got and do something I'd enjoy alot more. I would like to be an advocate, but I know how hard it is to get to the bar! I'm very interested in family/matrimonial law and human rights as well. But I would like to work for the goverment...haven't quite made my mind up
Original post by such_a_lady
Okay, I feel fairly stupid now. I always see "Dr Wainscott, PhD, Cantab." or similar, therefore I never bothered looking it up. AAAANYWAY....
I haven't visited Warwick (I haven't visited ANYWHERE. Unis I've seen: Oxford, Surrey, Southampton. That's it.) but it seemed rather modern to me, and I'm being rather picky and insisting on old pretty buildings. It's meant to be amazing for maths though, as you said.
I haven't visited Warwick (I haven't visited ANYWHERE. Unis I've seen: Oxford, Surrey, Southampton. That's it.) but it seemed rather modern to me, and I'm being rather picky and insisting on old pretty buildings. It's meant to be amazing for maths though, as you said.
I heard Nottingham is really pretty, though I don't know about the university itself or how good their programs are. :|
Original post by such_a_lady
Okay, I feel fairly stupid now. I always see "Dr Wainscott, PhD, Cantab." or similar, therefore I never bothered looking it up. AAAANYWAY....
Hopefully we'll all be able to put "MA/MSc, Oxon." after our names in a few years' time - it's quite cool how the qualification system has an inbuilt focus on Oxbridge (and Trinity Dublin in this particular respect) in particular
Original post by dragonmeister
Hopefully we'll all be able to put "MA/MSc, Oxon." after our names in a few years' time - it's quite cool how the qualification system has an inbuilt focus on Oxbridge (and Trinity Dublin in this particular respect) in particular
Oh really? I didn't even know this! Well, bonus.
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