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    (Original post by Mo-Amin)
    Technically six books, that came in the form of three volumes.

    Yeah it is pretty long, which can be quite a put-off for the average cinema-goer.
    Personally I thought the time was well-spent.
    I guess as a film it was pretty flawed but I was just so happy to be in Middle-Earth that I didn't care about them at all.

    I've just watched Waltz With Bashir and Evil Dead II, both brilliant.
    Especially the former, loved how powerful and hard-hitting it was, how well presented and animated it was. Even the music was great, the film is surely a must-watch for anyone.
    It was still a good movie, but making the audience wait twice for a conclusion is a bit meh.

    And I started watching Waltz With Bashir, but didn't like the cartoon thing.
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    (Original post by danny111)
    Yes!

    Brilliant film. Zach Galifianakis (spelling) is supberb in it, I laughed a lot due to him even though it is a serious film really.
    It is a brilliant film I laughed quite a bit in it too!
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    (Original post by danny111)
    Or maybe because he made 3 books into 3 movies and now 1 book into 3 movies?

    It's too long.
    I really don't understand this criticism. The film is shorter than all the Lord of the Rings films, and far more happens in The Hobbit than Fellowship of the Ring (which also had a far slower start).

    It's too premature to judge whether it should or shouldn't be three films (and how many times do people have to say the film s are more than just the hobbit book?) I certainly didn't think they could fit anymore into the film, and it was a very convenient place to end in terms of story arc.


    All in all, I don't think there are many things wrong with The Hobbit that weren't wrong with Lord of the Rings. So either people are excusing LotR for things they are criticising The Hobbit for, or they should have realised how it was going to be after the first three films.
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    (Original post by Svenjamin)
    I really don't understand this criticism. The film is shorter than all the Lord of the Rings films, and far more happens in The Hobbit than Fellowship of the Ring (which also had a far slower start).

    It's too premature to judge whether it should or shouldn't be three films (and how many times do people have to say the film s are more than just the hobbit book?) I certainly didn't think they could fit anymore into the film, and it was a very convenient place to end in terms of story arc.


    All in all, I don't think there are many things wrong with The Hobbit that weren't wrong with Lord of the Rings. So either people are excusing LotR for things they are criticising The Hobbit for, or they should have realised how it was going to be after the first three films.
    Well, a couple of criticisms I would make off the top of my head:

    - I thought it felt really centre-less and thus a bit wobbly in terms of narrative. Bilbo wasn't really the star performer like he is in the book - which isn't bad in itself, but the film wasn't tight enough without a narrative anchor and at times seemed to come close to going off course completely.

    - I think Jackson did intend to lose a small (ha ha) narrative centre, and wanted to make the story 'bigger' and more encompassing. Basically, I think he went too far and got a bit too ambitious. This was never going to be as big as Lord of the Rings because the scope isn't as large as that of Lord of the Rings.

    - The dwarves were really underwritten cardboard characters for the most part, with either a generic comic-relief mode or a 'we miss our home' mode. That may be their main 'place' in the story, but it shouldn't be that obvious or limited in terms of acting. As a result, there was a general lack of human (you know what I mean :rolleyes:) dynamic between characters.

    - And partly as a result (or perhaps a cause) of the above, much of the interactions between characters was really generic and formula-based. It wasn't particularly well-written. The Thorin-Bilbo relationship is the obvious one here, and there were also a number of other moments that played out like poorly executed sitcoms.

    I'll hopefully be doing a proper review of it soon-ish. :beard:


    Also, I did think it was fairly enjoyable - the above may sound a bit harsh because it's all selected criticisms.
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    (Original post by Abiraleft)
    Well, a couple of criticisms I would make off the top of my head:

    - I thought it felt really centre-less and thus a bit wobbly in terms of narrative. Bilbo wasn't really the star performer like he is in the book - which isn't bad in itself, but the film wasn't tight enough without a narrative anchor and at times seemed to come close to going off course completely.

    - I think Jackson did intend to lose a small (ha ha) narrative centre, and wanted to make the story 'bigger' and more encompassing. Basically, I think he went too far and got a bit too ambitious. This was never going to be as big as Lord of the Rings because the scope isn't as large as that of Lord of the Rings.

    - The dwarves were really underwritten cardboard characters for the most part, with either a generic comic-relief mode or a 'we miss our home' mode. That may be their main 'place' in the story, but it shouldn't be that obvious or limited in terms of acting. As a result, there was a general lack of human (you know what I mean :rolleyes:) dynamic between characters.

    - And partly as a result (or perhaps a cause) of the above, much of the interactions between characters was really generic and formula-based. It wasn't particularly well-written. The Thorin-Bilbo relationship is the obvious one here, and there were also a number of other moments that played out like poorly executed sitcoms.

    I'll hopefully be doing a proper review of it soon-ish. :beard:


    Also, I did think it was fairly enjoyable - the above may sound a bit harsh because it's all selected criticisms.

    I agree the dwarves weren't fleshed out terribly well. Looking at Fellowship, a lot of the characters were generic, but developed a lot in the later films (particularly Merry and Pippin) so I'm hoping that'll be the case again. It is going to be more difficult though, since the characters in LotR all split up for their individual characterisation. Having 13 dwarves together the entire time is going to be much more difficult to show personalities.

    I really liked how they made the story bigger. In the book I did always wonder why Gandalf got himself involved in everyone else's business (why get involved in the dwarves at all?), but the film showed the wizards as almost demi-gods guiding the fates. It should have plenty to expand on in future films, and to be honest this was the main part of the plot that made me think three films really could work.
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    (Original post by aja89)
    Quite glad to say I haven't seen any of those films!

    The two worst films that come to mind that I have seen this year are Dark Shadows and Ted.
    Agree completely about Ted. I am a massive Family Guy fan, but Ted was such a disappointment. Embarrasingly un-funny.

    I don't think I saw many real stinkers in 2012. It was a fantastically good year for films, I'd say
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    (Original post by Plato's Trousers)
    Agree completely about Ted. I am a massive Family Guy fan, but Ted was such a disappointment. Embarrasingly un-funny.

    I don't think I saw many real stinkers in 2012. It was a fantastically good year for films, I'd say
    Ghost Rider 2 :afraid: Never have I ever fallen asleep in a cinema :lol:
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    (Original post by Revent)
    Ghost Rider 2 :afraid: Never have I ever fallen asleep in a cinema :lol:
    umm... if you went to see that, I have no sympathy, my friend
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    (Original post by Revent)
    Ghost Rider 2 :afraid: Never have I ever fallen asleep in a cinema :lol:
    Well, at least you've donated to the charity of Nicholas Cage's tax fund!
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    (Original post by Svenjamin)
    Well, at least you've donated to the charity of Nicholas Cage's tax fund!
    (Original post by Plato's Trousers)
    umm... if you went to see that, I have no sympathy, my friend
    Yeah, that actually gets the award for worst film I've seen since I came to the UK :p: However, there are quite a few 'stinkers' this year. Chronicle with it's over the top crazy maniac character (apex predator? :lolwut: ), This Means War with it's ****ty story and acting (Top CIA agents, but such **** ups?), Haywire (typical plot, well done, she found the last guy who plotted against her at the end), Wrath of the Titans (cool action, but that's as far as it goes, preparing to plan war at the end because she sees perceus coming towards her?), American Reunion (same **** again and again, we see Stifler is still an immature ****, that's it?), Dark Shadows (the woman was really obsessing over the guy for 200 years? :laugh: , The Dictator (I have no words for this, I think they just threw a bunch of jokes about Muslims, Jews, Arabs and Americans together and called it a film).


    Okay I think I'll stop now :p: Sad thing is, I actually pay to watch all of my movies in the cinema :laugh: But Battlefield was definitely not the worst film I saw!
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    Has anyone seen Keith Lemon: The Film? Now THAT is what I call a terrible movie :mad:
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    (Original post by Revent)
    Yeah, that actually gets the award for worst film I've seen since I came to the UK :p: However, there are quite a few 'stinkers' this year. Chronicle with it's over the top crazy maniac character (apex predator? :lolwut: ), This Means War with it's ****ty story and acting (Top CIA agents, but such **** ups?), Haywire (typical plot, well done, she found the last guy who plotted against her at the end), Wrath of the Titans (cool action, but that's as far as it goes, preparing to plan war at the end because she sees perceus coming towards her?), American Reunion (same **** again and again, we see Stifler is still an immature ****, that's it?), Dark Shadows (the woman was really obsessing over the guy for 200 years? :laugh: , The Dictator (I have no words for this, I think they just threw a bunch of jokes about Muslims, Jews, Arabs and Americans together and called it a film).


    Okay I think I'll stop now :p: Sad thing is, I actually pay to watch all of my movies in the cinema :laugh: But Battlefield was definitely not the worst film I saw!
    haywire was okay, no? i mean seriously, how many hollywood films have predictable outcomes? it wasn't amazing and i wouldn go to the cinema for it but definitely watchable...compare it to some of the other films you mentioned who i wouldn't even watch at all if i was bored.
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    (Original post by danny111)
    haywire was okay, no? i mean seriously, how many hollywood films have predictable outcomes? it wasn't amazing and i wouldn go to the cinema for it but definitely watchable...compare it to some of the other films you mentioned who i wouldn't even watch at all if i was bored.
    Fair enough :p: I did consider leaving it out of my short list, but thought might as well :lol: Probably because the chick wasn't hot :mmm:
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    (Original post by Revent)
    Yeah, that actually gets the award for worst film I've seen since I came to the UK :p: However, there are quite a few 'stinkers' this year. Chronicle with it's over the top crazy maniac character (apex predator? :lolwut: ), This Means War with it's ****ty story and acting (Top CIA agents, but such **** ups?), Haywire (typical plot, well done, she found the last guy who plotted against her at the end), Wrath of the Titans (cool action, but that's as far as it goes, preparing to plan war at the end because she sees perceus coming towards her?), American Reunion (same **** again and again, we see Stifler is still an immature ****, that's it?), Dark Shadows (the woman was really obsessing over the guy for 200 years? :laugh: , The Dictator (I have no words for this, I think they just threw a bunch of jokes about Muslims, Jews, Arabs and Americans together and called it a film).


    Okay I think I'll stop now :p: Sad thing is, I actually pay to watch all of my movies in the cinema :laugh: But Battlefield was definitely not the worst film I saw!
    I quite liked chronicle. Sure it was silly and over the top melodrama but it had great original use of effects, and the finale showed what a live action version of Akira would look like. It was just a nice little premise demonstrated well. I guess I saw it as more of a tech demo, which is absolutely fine since the film is only about 1hr20.
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    (Original post by Revent)
    Fair enough :p: I did consider leaving it out of my short list, but thought might as well :lol: Probably because the chick wasn't hot :mmm:
    I know righ! Sex sells
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    (Original post by Revent)
    Yeah, that actually gets the award for worst film I've seen since I came to the UK :p: However, there are quite a few 'stinkers' this year. Chronicle with it's over the top crazy maniac character (apex predator? :lolwut: ), This Means War with it's ****ty story and acting (Top CIA agents, but such **** ups?), Haywire (typical plot, well done, she found the last guy who plotted against her at the end), Wrath of the Titans (cool action, but that's as far as it goes, preparing to plan war at the end because she sees perceus coming towards her?), American Reunion (same **** again and again, we see Stifler is still an immature ****, that's it?), Dark Shadows (the woman was really obsessing over the guy for 200 years? :laugh: , The Dictator (I have no words for this, I think they just threw a bunch of jokes about Muslims, Jews, Arabs and Americans together and called it a film).


    Okay I think I'll stop now :p: Sad thing is, I actually pay to watch all of my movies in the cinema :laugh: But Battlefield was definitely not the worst film I saw!
    Well, you certainly do seem to have picked 'em, don't you!

    But there have been some superb films this (ok, last) year. One of the best year's for movies that I can remember

    Martha, Marcy May, Marlene
    Holy Motors
    The Dark Knight Rises
    Berberian Sound Studio
    Amour
    Sightseers
    Killing them softly
    The Angel's Share
    Polisse
    Nostalgia for the light
    Prometheus
    Hunger Games
    Skyfall
    Once upon a time in Anatolia
    We need to talk about Kevin
    Rust and bone
    Seeking a friend for the end of the world
    Take this waltz
    Savages
    Killer Joe
    Cosmopolis
    Lawless
    Anna Karenina
    A Royal Affair
    The Hunt
    End of Watch
    Looper
    Frankenweenie
    Argo
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    (Original post by Plato's Trousers)
    Well, you certainly do seem to have picked 'em, don't you!

    But there have been some superb films this (ok, last) year. One of the best year's for movies that I can remember

    Martha, Marcy May, Marlene
    Holy Motors
    The Dark Knight Rises
    Berberian Sound Studio
    Amour
    Sightseers
    Killing them softly
    The Angel's Share
    Polisse
    Nostalgia for the light
    Prometheus
    Hunger Games
    Skyfall
    Once upon a time in Anatolia
    We need to talk about Kevin
    Rust and bone
    Seeking a friend for the end of the world
    Take this waltz
    Savages
    Killer Joe
    Cosmopolis
    Lawless
    Anna Karenina
    A Royal Affair
    The Hunt
    End of Watch
    Looper
    Frankenweenie
    Argo
    You, sir, have varied taste. :p: You've included Once Upon a Time in Anatolia, which was probably my favourite film of the year, and then gone and also included Savages, which was possibly my least favourite! :lol:
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    (Original post by Abiraleft)
    You, sir, have varied taste. :p: You've included Once Upon a Time in Anatolia, which was probably my favourite film of the year, and then gone and also included Savages, which was possibly my least favourite! :lol:
    Admittedly, Savages would only just qualify for my list. I hasten to add, it's not the list of my fave films of the year. More the list of the films I consider to be good/well made/of interest.

    Certainly Once Upon a Time... was magnificent and way better than Savages


    BTW I love your avatar. That is one of my top five films of all time...
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    (Original post by Plato's Trousers)
    Admittedly, Savages would only just qualify for my list. I hasten to add, it's not the list of my fave films of the year. More the list of the films I consider to be good/well made/of interest.
    Hmm, I thought Savages was pretty poorly made and had very few if any redeeming qualities myself. :dontknow: I'd be interested to know what about it you thought was well-made!

    Certainly Once Upon a Time... was magnificent and way better than Savages
    It was indeed! I've recently acquired Climates off Amazon as well, so I'm looking forward to seeing it. :yep:

    BTW I love your avatar. That is one of my top five films of all time...
    Thanks! It really is something, 2001 is. :sogood:
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    (Original post by Abiraleft)

    Thanks! It really is something, 2001 is. :sogood:
    Assuredly. Did you ever see my earlier post about it..?

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...63944&page=210

    (go down to post # 4186)
 
 
 
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