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    Hi all,

    Right, I have no intention of becoming a solicitor/lawyer (thought i'd make that clear from now). HOWEVER I do have a keen interest in Criminal Law. I have a degree in Criminology and Sociology (yes, I know it's not your ''typical traditional'' subject, but I enjoyed it and got a 2:1). Originally I had my eye on going into the CPS, doing admin assistant/case worker. However these jobs are far and far between due to government cut backs. So as an alternative I thought about applying to solicitors offices that specialise in criminal law and perhaps trying to bag a job admin position that way.

    I was just wondering if this is a good idea, that will pay off or am I wasting my time?????

    Really would appreciate some ideas, as I am struggling to think of what other avenues that can get me access into a criminal work area.

    Thanks!
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    Well, you may well be successful if gaining an administrative assistant role is what you're aiming for. But unfortunately I can't see where you would progress to career-wise. I suppose the next grade up from an administrative assistant would be a paralegal in the criminal department, but that would usually require some legal qualifications to beat off the competition.

    However, if you change your mind, there is nothing to stop you becoming a criminal solicitor either in the CPS or in a law firm, and your educational background seems quite appropriate too. I don't think Criminology and Sociology are considered THAT less traditional compared with many of the more new and obscure degrees that are now available.
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    (Original post by tony_ron)
    Well, you may well be successful if gaining an administrative assistant role is what you're aiming for. But unfortunately I can't see where you would progress to career-wise. I suppose the next grade up from an administrative assistant would be a paralegal in the criminal department, but that would usually require some legal qualifications to beat off the competition.

    However, if you change your mind, there is nothing to stop you becoming a criminal solicitor either in the CPS or in a law firm, and your educational background seems quite appropriate too. I don't think Criminology and Sociology are considered THAT less traditional compared with many of the more new and obscure degrees that are now available.
    A friend of mine started off as an office admin, assistant, she is now a senior legal secretary for a law firm in London! So although career wise it might sound rubbish, working your way up is do-able. Paralegal I've looked into as well, but again I don't have the quals. behind me to fight off competition (like you said). But I currently don't have the funds to pay for a course to better myself (stuck in a vicious circle :/). Ho hmmmmm.

    So basically write the letters anyway, as it could pay off????

    But thank you for your post, much appreciated .
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    (Original post by DancinBallerina)
    A friend of mine started off as an office admin, assistant, she is now a senior legal secretary for a law firm in London! So although career wise it might sound rubbish, working your way up is do-able. Paralegal I've looked into as well, but again I don't have the quals. behind me to fight off competition (like you said). But I currently don't have the funds to pay for a course to better myself (stuck in a vicious circle :/). Ho hmmmmm.

    So basically write the letters anyway, as it could pay off????

    But thank you for your post, much appreciated .
    You could potentially become a legal secretary yes. But a legal secretary is not generally a graduate position, so you may end up wondering why you went to university.

    Writing speculative cover letters and CVs and sending them in to law firms is probably your best bet yes, although you are narrowing your options considerable if you say you're only prepared to work in their criminal department, rather than in any department.

    If you did wish to become a criminal solicitor, you could get your training contract (awarded two years in advance usually) law firm to pay for your conversion course (GDL) and legal practice course (LPC) fees for you. However, few criminal law firms will have the funds to support you through this. The solution would be to apply for a more commercially-oriented law firm that does pay for your law school fees, complete your training contract with them (perhaps with an emphasis on contentious seats), then move laterally into a criminal position at a different firm when you qualify two years later. It is a long way around, but a possible option for you.

    Please let me know if there is anything in this post that you don't understand. Some of the terms law students use are not always clear to those that don't yet have a developed understanding of how graduate legal careers work.
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    (Original post by tony_ron)
    You could potentially become a legal secretary yes. But a legal secretary is not generally a graduate position, so you may end up wondering why you went to university.

    Writing speculative cover letters and CVs and sending them in to law firms is probably your best bet yes, although you are narrowing your options considerable if you say you're only prepared to work in their criminal department, rather than in any department.

    If you did wish to become a criminal solicitor, you could get your training contract (awarded two years in advance usually) law firm to pay for your conversion course (GDL) and legal practice course (LPC) fees for you. However, few criminal law firms will have the funds to support you through this. The solution would be to apply for a more commercially-oriented law firm that does pay for your law school fees, complete your training contract with them (perhaps with an emphasis on contentious seats), then move laterally into a criminal position at a different firm when you qualify two years later. It is a long way around, but a possible option for you.

    Please let me know if there is anything in this post that you don't understand. Some of the terms law students use are not always clear to those that don't yet have a developed understanding of how graduate legal careers work.
    Thank you for the information, definitely has given me something more to think about.
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    What about trainee probation officer? Not sure how often they recruit (they're recruiting where I live now though). It's not really criminal law but could be an option to consider.
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    What about trainee probation officer? Not sure how often they recruit (they're recruiting where I live now though). It's not really criminal law but could be an option to consider.
    I was looking into going into the probation service, but changed my mind after the ****ty/shirty reply I got on the phone for flippin voluntary work. :/ My local probation office are more interested in students doing Social Work, for some reason. BUT I'll have a look on their website and see what's going on.
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    I'm writing my letters - s t u c k already! :ninjagirl: Ho hmmmmmm.
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    I really am stuck still on what to write in these letters??? :/ Basically I am writing to these solicitors in a bid of a job, ie office admin., with the opportunity of it becoming a place where I can basically get onto the ''ladder'' and work my way up. That is what I am trying to say, but how to beef it up in a letter, is fox'ing me :/. :facepalm:
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    I'm still not clear from this what you actually want to do with your life. You don't want to be a lawyer but you want to be heavily involved in the administration of law? Or is it that you want to work with criminals?

    Have you thought about the prison service / probation service?
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    (Original post by Ethereal)
    I'm still not clear from this what you actually want to do with your life. You don't want to be a lawyer but you want to be heavily involved in the administration of law? Or is it that you want to work with criminals?

    Have you thought about the prison service / probation service?
    Originally I wanted to work in the CPS; start off doing admin. and then gradually working my way up. However due to government cut backs and etc, I've given that idea up. So as an alternative, im going to try and get into a solicitors office (preferably one which specialises in criminal law), and try and work my way up that way; legal secretary to legal exec. That is what I am trying to do. I don't have a Law degree, however I have done criminology and sociology, which yes I know is not a traditional subject.

    Prison and probation = I have absolutely no interest in working for those 2 organisations. And again, no jobs in my area have cropped up in those organisations for over a year.

    I'm in my mid 20s, achieved nothing apart from a degree, and a load of work experience, and I really want to get my career started, not forgetting earn some proper money. I have been stuck on a poxy 6hour a week asda job, for almost 4 years (was a job to bide me by during my studies) where every week it's driving me insane, mixing with the dross of my local city, whose aspirations revolve around ''breeding'' x amount of kids, claiming social and dealing or having some hand in drugs. I do not want that and want to further myself and actually get settled into a career, I am interested in.

    I have absolutely no desire in picking ''anything'' for the sake of saying ''I have a job'', because I will get bored. For once in my life I just want to do something which I know I'll enjoy and be happy doing.

    {Apologies for the long reply}.
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    Is your long term aim to qualify as a solicitor via the Ilex route?
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    Is your long term aim to qualify as a solicitor via the Ilex route?
    Via the ILEX route is the only route I have seen that enables me to go onto Legal Exec. I :dontknow:, I could be wrong.

    I have only just got my head around (kinda) the whole law field. So I do apologise if my knowledge and etc of it all isn't quite up to scratch as of yet.
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    ilex is the way to be a legal exec, just trying to work out if thats where you'd stop
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    (Original post by Ethereal)
    ilex is the way to be a legal exec, just trying to work out if thats where you'd stop
    Yea that's what I too am interested in knowing about.
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    Hi all, I am ILEX qualified, sowas there any further info about the route you wanted to know about? I definately recommend this route in to law
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    (Original post by KILEX)
    Hi all, I am ILEX qualified, sowas there any further info about the route you wanted to know about? I definately recommend this route in to law
    I am trying to get a job, in a solicitors office, ie admin, which will enable me to work my way up. I understand that I'd probably be better off doing ILEX, but I don't want to start studying, paying out loads and be unable to get a job!!!!

    All I want is a lil job (nothing major) that will enable to earn whilst I learn!
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    What about trying to get a job with the probation service (or meanwhile volunteering to act as an appropriate adult)?
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    What about trying to get a job with the probation service (or meanwhile volunteering to act as an appropriate adult)?
    Probation service in my local area are NOT recruiting (they haven't recruited since 2007), and I already do volunteering @ my local Crown Court! I have also done work experience in the Magistrates Court and Youth Court (the youth court isn't easy, well it's virtually non existent for students to gain the experience that I did). I'm in my mid 20s, and tbh although I do enjoy volunteering work, it's now time for me to actually get a paid job. I could do all the volunteering in the world, but right now my priority is to get a job within the legal arena and go from there.

    Thank you for your suggestion though.
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    (Original post by DancinBallerina)
    Probation service in my local area are NOT recruiting (they haven't recruited since 2007)
    ... but right now my priority is to get a job within the legal arena and go from there.
    Well, if there are simply no local jobs, does common sense not dictate that you ought to look nationally?.. To be frank, I don't see what the problem is: are you just waiting for a non-existent job to appear?.. I know enough people who, in their mid-20s, moved hundreds of miles for a job; is there some practical reason you can't?
 
 
 
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