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    (Original post by und)
    I don't dispute that. But isn't it obvious that this is so that they can exploit the country's natural resources more efficiently?
    Yes, but it still improves Africa temporarily.

    And British colonialism did improve India. If they didn't colonise India the country would probably be in the same state as most of Africa.

    Colonialism isn't always a bad thing.
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    (Original post by No Man)
    Yes, but it still improves Africa temporarily.

    And British colonialism did improve India. If they didn't colonise India the country would probably be in the same state as most of Africa.

    Colonialism isn't always a bad thing.
    Consider these:

    Are the roads built for the people of Africa, or for industry?

    How much bribery was involved in obtaining planning permission for building roads in places which would be most convenient for China?

    How many people actually own a car in these countries?


    And India suffered major famines during colonial rule; the economic boom is actually quite recent.
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    (Original post by und)
    Consider these:

    Are the roads built for the people of Africa, or for industry?

    How much bribery was involved in obtaining planning permission for building roads in places which would be most convenient for China?

    How many people actually own a car in these countries?


    And India suffered major famines during colonial rule; the economic boom is actually quite recent.
    The African people would/will probably have jobs available for them through the industries (even if they are laborious), which is better leaving them to fight each other.
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    (Original post by mauvetard)
    Should your face be scrapped off and stuck back on?. Its a rehetorical question silly. Just like you have two nostrils, does'nt exactly mean you are divided.

    If African leaders were not happy with the divisions, they would have made a hell lot of changes to the mappings since their individual independence from their colonies.

    Now do us a favor love and let Africa be!
    What is up with your so called rhetorical question? It's not witty and it just doesn't make sense. The two nostrils bit is silly, I'm guessing that you're trying to compare that with an ethnic group seperated in two different countries. Your comparison is illogical seeing as the ethnic groups are seperated by a national boundary and are governed by different laws. It's not like your nostrils are subject to different control criteria by your brain. Anyway, both of your nostrils belong to yourself, one individual human being, instead of one nostril being controlled by a stranger. Grrrrrr, my brain hurts with your stupidity.

    It's quite difficult to just redraw the boundaries of your country on a whim, especially as you'd be changing the borders of other countries too, and this would require a level of cooperation that isn't realistic with the corrupt and inefficient governance in many of the poorer African countries. You're second paragraph is therefore pretty naive and ignorant. External help would be needed (e.g. the UN) in overseeing the negotiation process.

    Your last point about leaving Africa alone is selfish. What, do you want the developed world to just stand by and let the extreme poverty, ethnic violence, economic stagnation and corrupt governance continue?? You can't ignore the problems that colonialism has created. One of those problems is the borders. They have fuelled political and social tensions and this has led to civil war and genocide. Completely redrawing the borders is a radical idea, but at the end of the day it could lead to some stability.
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    Well this will be a simple task!



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    Are u really thinking we should just re create African we already did that in a time called colonialism........ that didnt end well for the Africans.
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    OP chat crap... next question please
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    (Original post by No Man)
    That's not going to work now, seeing as the Chinese government have set up camp there.

    They are actually improving Africa in a lot of ways other then shooting it's elephants.
    Not really.

    China is basically flying all it's labour in, and using Chinese companies and state apparatus to strip African areas, often very biodiverse areas that need protection, of natural resources that the Chinese economy needs to grow. There are few African jobs created, little transfer of wealth to the people (African governments usually get a few nice infrastructure investments out of it and maybe some licence payments, but the people get ****ed) and immense damage caused to the environment.

    Now I'm not saying that Western companies don't do the same across the world (Chevron in the Ecuadorian Amazon, Shell in Nigeria, Rio Tinto everywhere) but China isn't doing anything positive for Africa, just African governments.

    I've thought a bit about this issue before, and I have to say that whilst it would be difficult, that sub-Saharan Africa at least (North Africa is a different kettle of fish) should perhaps try to start a process rolling where states that are defined by natural cultural and possibly ethnic boundaries are formed. The states left in the wake of imperialism were largely a pretty poorly thought out.
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    (Original post by therealOG)
    What is up with your so called rhetorical question? It's not witty and it just doesn't make sense. The two nostrils bit is silly, I'm guessing that you're trying to compare that with an ethnic group seperated in two different countries. Your comparison is illogical seeing as the ethnic groups are seperated by a national boundary and are governed by different laws. It's not like your nostrils are subject to different control criteria by your brain. Anyway, both of your nostrils belong to yourself, one individual human being, instead of one nostril being controlled by a stranger. Grrrrrr, my brain hurts with your stupidity.

    It's quite difficult to just redraw the boundaries of your country on a whim, especially as you'd be changing the borders of other countries too, and this would require a level of cooperation that isn't realistic with the corrupt and inefficient governance in many of the poorer African countries. You're second paragraph is therefore pretty naive and ignorant. External help would be needed (e.g. the UN) in overseeing the negotiation process.

    Your last point about leaving Africa alone is selfish. What, do you want the developed world to just stand by and let the extreme poverty, ethnic violence, economic stagnation and corrupt governance continue?? You can't ignore the problems that colonialism has created. One of those problems is the borders. They have fuelled political and social tensions and this has led to civil war and genocide. Completely redrawing the borders is a radical idea, but at the end of the day it could lead to some stability.
    Thank you!

    What I said would obviously be a drastic measure, but as long as African states are comprised of different factions who all hate each others guts, Africa is not going to move forwards.

    (p.s. there is a lot of difference between old European powers who created the states and the much more legitimate UN which has the potential to sort them out)
 
 
 
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