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    (Original post by zjs)
    The highlight was the two of us guys picking holes in it and laughing at its ridiculousness in a near-enough running commentary, much to the annoyance of the girl we watched it with.
    And the holes you picked were?
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    (Original post by ChessMister)
    And the holes you picked were?
    I think this considered review explains it best.
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    (Original post by zjs)
    I think this considered review explains it best.
    This movie is horrendous. I created an IMDB account for the sole purpose of stating how much I hated this movie. I don't care if you think they are aliens, angels, albinos, or whatever....this movie is dumb.
    SPOILERS i completely agree!! some scenes were done well, i especially enjoyed the first major disaster when he realizes the missing numbers are locations, and the plane crashes..that was chilling and entertaining.

    as the movie dragged on, and i mean really dragged on, i became more and more disappointed.
    His manager should sue him. Cage is quite possibly the most talentless hack working in Hollyweird. If he weren't connected he would be a sales manager in Utah.
    First three.


    IMDB diatribes- when you don't understand the concept of a plot hole.
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    (Original post by ChessMister)
    First three.


    IMDB diatribes- when you don't understand the concept of a plot hole.
    I was citing it sarcastically, tbh.

    The film wasn't memorable enough to relate to you all the problems with the plot and acting that were brought up at the time. I can remember precisely none of them, but I won't be watching it again to refresh my memory.
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    Cage is a talentless hack? That's not true at all, I mean, he's been in some awful movies, but then again he was brilliant in Face Off, Raising Arizona, Wild at Heart and Bad Lieutenant. I'm sure he's also been brilliant in other films.
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    Why do so many people think its weird to go to the cinema alone?

    There's been a couple of arguments in the SB today about it.
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    (Original post by cambo211)
    Why do so many people think its weird to go to the cinema alone?

    There's been a couple of arguments in the SB today about it.
    Yeah I've noticed a lot of people see it as a social experience that you'd never do alone like eating in a restaurant but... it's watching a film!
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    I'm not too sure what to say about Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon. For the first half of the film it was utter crap with Shia running around and acting like a whingy teenager. There were so many unnecessary characters and plot threads. The dialogue retains the same cringe factor, null humour and sub-par acting. The action that happens in the last hour (which everyone said makes the film somewhat better) was also a muddle and ultimately felt like a good 10 minute action scene dragged out for an hour with soldiers randomly wandering around and robots blowing up everything in sight. I actually got deja vu with the plot of the first two films tbh. It's always the same with some CIA or high ranking official and Transformer technology that both sides are after. It's been used 3 times now.

    There were one or two 'emotional' scenes (I know right?) in the film which I thought were done quite well but apart from that, I would agree with the consensus of it being a sexist, racist and glamorised car porno.
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    (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
    I'm not too sure what to say about Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon. For the first half of the film it was utter crap with Shia running around and acting like a whingy teenager. There were so many unnecessary characters and plot threads. The dialogue retains the same cringe factor, null humour and sub-par acting. The action that happens in the last hour (which everyone said makes the film somewhat better) was also a muddle and ultimately felt like a good 10 minute action scene dragged out for an hour with soldiers randomly wandering around and robots blowing up everything in sight. I actually got deja vu with the plot of the first two films tbh. It's always the same with some CIA or high ranking official and Transformer technology that both sides are after. It's been used 3 times now.

    There were one or two 'emotional' scenes (I know right?) in the film which I thought were done quite well but apart from that, I would agree with the consensus of it being a sexist, racist and glamorised car porno.
    Called it.
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    (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
    I'm not too sure what to say about Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon. For the first half of the film it was utter crap with Shia running around and acting like a whingy teenager. There were so many unnecessary characters and plot threads. The dialogue retains the same cringe factor, null humour and sub-par acting. The action that happens in the last hour (which everyone said makes the film somewhat better) was also a muddle and ultimately felt like a good 10 minute action scene dragged out for an hour with soldiers randomly wandering around and robots blowing up everything in sight. I actually got deja vu with the plot of the first two films tbh. It's always the same with some CIA or high ranking official and Transformer technology that both sides are after. It's been used 3 times now.

    There were one or two 'emotional' scenes (I know right?) in the film which I thought were done quite well but apart from that, I would agree with the consensus of it being a sexist, racist and glamorised car porno.
    I agree apart from scenes being done well lol
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    (Original post by Sonny_J_D)
    Apropo of nothing:
    Superhero film wise I really enjoyed First Class (For a number of reasons: it felt more like a spy movie, which to me makes it much better than your average superhero one and MacAvoy and Fassbender are fantastic)
    Exactly what I thought. I got a lot of Bond vibes from the villain.

    (Original post by Sonny_J_D)
    I say good on Harrison for that - admittedly I'm one of the few who don't thoroughly hate Crystal Skull but Shia was very obviously trying to score some easy credibility with his detractors by agreeing with them. Even if he did think it was terrible, as Ford said it's an actors duty to sell the film they're in, whatever their personal feelings. To be honest, that's one thing I respect Nic Cage for - he's been in (more often than not) some pretty bad films, but he will never outright state that they were terrible.
    He's doing that with every film too. Didn't he criticise Transformers 2 and Wall Street as well? I mean, I know Transformers 2 is a terrible movie, but it just doesn't seem very professional and it's not exactly promoting the films.

    (Original post by ChessMister)
    Any fans of Knowing? I hear a lot of criticism against Cage (in general) and Knowing, but I thought it was a good film, if a tad depressing.
    I thought it was a decent film tbh. The ending ruined it for me. A bit like I Am Legend.

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    Called it.
    (Original post by cadaeibfeceh)
    I agree apart from scenes being done well lol
    Looking at the title for the third film, Dark of the Moon, I'm getting the niggle (and I also heard this being mentioned on a podcast) that the film was supposed to be called Dark Side of the Moon before Pink Floyd's lawyers got in touch. Suspicions were somewhat confirmed when the phrase 'dark side of the moon' is tossed around several times in the film.

    I feel like I must cleanse myself by now going and watching 3 good films.
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    Riverside are showih Once Upon a Time in the west today, has anyone here
    seen it ?
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    (Original post by Le Mans McQueen)
    Riverside are showih Once Upon a Time in the west today, has anyone here
    seen it ?
    It's the best Western that has ever been made.
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    The thing about Shia LaBeouf is that while it's true that "he can't promote a film without making a **** out of himself", he still does a damn good job of promoting films. Just think about how many column inches were filled by him telling the world that he managed to cop off with Megan Fox while she still had a boyfriend that then inevitably mentioned the fact that the new Transformers film was coming out.

    It's not pretty and it's certainly not professional but I can't imagine the studios are too disappointed with him.
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    (Original post by Madjackismad)
    Cage is a talentless hack? That's not true at all, I mean, he's been in some awful movies, but then again he was brilliant in Face Off, Raising Arizona, Wild at Heart and Bad Lieutenant. I'm sure he's also been brilliant in other films.

    Yes. He's also great in Adaptation, Lord of War, Leaving Las Vegas, Matchstick Men, Kickass, etc. The former is probably among the best films of the last twenty years. Nicolas Cage's problem has never been lack of talent. I think a lot of it is doing what's good for his pocketbook, but it's worth noting that the roles he takes in crap films also happen to be totally awesome: in the last few years he's been a wizard, a crusader knight, an escapee from hell, a flaming skull of vengeance on a goddamn motorbike, an assassin, and a carbon copy of Indiana Jones.

    Clearly the man has a lot of fun coasting along in these ridiculous parts, and who can blame him?
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    (Original post by Madjackismad)
    Cage is a talentless hack? That's not true at all, I mean, he's been in some awful movies, but then again he was brilliant in Face Off, Raising Arizona, Wild at Heart and Bad Lieutenant. I'm sure he's also been brilliant in other films.
    Don't try and justify a reasoned response to imdb's 'comments'. I was citing the vitriolic, moronic, comments in a tongue-in-cheek manner.

    (Original post by Phalanges)
    The thing about Shia LaBeouf is that while it's true that "he can't promote a film without making a **** out of himself", he still does a damn good job of promoting films. Just think about how many column inches were filled by him telling the world that he managed to cop off with Megan Fox while she still had a boyfriend that then inevitably mentioned the fact that the new Transformers film was coming out.

    It's not pretty and it's certainly not professional but I can't imagine the studios are too disappointed with him.
    Did you take that quote from the article on Cracked? :holmes:

    Sadly, though, it might be indicative of a new standard of 'professionalism'; i.e. a total lack of it.
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    (Original post by zjs)
    I don't think you actually need to see a film like Transformers to rubbish it. You've seen the first film and you've seen them all. A quick read up on whatever direction they've decided to take the 'plot' to make it entirely nonsensical and as jampacked with explosion porn as possible is sufficient to knock shades out of the film, rather than enduring the generic, boring, CGI fest and paying for the dubious privilege.

    If you're looking at pure action films, don't choose a festering turd like Transformers. Mates liking and talking about it isn't really a good reason to try and 'get into' a film like Transformers. Go for classic action: Rambo, Die Hard, Bruce Lee films, Ong-Bak etc. Statham films if you have to, but I've definitely forgotten a whole host of good action films (or, at least, action films with a point beyond "CGIexplosionCGIexplosionTIT S").
    That might be true in practice, but I'd almost certainly continue to be irked by the fact that I can't really make a proper assessment of it if I haven't seen it. It's a bit like what you posted earlier about how even people who haven't seen The Godfather will probably assert that it's a great movie. I'd like to be able to try and say why it's good/****. Ah well, I suppose it's something I'll have to mull over a little more. (Also, thanks for the list in your second paragraph - I hadn't heard about Ong-Bak. Are there any particular Bruce Lee films you'd recommend?)

    Speaking of The Godfather, I finally went and bought the book today. I've resisted watching the film until now because I wanted to read the book first (though I'm now beginning to question the merits of this principle); I'll probably be stating it today.

    Furthermore, while I was out bookshopping, I was ambling along a 'books for sale' section of second/third-hand books, when I chanced upon the screenplay for Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back! :eek: I didn't know stuff like that was published. I bought it, of course.

    Finally, I watched Carlito's Way last night. The first De Palma film I've watched, and I really liked it - it wasn't prefect, some of the acting was a bit patchy and a couple of parts seemed pretty implausible, but I felt the cinematography was very strong and some parts were really well directed - the chase scene at the end, for instance. I think a central part of the reason I liked it was the fact that the film developed in me a strong sense of empathy for Carlito - towards the end, I really wanted him to succeed at what he was doing, and this made most other things work well as well (the aforementioned chase scene, for instance). Also, Sean Penn was really good in it. :yep:
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    (Original post by zjs)
    Did you take that quote from the article on Cracked? :holmes:

    Sadly, though, it might be indicative of a new standard of 'professionalism'; i.e. a total lack of it.
    No, it was something that Harrison Ford said a while ago. I don't read Cracked.

    I don't think it is particularly indicative, there have been idiots throughout history and they still remain a minority (albeit a very vocal one).
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    (Original post by Phalanges)
    No, it was something that Harrison Ford said a while ago. I don't read Cracked.

    I don't think it is particularly indicative, there have been idiots throughout history and they still remain a minority (albeit a very vocal one).
    Was just because Cracked titled their article along the lines of that Ford quote and discussed it in relation to LaBeouf in Indiana Jones and then Transformers. :dontknow:

    I don't think it's particularly moronic though. It's certainly ****-ish, and he might not entirely be intending to promote the film, but it makes corporate sense. As much as that makes me shudder, I can see the film companies jumping on it. Obviously, as you say, they're hardly unhappy about it, but if they step-in to ensure he does it, or feed him a certain line/soundbite on the film, then I think it could start to set a precedent with similar types of actors. Fortunately, I don't think it's anything other than a minority, but I could see it being exploited as a promotion technique.
 
 
 
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