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    (Original post by MilkyC)
    The UN should **** off instead of pretending to give a **** about civilians dying, its so painstakingly obvious they just want to ensure their oil resources are all dandy. Let the Arabs sort it out amongst themselves.
    At the cost of many innocent lives? Wow what a horrible person you are.
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    (Original post by imperial maniac)
    This.

    This action has bugger all to do with protecting civilians, they're probably going to bomb a civvy target next and then blame it on Gaddafi using "human shields".

    Totally disproportional and unnecessary, Gaddafi was only attacking civilians who also happened to be planning a coo, civilians that support him can carry on with their normal lives. If you say that's enough to intervene, then why aren't we attacking other countries with military dictators?

    The rebels are probably just as mental as he is, I doubt that western democracy will ever appear in the region by us bombing their cities. All that will happen is Gaddafi will now be able to unite the country against the invading west, we'll have another war over something that is nothing to do with us.
    "Tell the West to destroy Gaddafi slowly, piece by piece by piece, the way he did to us for 40 years," Jamal al-Majbouri, who owns a farm nearby said.

    Words from a Libyan.
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...0?pageNumber=2

    Bahrain and Yemen protestors are not revolting, there's war going on... And the last thing the US wants is its allies turn into enemies, especially that Saudi, one of their closest Ally in the Middle East.
    The Rebels arent as mental as he is, the NTC is composed of opposition politicians, former military officers, tribal leaders, academics and businessmen. How is it crazy for a set of people asking for freedom from Gaddafi's regime then start being shot and defended itself?

    It's always its nothing to do with us. Well if somebody was getting stabbed infront of you and what little they have is taken away from them, would you just say it's nothing to do with you? You wouldnt say that if you're the one being attacked. coward.
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    The hypocrisy of it all stinks to high heavens, the only reason that the UN & Nato is even remotely interested in Libya is because it is right on Europe's border. Where were the no fly zones when Omar al-Bashir used war planes and militias to massacre refugees and rebels in Darfur? Where was the UN when Robert Mugabe's security forces killed and tortured opposition political supporters & white farmers? Why is the US and UN doing absolutely nothing with regards to Yemen where army snipers have opened fire on crowds of pro democracy campaigners? Why is nothing happening to Bahrain which also used lethal force to suppress anti-government protests, and then had the audacity to use military forces to occupy civilians hospitals in defiance of international law? Where is the no fly zone over North Korea a country far more guilty of crimes against its own population than Libya?

    The UN is a hypocritical puppet organisation that only ever acts when it suits Western powers, Europe doesn't fancy having a civil war so close to it's borders so it has manipulated the UN to act.

    It has nothing to do with protecting civilians, that the West even dares to mutter these words is an insult to the tens of thousands that have died past and present. If the West was interested in protecting civilians from oppressive regimes where is the action for the countries I have listed above? The Silence is deafening.
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    (Original post by Brandmon)
    Note people, that the West would have had easy access to the oil if they simply supported Gaddafi. Remember when many foreign oil workers pulled out of Libya?

    Also, the oil Libya provides is not at all significant. It could easily be replaced by either getting oil from the Saudis or relying on more Russian oil and gas.

    Top Ten Oil Exporting Countries

    * Saudi Arabia (8.73 million barrels per day)
    * Russia (6.67)
    * Norway (2.91)
    * Iran (2.55)
    * Venezuela (2.36)
    * United Arab Emirates (2.33)
    * Kuwait (2.20)
    * Nigeria (2.19)
    * Mexico (1.80)
    * Algeria (1.68)

    As you can see, the West would have profited more Oil-wise if it made an excuse to invade Algeria.

    So knowing that the "We did it for the oil" is bull****, and the West has no interest to colonise Libya: Yes, I fully support this military action.

    Or remove Gaddafi and have a massive input on the new regime and therefore more say on where the oil goes.
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    (Original post by fire2burn)
    The hypocrisy of it all stinks to high heavens, the only reason that the UN & Nato is even remotely interested in Libya is because it is right on Europe's border. Where were the no fly zones when Omar al-Bashir used war planes and militias to massacre refugees and rebels in Darfur? Where was the UN when Robert Mugabe's security forces killed and tortured opposition political supporters & white farmers? Why is the US and UN doing absolutely nothing with regards to Yemen where army snipers have opened fire on crowds of pro democracy campaigners? Why is nothing happening to Bahrain which also used lethal force to suppress anti-government protests, and then had the audacity to use military forces to occupy civilians hospitals in defiance of international law? Where is the no fly zone over North Korea a country far more guilty of crimes against its own population than Libya?

    The UN is a hypocritical puppet organisation that only ever acts when it suits Western powers, Europe doesn't fancy having a civil war so close to it's borders so it has manipulated the UN to act.

    It has nothing to do with protecting civilians, that the West even dares to mutter these words is an insult to the tens of thousands that have died past and present. If the West was interested in protecting civilians from oppressive regimes where is the action for the countries I have listen above? The Silence is deafening.
    This.

    I agree with intervening, but there are some serious double standards involved.
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    At the cost of many innocent lives? Wow what a horrible person you are.
    Many innocent lives will be lost through the bombardment of airstikes too.
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    Absolutely disagree.

    This is a colonial war just like Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Ok then, let's watch a dictator slaughter thousands of innocent civilians just so we can avoid being called colonialists by some random TSR user.
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    (Original post by Tut.exe)
    "Tell the West to destroy Gaddafi slowly, piece by piece by piece, the way he did to us for 40 years," Jamal al-Majbouri, who owns a farm nearby said.

    Words from a Libyan.
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...0?pageNumber=2

    Bahrain and Yemen protestors are not revolting, there's war going on... And the last thing the US wants is its allies turn into enemies, especially that Saudi, one of their closest Ally in the Middle East.
    The Rebels arent as mental as he is, the NTC is composed of opposition politicians, former military officers, tribal leaders, academics and businessmen. How is it crazy for a set of people asking for freedom from Gaddafi's regime then start being shot and defended itself?

    It's always its nothing to do with us. Well if somebody was getting stabbed infront of you and what little they have is taken away from them, would you just say it's nothing to do with you? You wouldnt say that if you're the one being attacked. coward.
    Yes, if someone was being stabbed in front of me I wouldn't jump in and help them because I'm not moronic and have some idea of self-preservation.
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    Why is everyone suddenly thinking the West are "heroes" again? Has everyone forgot what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan? We were told there were "weapons of mass destruction" and all this other bull**** but look how many innocent people got killed in the end.

    It's funny how the media are able to dictate everyone's feelings so well, people need to wake up and realise how full of **** BBC/sky news etc really are.

    It may well be that Gaddafi is an idiot but who are the west to solve this? If we wanna talk about getting rid of "terrorists" or "oppressors" then go execute Tony Blair and George Bush frst.

    And as for the oil debate, who's not to say Libya is just a starting point and part of the Western strategy to work their way upwards into the more oil-rich country.

    Please people, this is not an attempt to save the innocent people the way the West/media are putting it across. It's simply another attack on a Muslim country and I'm prepared to say many innocent people will die "accidentally".

    watch this space.
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    (Original post by imperial maniac)
    Yes, if someone was being stabbed in front of me I wouldn't jump in and help them because I'm not moronic and have some idea of self-preservation.
    Hahaha now you're a hypocrite. You attack the American Government in its attempt for self-interest and self-preservation and you tell me that you wouldnt help anyone as long as you live.

    This is not a case of self-preservation, the West is well capable of stopping this thief of stabbing his own people.

    idiot.
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    Yes, yet another policy area in which I agree with David Cameron. Like the way he led on this.
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    (Original post by Retrodiction)
    Ok then, let's watch a dictator slaughter thousands of innocent civilians just so we can avoid being called colonialists by some random TSR user.
    Except he isn't slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians, that's just propaganda. There is absolutely no evidence of this.

    And you can't call the rebels innocent civilians when they're carrying guns and in uniform, they are a military organisation and Libya, like any other country, has the right to defend itself.
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    (Original post by fire2burn)
    The hypocrisy of it all stinks to high heavens, the only reason that the UN & Nato is even remotely interested in Libya is because it is right on Europe's border. Where were the no fly zones when Omar al-Bashir used war planes and militias to massacre refugees and rebels in Darfur? Where was the UN when Robert Mugabe's security forces killed and tortured opposition political supporters & white farmers? Why is the US and UN doing absolutely nothing with regards to Yemen where army snipers have opened fire on crowds of pro democracy campaigners? Why is nothing happening to Bahrain which also used lethal force to suppress anti-government protests, and then had the audacity to use military forces to occupy civilians hospitals in defiance of international law? Where is the no fly zone over North Korea a country far more guilty of crimes against its own population than Libya?

    The UN is a hypocritical puppet organisation that only ever acts when it suits Western powers, Europe doesn't fancy having a civil war so close to it's borders so it has manipulated the UN to act.

    It has nothing to do with protecting civilians, that the West even dares to mutter these words is an insult to the tens of thousands that have died past and present. If the West was interested in protecting civilians from oppressive regimes where is the action for the countries I have listed above? The Silence is deafening.
    A normal human being! I am amazed!
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    YES! Freedom to the people. The people will should always have a say on who runs their country and how, not some tyrannical dictator.
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    (Original post by iainthegreat)
    Many innocent lives will be lost through the bombardment of airstikes too.
    You have to be extremely ignorant of both the military hardware being used and what Gadaffi's forces were doing if you think more innocents will die now with UN intervention.
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    (Original post by fire2burn)
    The hypocrisy of it all stinks to high heavens, the only reason that the UN & Nato is even remotely interested in Libya is because it is right on Europe's border. Where were the no fly zones when Omar al-Bashir used war planes and militias to massacre refugees and rebels in Darfur? Where was the UN when Robert Mugabe's security forces killed and tortured opposition political supporters & white farmers? Why is the US and UN doing absolutely nothing with regards to Yemen where army snipers have opened fire on crowds of pro democracy campaigners? Why is nothing happening to Bahrain which also used lethal force to suppress anti-government protests, and then had the audacity to use military forces to occupy civilians hospitals in defiance of international law? Where is the no fly zone over North Korea a country far more guilty of crimes against its own population than Libya?

    The UN is a hypocritical puppet organisation that only ever acts when it suits Western powers, Europe doesn't fancy having a civil war so close to it's borders so it has manipulated the UN to act.

    It has nothing to do with protecting civilians, that the West even dares to mutter these words is an insult to the tens of thousands that have died past and present. If the West was interested in protecting civilians from oppressive regimes where is the action for the countries I have listed above? The Silence is deafening.
    So it's better to let all innocents die then help one country out?
    You are morally deplorable.
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    Except he isn't slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians, that's just propaganda. There is absolutely no evidence of this.

    And you can't call the rebels innocent civilians when they're carrying guns and in uniform, they are a military organisation and Libya, like any other country, has the right to defend itself.
    Yes, because Gaddafi is just sitting by watching peacefully while rebels take over towns and cities and attempt to topple his rule. The rebels are fighting for democracy and they're losing. You can be willing to sit back and watch as the most successful attempt at obtaining democracy is squashed by a murderous power-hungry madman if you want, but if I were you I would be seriously questioning my political and moral compass.
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    You have to be extremely ignorant of both the military hardware being used and what Gadaffi's forces were doing if you think more innocents will die now with UN intervention.
    I know what military hardware is being used, and I think you'll be pretty ignorant to think that innocent people won't die as a result of the recent UN intervention. I've not said whether I agree or disagree with the intervention itself, although I am sceptical about the actual reasoning of getting involved.
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    (Original post by Retrodiction)
    Yes, because Gaddafi is just sitting by watching peacefully while rebels take over towns and cities and attempt to topple his rule. The rebels are fighting for democracy and they're losing. If you're willing to sit back and watch as the most successful attempt at obtaining democracy is squashed by a murderous power-hungry madman if you want, but if I were you I would be seriously questioning my political and moral compass.
    The armed rebels are flying the flag of the old monarchy and carrying pictures of the old King Idris so you can cut the democracy crap.

    And if you are such a big fan of democracy then you would just have to accept that the majority of Libyans are content with Gadaffi's leadership and as democracy says, the majority is always right.
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    (Original post by fire2burn)
    The hypocrisy of it all stinks to high heavens, the only reason that the UN & Nato is even remotely interested in Libya is because it is right on Europe's border. Where were the no fly zones when Omar al-Bashir used war planes and militias to massacre refugees and rebels in Darfur? Where was the UN when Robert Mugabe's security forces killed and tortured opposition political supporters & white farmers? Why is the US and UN doing absolutely nothing with regards to Yemen where army snipers have opened fire on crowds of pro democracy campaigners? Why is nothing happening to Bahrain which also used lethal force to suppress anti-government protests, and then had the audacity to use military forces to occupy civilians hospitals in defiance of international law? Where is the no fly zone over North Korea a country far more guilty of crimes against its own population than Libya?

    The UN is a hypocritical puppet organisation that only ever acts when it suits Western powers, Europe doesn't fancy having a civil war so close to it's borders so it has manipulated the UN to act.

    It has nothing to do with protecting civilians, that the West even dares to mutter these words is an insult to the tens of thousands that have died past and present. If the West was interested in protecting civilians from oppressive regimes where is the action for the countries I have listed above? The Silence is deafening.
    (Original post by scriggy)
    This.

    I agree with intervening, but there are some serious double standards involved.
    (Original post by morris743)
    A normal human being! I am amazed!
    If you look at why the war stopped in North Korea, it's because the Chinese assisted them and to fight for it would cost to unify the two states. China would see it as a capitalist invasion and could end up another costly war. The people of North Korea does not seem to act against its government so the UN dont really have grounds to complain about.

    People need to know that politics isn't that straight forward. To intervene costs, with a person having only two arms he cant really catch everyone thats falling. They'd have to simply choose which ones they deem is best helped.

    Those that you mention, you need to research about them before putting them on topic. They're not all that easy. I hate writing essays, when you have google.

    Sending troops to locations, and them dying on those locations costs the government who sent those security forces. The families would complain as to why did they send to a foreign country "thats nothing to do with them".

    The west has already been seen as "colonialists" whenever they try to say or act against a regime.

    Yemen and Bahrain have been an Ally to the US, one thing the US doesn't want is their only few allies in the middle east to end up in their enemies. Let alone, Bahrain has close ties with Saudi. Moreover, they have already been warned by the UNHCR that they will investigate soon enough on the guilty. They cant just intervene when no one asked them too. As far as I'm concerned the Yemeni, and Bahraini protesters didn't complain to the UN.
    Also, it's unfair to compare Gaddafi's 40 year regime over Yemen, and Bahrain.

    The UNHCR cannot dictate to every member state that abuses human rights. It's not that simple. You guys keep complaining as if it's easy to condemn someone and put him to prison just like that.
 
 
 
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