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I have read 1984, and I can see some of the situations arising in our society today that Orwell mentions in his book. I don't however think that every "suspicous" death can be blamed on the governtment...

the facts surrounding a persons death can never be certain, especially if it happened in closed quarters, and when someone cuts their wrists as Kelly did you might not die, but you can suffer permenant dammage from the overdose he took which probably killed him but in a way different to the which the coronor was looking for.

There are always sensible explanations.
unfortunately when desperation sets in anything becomes acceptable = Dr. kelly's death was almost certainly a govt. plot- i even believe that the Hutton report was inevitable going to be in favour of Blair and his cronies because Lords are always on the side of the govt. - history dictates so
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This may sound X-filish or perhaps a bit of a cliche but, it wouldn't surprise me if MI5 or such like organised a hit on him...kinda like the Kennedy thing except done much more clandestinely...who knows...I mean think about Diana...were the Royal family or for a matter of fact, British inteligence against a muslim coming into a royalist limelight (no offence to any Muslims btw) because even a Catholic cannot be on the throne i.e take the Prince of Michael having to turn down a possible claim to the throne in order to marry a Catholic
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unfortunately when desperation sets in anything becomes acceptable = Dr. kelly's death was almost certainly a govt. plot- i even believe that the Hutton report was inevitable going to be in favour of Blair and his cronies because Lords are always on the side of the govt. - history dictates so
Or Lords with Labour granted peerages for that matter
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This may sound X-filish or perhaps a bit of a cliche but, it wouldn't surprise me if MI5 or such like organised a hit on him...kinda like the Kennedy thing except done much more clandestinely...who knows...I mean think about Diana...were the Royal family or for a matter of fact, British inteligence against a muslim coming into a royalist limelight (no offence to any Muslims btw) because even a Catholic cannot be on the throne i.e take the Prince of Michael having to turn down a possible claim to the throne in order to marry a Catholic
oh... how i loved the x-files *cue some serious nostalgic episode watching tonight*
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The Hutton report has been leaked to the sun. Its main outcomes are that: Tony Blair is not implicated in anything, neither is Geoff hoon (but the MoD gets a bit of a slap on the wrist). The BBC is the main party to blame. and it also says that Dr Kelly is to blame for going to the BBC.
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It is almost certain that he was murdered. Where is the psychologist that can safely say that all men who've seen that kind of service will almost always choose to place a pistol in their mouth, and pull the trigger? I didn't see one mention of that, but just from what I've read of the man, cutting wrists and a few pain killers, just doesn't seem to be his style. Simply my personal opinion, and indeed educated guess. Also, it is much easier to dope someone up and cut their wrists to make it look like suicide. Especially if you get to have a say in the post mortem. "Ah he was feeling kind of woozy, must have been pain killers. I guess he didn't want to feel a knife slashing his wrists. End of report fellas, who thinks it is time to down a few brews before we head home?" When a wound caused by a knife doesn't hurt that much at all. Now a grazed leg when you come off a push bike, that is a pain I don't ever care to experience again. (I have had a few cuts from a knife by the way and know what I'm on about) On top of all that, there was so much motive to have the man killed. It had to happen. He propably should have committed suicide before they got to him. But then again, they're calling it suicide, so publically he saved some grace, but not personal grace. Just a thought. I could be wrong, but it doesn't happen often. I look forward to replies on my theory, this is very interesting. Who has new ideas on this one?
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It is almost certain that he was murdered. Where is the psychologist that can safely say that all men who've seen that kind of service will almost always choose to place a pistol in their mouth, and pull the trigger? I didn't see one mention of that, but just from what I've read of the man, cutting wrists and a few pain killers, just doesn't seem to be his style. Simply my personal opinion, and indeed educated guess. Also, it is much easier to dope someone up and cut their wrists to make it look like suicide. Especially if you get to have a say in the post mortem. "Ah he was feeling kind of woozy, must have been pain killers. I guess he didn't want to feel a knife slashing his wrists. End of report fellas, who thinks it is time to down a few brews before we head home?" When a wound caused by a knife doesn't hurt that much at all. Now a grazed leg when you come off a push bike, that is a pain I don't ever care to experience again. (I have had a few cuts from a knife by the way and know what I'm on about) On top of all that, there was so much motive to have the man killed. It had to happen. He propably should have committed suicide before they got to him. But then again, they're calling it suicide, so publically he saved some grace, but not personal grace. Just a thought. I could be wrong, but it doesn't happen often. I look forward to replies on my theory, this is very interesting. Who has new ideas on this one?
The only difficulty I have with the whole thing is that TB must have known the trouble the 'suicide' would have caused. Unless, of course, what Dr Kelly knew was more damaging?
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Medical experts today raised the possibility that weapons expert David Kelly did not kill himself.

Three senior specialists said they could not accept the evidence of how Dr Kelly died presented to the Hutton Inquiry.

They believe that the cause of death as told to the inquiry was "improbable" and called for a full inquest, raising the theory that Dr Kelly was murdered.

Their dramatic intervention comes the day before publication of Lord Hutton's report into the circumstances surrounding Dr Kelly's death.

And at the weekend one of Dr Kelly's closest friends said she did not believe he had committed suicide and claimed he had received death threats.

Dr Kelly was found dead near his Oxfordshire home last July after being named as the source of a BBC report claiming the Government "sexed up" a dossier on the threat from Iraq.

The inquiry was told that he bled to death after cutting his wrist. There was evidence that he had also taken painkillers.

But in a letter to The Guardian the specialistsdetailed flaws in the official explanation given by a Home Office pathologist.

The medical experts told the Evening Standard today that they were not accusing anyone of murder but added: "The picture is not a happy one."

Today Oxfordshire coroner Nicholas Gardiner, who is considering holding a full inquest into his death, revealed he had received "numerous" letters questioning the account given to the inquiry.

The group of specialists, who include a trauma consultant and an anaesthetist, said they believe Dr Kelly could not have died as a result of cutting his wrist and taking an overdose of painkillers.

Speaking on behalf of a number of medics, consultant surgeon David Halpin said: "There are all sorts of evidence that are most unsatisfactory.

"The picture is not a happy one. We would like this inquest reopened, so that in this very important case, no stone is left unturned."

During the Hutton Inquiry forensic pathologist Dr Nicholas Hunt concluded that the scientist bled to death from a selfinflicted wound to his left wrist.

Dr Halpin said today: "As specialist medical professionals, we do not consider the evidence given at the Hutton Inquiry has demonstrated that Dr Kelly committed suicide.

"We find it difficult to accept that a cut, such as the one described, could result in death. It is very unlikely that this injury would have been fatal."

He added: "Because the case was so high profile, I imagined that the autopsy and inquest would be carried out to the highest standard that our state could muster.

"But the more I thought about it, the less certain I became that he could have died from a cut to the left wrist."

Dr Kelly's body was found slumped by a tree in woods near his home.

Lying next to him were the Scout knife he had had since he was a boy, his watch, his flat cap, his glasses, a container of his wife's painkillers and a bottle of water.

Dr Hunt told the inquiry that the only artery involved - the ulnar artery - had been completely sliced through.

But Dr Halpin, whose views are supported by diagnostic radiologist Stephen Frost, and Searle Sennet, a specialist in anaesthesiology, said: "Arteries in the wrist are of matchstick thickness and severing them does not lead to life-threatening blood loss.

"When the artery is completely transected, as apparently happened in this case, it retracts and the blood begins to clot. This limits the blood loss."

Today Mr Gardiner told the Standard he has received "numerous" letters questioning the official version of Dr Kelly's death.

"This is just one of several I have received to this effect," he said. "I hope to take any views into account on this matter."

Mr Gardiner formally handed over the powers of his inquest to Lord Hutton after the Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer, used a little-known law to order that it be combined with the public inquiry.

"I expect to have a hearing in March at which I will make my ruling," said Mr Gardiner today. The Hutton Inquiry had itself heard dramatic evidence that Dr Kelly, 59, had forecast his own death.

He told a diplomat: "I will probably be found dead in the woods."

In the days before he died, he told one friend: "Many dark actors are playing games."

This weekend a friend of Dr Kelly's, Mai Pederson, broke her silence to say that she believed the weapons expert had been killed.

She told the Mail on Sunday: "I told police that the fact he was found dead in the woods to me was not surprising.

"The fact they said he committed suicide was. His job was dangerous. He knew it could cost him his life. He got death threats."

But her statement had not been passed to the Hutton Inquiry and key medical evidence which would normally be made public at an inquest was marked as "private".

are we all that worried anyway to wether he was or wasnt. does any one care? there thnkyou, no one ha
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are we all that worried anyway to wether he was or wasnt. does any one care? there thnkyou, no one ha
I care. A man was murdered, and so wrong an act was this, those responsible made it look like a suicide. So that Mr Kelly looked like the only wrong doer. Shut up love 4 ducks and go talk in the chit chat threads like you used to.
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I care. A man was murdered, and so wrong an act was this, those responsible made it look like a suicide. So that Mr Kelly looked like the only wrong doer. Shut up love 4 ducks and go talk in the chit chat threads like you used to.
You think he was murdered, suicide is far more likley when you consider all the relevant facts, plus the postmortem or however you spell it was carried out thoroughly and came to the same conclusion.
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You think he was murdered, suicide is far more likley when you consider all the relevant facts, plus the postmortem or however you spell it was carried out thoroughly and came to the same conclusion.
Read my previous post half way up the page. The one before Evil Muffin's post. It is mostly explained there. It was not suicide my friend.
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murdered, if the government dont like u because u speak the truth. The will want to kill u and thats what they did to kelly and said he killed himself. Its a disgrace, the truths got to come out and all the evil people should be caught
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definatly murdered, no doubt about it
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definatly murdered, no doubt about it
Well done. Pleased you agree.
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