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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    No. Why should I write to David Cameron? He has point to make savings.

    I would add- for too long, universities have spent relentlessly without any thought. My university is poor. My lecturers refuse to offer help and even when you e-mail them - it is snubbed. In fact my lecturer (the nicer ones) anounced "this university is rubbish because of the administration" in the lecture. Yet she has gone to protest since she feels compelled to do so by a senior member of staff. She didn't want to protest but she felt forced to. She admitted in lecture.
    I pay over £3000- I expect them provide the quality education I deserve. Their golden pension pots will be available to them when they start providing quality teaching. I am not going to bask in their glory of providing me powerpoints slides on 1 piece of paper which have been copied and pasted from wikipedia.

    The protest is petty, sickening as well as infuriating. I don't support their protest at all in any manner of speaking. I pay them to teach me, to be at my beck and call, certainly not for them to go out and protest.

    The idea that when I earn, I have to pay back my university loan gives me the shudders. I have not received anything worthwhile from university.

    In fact, I would probably go on to say perhaps universities need to be part- privatised to ensure quality is introduced. I hope Cameron hears this "part-privatisation" of universities is the way forward.

    Queue the red arrows from the socialist mob!
    If you don't want to pay for your ****e university why the **** should I have to pay for it?
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    You want me in the private sector to work longer and harder so you can retire earlier and on a better pension.
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    (Original post by obins)
    If you don't want to pay for your ****e university why the **** should I have to pay for it?
    Where the **** does it say you have to pay for it?

    Idiot!

    Read the whole post again, and bloody understand my point.

    Essentially, I releasing my anger that the lecturers were protesting. Moron.
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    I do get the loan. Obviously I would be expected to pay it back when I am earning meagre wages (thanks to Labour). When you pay for something, you expect it to be excellent. So far,I am unsatisfied.

    If anyone is deserving of a protest- it is me not my lecturers.
    Why would you expect to pay it back if you think you'll be on meagre wages?
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    The TUC March for the alternative (ironically named because no alternative has been put forward) is just a day for public sector unions to throw their toys out of the pram because they didn't get the election result they wanted, so they organize a big anti-Conservative demo. Everyone and their dog knew cuts had to be made last May, and accepted that the public sector was horribly bloated and needed to be brought down. Where were all these protests when the private sector was cutting jobs, pensions and benefit packages left and right several years ago, or when tuition fees were first introduced when the government stated they had no plans to?

    Ed Miliband has some nerve showing his face at the marches today when less than a year ago he was part of a cabinet (and wrote an election manifesto) who planned to make cuts they themselves stated would be worse than Thatcher's.

    There are so many different groups going to London to protest about different things that the day will ultimately end up as a complete waste of time. Even worse are people who think their cause can be compared to the Egypt protests, which is offensive and insulting to say the least. Sure, that can be arranged, as soon as the government send out tanks, water cannons and tear gas, strip you of all your rights and oppress women. Then you can complain about living in an oppressive regime.
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    Because representative democracy doesn't work.
    I know you're a nutter, but surely from your point of view a riot is exactly what ze ebul government wants so they have an excuse to suppress people?
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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    I know you're a nutter, but surely from your point of view a riot is exactly what ze ebul government wants so they have an excuse to suppress people?
    Thanks for the personal insult.

    Yes I agree violence against police is counter productive as it will only give them an excuse to suppress dissent even more.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Why would you expect to pay it back if you think you'll be on meagre wages?
    You ignored everything else to highlight on this one point.

    I am assuming you agree that actually the lecturer's protest were pathetic.

    Meagre wages- If I earn £15000 which is meagre, I will have to start paying my loan off.
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    You ignored everything else to highlight on this one point.

    I am assuming you agree that actually the lecturer's protest were pathetic.

    Meagre wages- If I earn £15000 which is meagre, I will have to start paying my loan off.
    No, you'll start paying back the interest.

    I didn't ignore it, I think its irrelevant. If you think you're getting poor VfM then why not drop out?
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    (Original post by Quady)
    No, you'll start paying back the interest.

    I didn't ignore it, I think its irrelevant. If you think you're getting poor VfM then why not drop out?
    Paying it back nonetheless on a meagre salary.

    Drop out and waste £3000 for a year and pay extra for the same year at another university. NO!
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Paying it back nonetheless on a meagre salary.

    Drop out and waste £3000 for a year and pay extra for the same year at another university. NO!
    Well not really. If you were paying back part of the interest on a credit card bill for a pair of shoes you wouldn't say you were paying for the shoes would you?

    Why would you go into the same year?
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Well not really. If you were paying back part of the interest on a credit card bill for a pair of shoes you wouldn't say you were paying for the shoes would you?

    Why would you go into the same year?
    Once I earn, I would like the capital rather than the interest.

    With my degree- each university are more or less similar but there will be different modules. For example) Year 1

    1 University

    A, B and C modules and D module will be taught in second or third year


    2 University

    A, B and D module and C module will be taught in second year

    If I wanted to change university, I would have to repeat a whole even the same modules otherwise my degree would be rendered useless.
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Once I earn, I would like the capital rather than the interest.

    With my degree- each university are more or less similar but there will be different modules. For example) Year 1

    1 University

    A, B and C modules and D module will be taught in second or third year


    2 University

    A, B and D module and C module will be taught in second year

    If I wanted to change university, I would have to repeat a whole even the same modules otherwise my degree would be rendered useless.
    Oh you've looked into it then?

    I transferred from the 2nd year in Bath to the 3rd year in York without hassle.

    And theres always the option of just dropping out of uni altogether.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Oh you've looked into it then?

    I transferred from the 2nd year in Bath to the 3rd year in York without hassle.

    And theres always the option of just dropping out of uni altogether.
    I have looked into it and decided to stick my university through bad times.

    I think the audacity of my lecturer protesting about their golden pension pots quite sickening and deeply disturbing. I would love to complain if there was a forum or a procedure.

    No way! I would never dream of dropping out of university and so late on.
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    (Original post by jesusandtequila)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_1951

    You mean the one they lost?
    yes the one they lost due to the liberals not standing in constituencies where they would split the tory vote. the fact is 1951 was the date when labour had the most election votes....EVER. more than with tony blair in 1997. They had this number of votes due to their policies which included setting up the NHS, nationalising 20% of their economy and building houses etc. It was clear people were happy with those polices as labour could only be beat - not by a superior argument form the conservatives but by a tactical voting move by the liberals and tories. what about that don't you agree with?
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    (Original post by Bookmark)
    Yes and a whole load of new ridiculously high taxes were introduced to pay it off.

    Is that what you want?
    well we could start by collecting te tax we set.- the tax gap, which HRMC say is around 42bn and the PCS say is 120bn....low and middle income families should not have increased taxes but the high earners should because you cant morally justify somebody spending 3k on a bottle of champagne when other people are missing meals to feed their family. further we could increase the number of people paying tax. that means getting people of the dole and into useful jobs such as building affordable homes.

    • Collect Tax
      increase the number of people paying it(create jobs)
      Raise tax for the super rich


    that is better than making people redundant, homless, poorer, slashing hospitals, school etc. and an increasing number of people on the dole and the increase of crime that comes with it.
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    (Original post by london12)
    public sector workers pay 100% tax? :confused:
    income tax, nat insurance, VAT on anything they spend, fuel duty etc. further in a nationalised economy they would spend their net income on nationalised products (i.e. it goes back to the treaury) and deposit their savings in the nationalised bank. the money you don't get is the money in their wallet (lets say £100 at any one time) and something they spend abroad
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    (Original post by london12)
    Not exactly an essential when we're 100bn in debt, is it?
    completely essential. you create more debt by not having them....the people who work their loose their jobs, that means they don't pay income tax and they hav less money in their pocket to spen on goods and services so the economy shrinks. Further they end up on the dole which means they are not taking money off the state.

    second, if you close youth centres crime will rise. so any damage from vandalism has to be payed for, perhaps extra policing, extra mental health costs etc.

    further, if you want to argue on whats essential - you can easliy argue a 4th home for rich people is not essential. or having 3bn in the banks is not essential. thats where the money should come from, not from closing a youth centre on some estate where the kids have no future.
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    (Original post by badtothebone)
    completely essential. you create more debt by not having them....the people who work their loose their jobs, that means they don't pay income tax and they hav less money in their pocket to spen on goods and services so the economy shrinks. Further they end up on the dole which means they are not taking money off the state.

    second, if you close youth centres crime will rise. so any damage from vandalism has to be payed for, perhaps extra policing, extra mental health costs etc.

    further, if you want to argue on whats essential - you can easliy argue a 4th home for rich people is not essential. or having 3bn in the banks is not essential. thats where the money should come from, not from closing a youth centre on some estate where the kids have no future.
    I said youth centres are not exactly an essential, are they? Then there's other crap like SureStart.......

    It all adds up!
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    (Original post by london12)
    I said youth centres are not exactly an essential, are they? Then there's other crap like SureStart.......

    It all adds up!
    whu do u pick on youth centres rather than 4th houses? youth centres have much more value
 
 
 
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