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    (Original post by Ewan)
    People don't really care about the rights of humans, let alone animals OP.
    I actually think more people care about the rights of animals than humans
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    (Original post by flying twig)
    I actually think more people care about the rights of animals than humans
    Sad but probably true. People are idiots.
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    (Original post by flying twig)
    Yeah I agree, I don't think it would make that much difference in terms of profit if everyone had to stop and I actually think if one of the big companies stopped their animal testing and made a big deal about it they would probably gain some customers. And about the USA too I agree, it's like capitalism gone mad over there, anything that makes money is okay and will never be interfered with.
    Yeah too right, that's their religion. Like the Tea Party is set up to stop Obama putting any sanctions on the free market - it's as if the banks are 'sacred' over there.

    Everyone mouths platitudes like "save the environment", "be nice to animals", "freedom/liberation", without thinking about what they mean. By allowing companies too much freedom, they end up repressing animals, and many people too. It's clear that a balance can be struck, but it's a shame how right wing this student website comes across at times ("socialism = fascism etc). I blame too many modern day distractions (Facebook, Mobile phones, video games) - created by capitalist companies - which sap up peoples time such that they can't think about what they're actually doing, the implications of buying this car, that shampoo etc
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    (Original post by flying twig)
    But they could develop new products WITHOUT animal tests. Plus this is why I think people should boycott them, everything they do it for profit but if consumers make it clear they won't buy products that have been tested on animals they will be forced to change
    Yeah they can, but until it makes financial sense to the company, whether that be through cheaper alternatives or protest/boycotting costing them money then they're likely to continue animal testing.

    I agree with you though, it shouldn't be allowed, especially for something so pathetic as make up.
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    (Original post by Joey_Barton)
    Yeah too right, that's their religion. Like the Tea Party is set up to stop Obama putting any sanctions on the free market - it's as if the banks are 'sacred' over there.

    Everyone mouths platitudes like "save the environment", "be nice to animals", "freedom/liberation", without thinking about what they mean. By allowing companies too much freedom, they end up repressing animals, and many people too. It's clear that a balance can be struck, but it's a shame how right wing this student website comes across at times ("socialism = fascism etc). I blame too many modern day distractions (Facebook, Mobile phones, video games) - created by capitalist companies - which sap up peoples time such that they can't think about what they're actually doing, the implications of buying this car, that shampoo etc
    I know, I guess this kind of stuff has become normal. The only thing people think about when they buy something is the price and how it's going to make them look/how it's going to taste. It's sad but we're all guilty of it to some extent, it's kind of inevitable to be a bit like that in a consumer driven capitalist society. If everyone did their little bit though everything could be so much better.

    I mean with eating meat, even if you don't want to become a total vegetarian, if everyone just cut their consumption of meat by half the demand for meat would probably be met without factory farming. At the current levels of consumption factory farming is basically the only way enough meat can be made fast enough. It's sad.

    And how can the people who actually do the tests live with themselves? They must become so brutalised or have some kind of psychopathic tendencies in the first place. It's sick. Especially when testing stuff like cosmetics or toiletries, I can't see any way in which they would justify it to themselves.
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    (Original post by Ewan)
    Sad but probably true. People are idiots.
    It's better to care about animals than to care about nothing
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    (Original post by flying twig)
    It's better to care about animals than to care about nothing
    Yea that's true. I don't know much about animal testing though, does it harm the animals (by harm I mean inhumane harm)?
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    (Original post by Ewan)
    Yea that's true. I don't know much about animal testing though, does it harm the animals (by harm I mean inhumane harm)?
    In my opinion it's inhumane harm. They breed the animals just to test on them and kill them afterwards. Some tests include the draize test (putting a concentrated solution into a rabbits eye and leaving it to see if it burns its eyes out) or the LD-50 test, which is injecting an animal until it dies to measure toxicity levels.

    For medical purposes, I can understand more, even if I do think that some of it crosses the line between being scientifically useful and being just downright cruel and useless.

    There's loads of info/videos out there about it. I guess it's kind of difficult though because most of it is heavily biased one way or another but in my opinion it's wrong to breed animals just to carry out cruel tests on them in the name of beauty.
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    I dont wear make up and I use Original source shower stuff which is Vegan.I'd love it if all of the products I buy were vegan/not tested on animals.That'd be ideal .I've been against testing on animals since I was a young teenager.
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    (Original post by flying twig)
    In my opinion it's inhumane harm. They breed the animals just to test on them and kill them afterwards. Some tests include the draize test (putting a concentrated solution into a rabbits eye and leaving it to see if it burns its eyes out) or the LD-50 test, which is injecting an animal until it dies to measure toxicity levels.

    For medical purposes, I can understand more, even if I do think that some of it crosses the line between being scientifically useful and being just downright cruel and useless.

    There's loads of info/videos out there about it. I guess it's kind of difficult though because most of it is heavily biased one way or another but in my opinion it's wrong to breed animals just to carry out cruel tests on them in the name of beauty.
    It depends if those tests actually cause outright prolonged pain or not. I don't know, do rabbits even feel pain in the way we do? Are they medicated while these tests take place? I have no problem with killing animals if it serves a purpose as long as it's humane and the animal isn't treated cruelly.
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    (Original post by Ewan)
    It depends if those tests actually cause outright prolonged pain or not. I don't know, do rabbits even feel pain in the way we do? Are they medicated while these tests take place? I have no problem with killing animals if it serves a purpose as long as it's humane and the animal isn't treated cruelly.
    No, they're not. And yes, it is outright prolonged pain, they are left for days with a concentrated amount of chemical in their eyes. It's not only rabbits, it's cats, dogs and monkeys too. All of these animals definitely feel pain. Why do you think dogs who've been abused cower if you raise a hand to them? Because they remember that it hurts. That's why they cry if you accidently step on their paw or something. There's lots of videos showing animals convulsing and crying in pain whilst having tests carried out on them. Animals have a developed nervous system, that means they can feel pain. I didn't even think there was debate about that any more.

    And what purpose is it serving? Feeding the vanity of a couple of self obsessed individuals and lining the pockets of a couple of people at the head of some money guzzling companies who care about nothing other than money.
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    (Original post by flying twig)
    No, they're not. And yes, it is outright prolonged pain, they are left for days with a concentrated amount of chemical in their eyes. It's not only rabbits, it's cats, dogs and monkeys too. All of these animals definitely feel pain. Why do you think dogs who've been abused cower if you raise a hand to them? Because they remember that it hurts. That's why they cry if you accidently step on their paw or something. There's lots of videos showing animals convulsing and crying in pain whilst having tests carried out on them. Animals have a developed nervous system, that means they can feel pain. I didn't even think there was debate about that any more.

    And what purpose is it serving? Feeding the vanity of a couple of self obsessed individuals and lining the pockets of a couple of people at the head of some money guzzling companies who care about nothing other than money.
    Poor animals .I hate animal testing with a passion!
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    The only way to tell if a product is truly free from animal testing is to buy from companies approved by the Humane Cosmetic Standard (HCS) or Leaping Bunny scheme, run by BUAV. It's the only internationally recognised scheme to identify products free from animal testing. All approved companies have regular independent audits which check their entire supply chains for animal testing. Look for the Leaping Bunny logo on products and check out www.gocrueltyfree.org where you can order / download a Little Book of Cruelty Free and see all the companies that are free from animal testing. Own brand products by M&S, Superdrug and The Co-op are all approved.

    Also, No Cruel Cosmetics campaign backed by Sir Paul McCartney is to end animal testing for all beauty products sold in Europe - PLEASE sign and share the petition! www.nocruelcosmetics.org

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    (Original post by iainthegreat)
    One reason. Money.
    Animal testing is expensive to run.
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    (Original post by flying twig)
    Lush, MAC, Neals Yard, Barry M, ELF
    Mac is good, the other brands are rubbish.

    Urban Decay is another good brand that doesn't test on animals
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    (Original post by Ewan)
    People don't really care about the rights of humans, let alone animals OP.
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    Nobody loved the evil scientists as babies...
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    I hear Procter & Gamble is the Mighty Giant of animal testing, so I try to avoid their products. I had no idea how many I already owned! Cosmetics, Tampax, household cleaning, toothpaste, razors, the list goes on.
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    (Original post by No Future)
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    What's the point in commenting this? why do people do that, it's stupid

    Anyway I think the other products apart from mac are good, MAC is actually overpriced imo but still probably the best. The others are good if you want something a bit cheaper and I really like lush stuff. I guess it's just a matter of opinion
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    (Original post by flying twig)
    What's the point in commenting this? why do people do that, it's stupid

    Anyway I think the other products apart from mac are good, MAC is actually overpriced imo but still probably the best. The others are good if you want something a bit cheaper and I really like lush stuff. I guess it's just a matter of opinion
    Because I agree with what he wrote and couldn't put in any better without simply repeating his post.

    I personally don't like Lush.
 
 
 
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