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    Im a huge fan of black and whites with great actors like Judy Garland, Gene Kelly etc

    and musicals
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    (Original post by Revent)
    Really? :eek: I honestly can't think of a film (other than Avatar) that has better SFX :erm: I guess maybe it looks really sleek and what not because of the black and shiny blue stuff making it look futuristic :p: But even then, I still can't think of anything off the top of my head with better SFX. Maybe the one with the girls/prostitues, can't remember the name, she starts dancing and goes into her fantasy world.
    Well, I suppose because I can't really judge them on a technical level, I tend to look at them in terms of how well they seem (to me) to fit in with the rest of the film, and maybe even complement it. So if asked, I'd say I was more impressed with the SFX on the likes of Blade Runner or Moon than Tron: Legacy: in the last, there were just things that seemed off/glitchy/imperfect to me. :dontknow:

    I think one of the more impressive pieces of SFX I've seen lately has actually been in Captain America. :p: I'm talking, of course, about skinny Chris Evans. I didn't know that they were using SFX, and I didn't find out until after the films when I looked it up.

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    Im a huge fan of black and whites with great actors like Judy Garland, Gene Kelly etc

    and musicals
    Welcome to the Film forum!

    Speaking of B/W, I need to watch Metropolis again.
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    (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
    Sucker Punch? That had the typical 300 esque special effects. Nothing special.

    I'd say Prometheus is up there with Tron: Legacy in terms of gorgeous special effects/cinematography.
    Yeah, that's the name. It was so crap I forgot the name and I haven't seen it yet, don't think it's out for much longer at the cinemas so going to have to use my other methods... :ninja: wait for the DVD :p:

    (Original post by Abiraleft)
    Well, I suppose because I can't really judge them on a technical level, I tend to look at them in terms of how well they seem (to me) to fit in with the rest of the film, and maybe even complement it. So if asked, I'd say I was more impressed with the SFX on the likes of Blade Runner or Moon than Tron: Legacy: in the last, there were just things that seemed off/glitchy/imperfect to me. :dontknow:

    I think one of the more impressive pieces of SFX I've seen lately has actually been in Captain America. :p: I'm talking, of course, about skinny Chris Evans. I didn't know that they were using SFX, and I didn't find out until after the films when I looked it up.



    Welcome to the Film forum!

    Speaking of B/W, I need to watch Metropolis again.
    Fair enough :lol: But I guess there are different categories of CGI in that sense because even something like the social network has CGI, similar to what they did with the Cap when he was skinny. I guess there's CGI added for realism such that you don't really notice it (ie the Cap or the twins in social network) whilst the CGI I have in mind is for surrealism which is obviously noticeable. Haven't seen Blade Runner and never heard of Moon

    Technicality wise, Tron was VERY complex :p: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs25/f/20...e389569048.jpg someone I know from a gfx designs forum actually made it and I remember him mentioning it took him FOREVER to model all of that :p: And that's just a still :laugh:
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    (Original post by Abiraleft)
    So, Brave opening to just lukewarm reviews. One review says it doesn't take any risks, which basically means it isn't very innovative. Pixar in decline? :holmes:
    I wonder if critics are being overly harsh because of expectations from a Pixar film. Even though it is not a typical Pixar film, it seems like it might be at least as good as Disney's Tangled.

    Though we also had Cars 2 last year... I wouldn't say it's in decline, it's more that they aren't getting the production and creative process right, like they have with previous films. Maybe this was an experimentation process for them. Even when they were making awesome films, I wouldn't say Finding Nemo or Cars were as good films as people, generally and in this thread, make them out to be. They were pretty average animated films and certainly not up there with Toy Story, Ratatouille, Wall-E, Monsters Inc and Up. Though quite a few people would disagree with that so the quality of their catalogue does lend to some debate.

    We have Monster University (prequel to Monsters Inc) next year too.
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    (Original post by Abiraleft)
    I won't claim to be knowledgeable at all about SFX, but the ones in Tron: Legacy really didn't do anything for me. I was actually really underwhelmed. :nothing:
    Agreed, I wasn't very impressed with the look of Legacy. Individual elements were clearly designed well, but as an ensemble it all looked so bland and uninviting. It also really wasn't helped by the 3D, because it didn't appear that the filmmakers gave too much consideration to the film having that extra dimension so it all looked very flat, particularly when compared to Avatar. Underwhelming is a very good word for it.
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    (Original post by Revent)
    Tron: Legacy? :erm:
    yeah there was a certain *SPLUTTER*... NEW MONITOR PLEASE down my way also. I went to see it twice because the soundtrack was very decent and because, well, I just love most things Tron. It was a bit of a stinker though - not the worst film I saw that year, but definitely not much good either. I find the main problem was that they just didn't break ground from the original. A movie for computer geeks in '82 that pointed torwards where computers and movies would take us. It was dazzlingly inventive back then and while it probably alienated so many people it would never be a great success or even considered a great film, it did light the way. Problem is, Legacy just followed in its footsteps. sure, it looked great (to my untrained eye!) and sounded great, but it didn't quietly go about breaking new ground. For that reason I reckon you have to drag yourself back to '82, or do some research if you weren't about then (I guess most weren't) and watch the original.

    And on that note I gotta say that i'm surprised at how many really great sci fi films are missing from the above lists. There's some great ones up there, but they're almost all post '95, and the seventies and even 80's produced many if not most of the greatest sci fi films I know of.

    I've yet to come across one in the last few years that felt really, really great. But many of those mentioned above were really good.
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    yeah there was a certain *SPLUTTER*... NEW MONITOR PLEASE down my way also. I went to see it twice because the soundtrack was very decent and because, well, I just love most things Tron. It was a bit of a stinker though - not the worst film I saw that year, but definitely not much good either. I find the main problem was that they just didn't break ground from the original. A movie for computer geeks in '82 that pointed torwards where computers and movies would take us. It was dazzlingly inventive back then and while it probably alienated so many people it would never be a great success or even considered a great film, it did light the way. Problem is, Legacy just followed in its footsteps. sure, it looked great and sounded great, but it didn't quietly go about breaking new ground. For that reason I reckon you have to drag yourself back to '82, or do some research if you weren't about then (I guess most weren't) and watch the original.
    Tron was inventive and it broke ground, yes, so it's interesting to examine it from that perspective. But it's an absolutely terrible film to go back now and watch. It has not aged well, which is a stark contrast to a lot of other science fiction films from that time and before that time.
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    Been watching the Viggo Mortensen back catalogue over the last few days (well, more backlog of his films that I'd been meaning to see); The Road, A History of Violence, Eastern Promises. I would say that the man needs more leading roles, as he does, but - at the same time - he tends to only play central roles (or, at least in the '00s and since) in interesting, good, films. Wouldn't want him to buck that trend.

    Though, having said that, The Road definitely has one of the single worst endings in recent cinema history.
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    (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
    But it's an absolutely terrible film to go back now and watch. It has not aged well, which is a stark contrast to a lot of other science fiction films from that time and before that time.
    Hmm, I think that's especially harsh. It was a resonably dispassionate, techie film when it came out and that certainly alienated the majority of a general audience. And it was very much of its age. So to say that it's aged terribly feels a little obvious. I guess an example of a similarish film that will probably age much better is 'The Social Network', a film that's very much of its time but sets out to be anything but dispassionate, closely examining human behaviour throughout and as a story, structured and told excellently. Tron will never age well in that respect because by comparison it's so heavily based on the technical. I think tron is a film that i'm also a little biased about as I do get quite sentimental when I watch it.
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    (Original post by zjs)
    Though, having said that, The Road definitely has one of the single worst endings in recent cinema history.
    If I can recommend anyone one thing, it would be do not drink two double espressos and go to the cinema to see The Road. Tough, a very tough, frustrating experience. Such was the bleakness of that film, i'm amazed I was allowed even a chair to sit in. I tried to buy some popcorn and fizzy drink and they would only serve me muddy water and some old twigs.
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    Filled up my wall, very happy with it! Also, I will NOT apologize for the inclusion of Titanic and various other questionable films, they all hold a certain sentimental value for me.

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    stand by me.

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    (Original post by Mister Dead)
    yeah there was a certain *SPLUTTER*... NEW MONITOR PLEASE down my way also. I went to see it twice because the soundtrack was very decent and because, well, I just love most things Tron. It was a bit of a stinker though - not the worst film I saw that year, but definitely not much good either. I find the main problem was that they just didn't break ground from the original. A movie for computer geeks in '82 that pointed torwards where computers and movies would take us. It was dazzlingly inventive back then and while it probably alienated so many people it would never be a great success or even considered a great film, it did light the way. Problem is, Legacy just followed in its footsteps. sure, it looked great (to my untrained eye!) and sounded great, but it didn't quietly go about breaking new ground. For that reason I reckon you have to drag yourself back to '82, or do some research if you weren't about then (I guess most weren't) and watch the original.

    And on that note I gotta say that i'm surprised at how many really great sci fi films are missing from the above lists. There's some great ones up there, but they're almost all post '95, and the seventies and even 80's produced many if not most of the greatest sci fi films I know of.

    I've yet to come across one in the last few years that felt really, really great. But many of those mentioned above were really good.
    It didn't have a strong story, and there wasn't enough character depth, the protagonist is a guy who constantly sabotages his fathers companies stuff or something like that. :dontknow: I would've thought the son of some super rich guy would've been...more? :erm: Parallel I can think of is Bruce from Batman, sorta similar, but he's so much more. :lol:
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    (Original post by Revent)
    It didn't have a strong story, and there wasn't enough character depth
    this is an accusation that can also be leveled at the original, but i'm more prepared to accept that because of its fixation with the technical. It didn't seem to care too much for character depth or story (for obvious reasons). Whereas Legacy apparently did, but the quality of characters and script was poor.
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    A few sci fi films/tv that I have seen and enjoyed and that haven't been mentioned yet are:

    Silent Running
    La Jetee
    Brazil
    The Last Train
    The Quiet Earth
    Threads
    Dark Star
    Repo Man
    Collossus: The Forbin Project
    Blakes 7
    The Twilight Zone
    The Prisoner
    Mad Max 2

    they're mostly 70/80's. I didn't bother to list any 90's/00's as everyone seems to be fairly up on those already. There are hundreds of decent sci-fi/dystopia from the 70's but these are just a few of the better known ones I enjoyed.
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    The Repo Man
    I really loved it
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    Repo Man (not to be confused with Repo Men) is one of the funniest cinema films i've ever seen. One of those film that's best watched in a cinema full of merry people on a saturday night. Just a really fun, silly film.

    "Ordinary ****ing people, I hate 'em"

    love it
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    I apologise, I did confuse it with Repo Men.My bad
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    Yeah its a very easy mistake to make but they are definitely not the same film! Repo Man Is early/mid 80's and stars a young Emilio Estevez. Its usually after i've drunkedly mis-quoted several lines and drooled for about fifteen minutes on about how sorely underated it is that the person i'm talking to says 'oh I think we're talking about different films.
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    Just finished watching the newest Star Trek film. I found it quite enjoyable except for the attempts at slapstick and horribly forced humour
 
 
 
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