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    (Original post by Golly-Gosh)
    well what you call merely just 'critique of a culture or religion' is in fact RACISM. don't know how one differ than the other. the point you trying to make is basically, racism against the Jews is bad or worser than...say racism against Muslims, Christians, or Hindus? am i right?
    again, there is no logic there.
    Erm, no it isn't. What a preposterous statement. If I were to say that the Bible and the Koran are a load of rubbish, would you consider that to be a racist statement?
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    Well the word "jew" gets tossed around as a joke believe it or not.
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    Well...
    I can speak about my experiences from Essex.
    People joke about it all the time. Mainly silly things about commenting on foreskin and nose size. Obviously, this is mainly younger lads from school, but they just tend to say stupid remarks. To be honest, the Jews in my school just get called a lot of names, when they obviously don't know anything about the race or or religion.
    But I can't speak for more mature people in London.
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    (Original post by World_explorer)
    Hi first time poster here. I got into SOAS for MA in China Studies and just read about the "occupation" run that a bunch of arab groups had and I'm starting to get nervous about the amount of Anti-semitism in the UK especially in London. I grew up in NYC and went to school in Columbia U. with a large Jewish population so I am worried about this change of pace. I've worked in Japan and Taiwan and surprisingly the attitudes that I've gotten for being Jewish from locals has been positive but mixed with other europeans (especially negative russians and eastern europeans) and universally negative by the few arabs/muslims that I have met during my periods abroad. I know UK in general is anti-Israel and from my friends that study at oxford and LSE say that sometimes that "Anti-Israel" tendencies bleed into outright semitism (my friend said since these schools have lots of money coming from the arab nations they have basically been "bought" into the mantra of israel/jews =bad) so I'm wondering how bad is it actually. I was very active in the jewish and israel community back in the states and am worried I am going to be harassed like one of my friends was at LSE.
    Firstly, I'm really surprised your friends go to some of the most decent institutions the UK has to provide because, to be quite frank, they've, quite ignorantly, generalised the hell out of the study body over here. For one, the students of a particular university will not aid with the Arab world simply because arab nations are funding their university - I doubt even 1% of students even know where the funds come from :rolleyes:

    To be more specific, I think there are much more anti-Zionist people, but I doubt you'll actually have a problem studying here. A lot of students, including Arabs/Muslims actually know the difference between Judaism and Zionism, and I think you'll get a long fine with the majority; however, there may be a chance you'll encounter anti-Semitism, but I think this is as likely as anti-Islamic comments/harassment etc.

    In short, I think you'll do fine. There is a possibility you'll get harassed etc. but there's also a probability that you'll fall down an escalator at Piccadily Circus station or encounter a mime act in the middle of Trafalgar Square.

    In short, I would not steer clear of London because of what your friend said, although what he experienced was terrible.

    Btw, I am Muslim.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    No, I'm not saying that Jews deserve more respect than anyone else. Of course not. I'm saying that racism (in this case, anti-Semitism) is more serious than the critique of a culture or religion. I didn't say that the death of a Jew is more important than the death of somebody else. Violent persecution is equally bad, whether it is the result of racism or not. The point I am making is that anti-Islamic and anti-Christianity sentiment are based on the ideologies of the two religions, which is absolutely fair (and sensible, in my opinion); whereas anti-Semitic sentiment has historically been about race. They can't be compared.

    I'm not sure why you've brought up the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. For your information, I am opposed to modern day Zionism and the Occupation of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza.



    The word 'Jewish' describes an ethnic group and a racial group, as well as a religion. How else do you explain atheist Jews, like the one in my avatar?

    Anti-Semitism, 99% of the time, is not concerned with the Jewish religion. It is concerned with the Jewish race.

    Being anti a certain religion is another matter altogether. If I want to criticise Islam, Christianity or the Jewish religion, then I am fully entitled to do that. Racism, which is what anti-Semitism is, is unacceptable and can't be justified.
    tevvy, i respect that youre not anti-semitic, but i have to say a lot of the opinions you have formed are mostly due to a lack of knowledge - as youre neither jewish or muslim i wouldnt expect you to have detailed knowldege about the conflict. also, a lot of the opinions youve mentioned such as being anti-zionist have been formed from sources which are anti-semitic, eg. i can see the media demonizes israel more than any other country unjustly, and so people treat israel differently to every other country not becausr theyre anti-semitic, but because of the media/islamic/far-leftist influence. and i have as much hope with convincing them that israels actions arent /generally/ bad as i do with convincing my orthodox jewish friends that israels actions on the settlement issue are wrong.

    also the occupation is the best thing that ever happened to the west bank, i wont give you a lecture but without it the west bankers would be as bad off as the gazans are.
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    "come to soas we haz brownies"

    60 years...
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    To be honest you can't stop everyone from having an opinion. It's a fact. Just how people stereotype Muslims, people will do the same for the Jews. It's a fact. Best thing to do is hold your head up high, and move on. In the long run, you'll end up earning a lot more respect.

    I'll probably get flamed for this, but seriously stop milking the Holocaust excuse. They have, yes, milked it. But it is also a fact that it happened. I like their plan to make sure no one ever forgets. We could -- heck, the Jews themselves could -- be capable of doing it again otherwise. Jews stick out their lower lip every time someone criticizes them or Israel and it's a little much. Keep reminding us, yes. Stop tapping us for emotions.

    Seriously, majority of people aren't that bad. It's always a minority. Just get that into your head!
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    (Original post by SteveCrain)
    I wasn't aware anti-semitism still existed. Never encountered it beyond foreskin and south park related jokes when I was in high school. Then again, I live in the North where people are friendlier, more tolerant and better looking.
    Haha I couldn't help but crack up at the little plug for the North at the end of that post :')
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    If you're worried about prejudice and are in support of Israel (not a very popular country here, however this is because of the percieved hypocrisy and cruelty of the nation, not because it is a jewish nation) then I'd keep it on the down low. Don't bring it up in conversation and try not to vocalise your opinion if somebody asks you about it; if you ever get stick for it then you might have to grin and bear it, but you'd get more respect for attempting to agree to disagree than try to argue pro-Israel (as annoying as that may be for you).

    I'd doubt that you'd get serious prejudice for being Jewish though, most universities here will have student societies for Jewish people to socialise and you'll be able to interact with London's Jewish community. If you encounter prejudice contact your university and you should get help.

    Remember that London is one of the largest and most international cities in the world before making the generalisation that the UK is anti-semetic. And introduce yourself as an individual, not a Jewish person - I've met a few people who act as if their personality is just an embodyment of their religion and it really doesn't get much respect here.
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    Yes, you will find that there is some anti-Semitism at SOAS and other London unis. You will find discussion of Israel descend into anti-Semitism. You may discover that your uni hosts speakers with offensive views, and that people say things that are anti-Semitic, without even maybe realising it. But there's a lot more to uni than just that, you can avoid it. London JSoc is large, there is security and support for Jewish students, and physically you are safe. If you want to study in London, don't let this put you off. There may be some anti-Semitism around, but there will be lots of other things, including highly balanced debate.
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    (Original post by World_explorer)
    Hi first time poster here. I got into SOAS for MA in China Studies and just read about the "occupation" run that a bunch of arab groups had and I'm starting to get nervous about the amount of Anti-semitism in the UK especially in London. I grew up in NYC and went to school in Columbia U. with a large Jewish population so I am worried about this change of pace. I've worked in Japan and Taiwan and surprisingly the attitudes that I've gotten for being Jewish from locals has been positive but mixed with other europeans (especially negative russians and eastern europeans) and universally negative by the few arabs/muslims that I have met during my periods abroad. I know UK in general is anti-Israel and from my friends that study at oxford and LSE say that sometimes that "Anti-Israel" tendencies bleed into outright semitism (my friend said since these schools have lots of money coming from the arab nations they have basically been "bought" into the mantra of israel/jews =bad) so I'm wondering how bad is it actually. I was very active in the jewish and israel community back in the states and am worried I am going to be harassed like one of my friends was at LSE.
    as Little Jules said....almost always criticism of israel descents into anti-semitic tirades , but just dont rise to it. why would you want to go to SOAS uni anyway? youre not asian or african you wont fit in. go to a 'jewni' : manchester, birmingham, nottingham or leeds.
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    OP says they've applied for an MA in China Studies, so in terms of department, SOAS makes sense!
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    (Original post by PKU_Research007)
    I'm sorry but did you say extermination of the palestinian people...until yasser arafat and Al-Fatah came into play "palestinians' were not considered a people but Jordanians. Lets nto forget how mistreated palestinians are in those beloved arab countries that support them. Its words like extermination that boil my blood because it wasnt the jews that attacked in 1948 nor at Yom Kippur. In fact the reason why Israel even invaded Lebanon was because you guys were letting terrorists attack civilians. Anyone who doubts the right for Israel to exist is ignoring history and you know what. Israel has a thriving agriculture section, technology, even with its flawed government like all governments at least its democratic. And you guys want to know why Israel has such a military go go view of politics right now. Intifada gave Likud so much strength. And I'll say this unlike Jews, I see plenty of Mullahs around the world condoning the massacre of infidels and Jihad. Remind me why the british gov recently announced concern about radicalization on UK campuses....gee what monster is this that you speak of. There are good people everywhere doesn't matter race creed or religion, but I don't see governments around the world concerned about radicalization of jewish youth...
    Amen to that. Its funny how so many people conviently forget that the Palestians are a made up people by the British from when they had a mandate to rule the area.
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    (Original post by dunnicare)
    SAY WHAAAAAT? Muslims are plastered all over the news in the west as terrorists and violent people even though the moderate ones vastly out-number the extremists. The average persons perception of Islam in the west is very disheartening. The true Islam is being over shadowed by the monster the media is portraying. We have it the worst right now.
    Racism comes in various forms, I'd probably say anti-semetism, as bad as it is, is probably done the least. Why do I even need to say this?

    But to answer your question, Obviously at certain points in your life you will encounter racism, but I think your more likely to encounter heated debates on Israel. SOAS students are very....................politica l. It's a very good university with a culturally, racially, religiously diverse pool of student so unless you can back the formation of a Jewish state which is resulting in the possible extermination of the Palestinian people I'd stick to the Jew-SOC.
    The Palestians were never a people though. Palestine was created by the British out of "Transjordan."
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    I'm Jewish and I live in London and I've not encountered anti semitism, but then I don't make it obvious I'm Jewish and most people dont know unless I tell them.
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    (Original post by jelly1000)
    I'm Jewish and I live in London and I've not encountered anti semitism, but then I don't make it obvious I'm Jewish and most people dont know unless I tell them.
    i go to a mainly asian college and the muslims are almost all anti-semitic without acting on it though, last maths lesson a boy just casually walks in with a Hezbollah hoody with the sub-machine gun on it n everything, just normal
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    A friend of mine's husband was beaten up last friday by some idiots. All because he was wearing a skullcap. People need to just stop. It doesn't matter that he was jewish, he could have been muslim, christian or whatever, it's just not acceptable for people to do these things!
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    I have a soft spot for Jews
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    OP I also have worries like you too, I got into LSE and the professors that have lead the massive anti israel campaign were the ones taking the most money from the libyans so there is proof to the pudding. The thing I can suggest to you is stick to your department. I'd assume China studies isn't as radical as the other departments. And to the person saying milk the holocaust comment...you're lucky I don't know who you are. The last person who said that to me was last year's yad vashem after I got to hear from my last remaining relatives about the hell they went through and he still can't chew solid food. OP I'm sure there will be plenty of people like that dude, I had a friend when I was at Uni that studied abroad at SOAS who had the same problem. The way he solved it was just getting top class scores in all of his modules. As he put it "if they get beaten by a Jew they'll never live it down and hopefully will throw themselves off a bridge".
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    (Original post by PKU_Research007)
    As he put it "if they get beaten by a Jew they'll never live it down and hopefully will throw themselves off a bridge".
    HAHAHA That's amazing! My gf (a nice Colombian catholic girl who even my mother does nothing but dote on) saw your comment on couldn't stop laughing. She originally didn't want me to go to SOAS becuase she was afraid my big mouth was going to land me on some jihadi youtube video with me being executed. But luckily she is coming with me to London since her firm is sending her there and she is even more of a zionist than me so I hope those protesters enjoy the wrath of a Bogotan beauty! But its true my cousin who went to Berkeley and was very active in the zionist group there and would get heckled by a lot of arab americans in his Arabic class. But every quarter during oral exams the professor would commend him with being better than the heritage speakers and they would hear it and get totally embarrassed. He would call it the quarterly intellectual smackdown.
 
 
 
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