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    This action will be barely a drop in the ocean compared to our annual deficit.
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    (Original post by CRAIGPARKER)
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    lol that was poor
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    Firstly it's not a war by any stretch of the imagination.

    Secondly it's not as simple as being able to move the money spent on the military to food or healthcare - for a start most of it's been spent already (buying the equipment, training the people), the additional cost of deploying them is relatively small.
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    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    Hmmm

    1600 people losing their jobs in County Durham with budget cuts, public services being cut left, right and centre - buses, leisure centres etc

    I'm sure this is happening all over the country...

    Yet we have money to go to war?

    Screw Libya. What about the British people?
    Aye right, leisure centres are far more important than than the right not to be attacked by your own government.
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    (Original post by jesusandtequila)
    Aye right, leisure centres are far more important than than the right not to be attacked by your own government.
    British citizens should be more important to the British taxpayer than Libyan citizens. Let another country with more money and better firepower sort this out.

    We're a small country. We shouldn't be getting involved in wars left, right and centre. We're nothing more than America's lapdog now. They whistle, we go. There is nobody more important to the British government than the British people. We should come first.

    Of course, Cameron will cut public spending, put tax up, slash the defence budget, say we have no money and then we'll start fighting in Libya.

    I don't care whether its a pothole being fixed or a new hospital being built. I'd just rather see British taxes being spent on Britain.
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    The ignorance of some people is actually astounding, and pretty depressing.

    To answer pretty much everything all the haters have said:

    a) It isn't a war. Go read the resolution: The BBC have even analysed it for you so you can understand. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12782972

    b) We can afford it - money is already spent on Jet fuel, ordnance, pilots etc - it comes out the MOD budget.

    c) Gadafii is committing genocide. If the international community (lead by the UN, using western assets) can help to stop that then we should.

    d) Comparing Cameron to Gadaffi/Hitler/Stalin/"enter dictator here", just shows how ignorant and childish you are. Grow up.

    e) Those who complain at American/British imperialism or some sort of conspiracy theory that we are only in it for oil need to think about what they would be saying had we not acted... the complaints would be flying in about the failure to stop atrocities on Europe's borders.

    End of lecture. :smartass:
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    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    British citizens should be more important to the British taxpayer than Libyan citizens. Let another country with more money and better firepower sort this out.

    We're a small country. We shouldn't be getting involved in wars left, right and centre. We're nothing more than America's lapdog now. They whistle, we go. There is nobody more important to the British government than the British people. We should come first.

    Of course, Cameron will cut public spending, put tax up, slash the defence budget, say we have no money and then we'll start fighting in Libya.

    I don't care whether its a pothole being fixed or a new hospital being built. I'd just rather see British taxes being spent on Britain.
    Al fair arguments, but this was not an "american lapdog" situation. Cameron and Sarkozy pushed for it, Obama and the US were nowhere to be seen until the last few days when the resolution was being drafted at the UN.
    Also, sometimes, somethings are worth fighting for are they not? Stopping a complete madman murder his own people has to be high on the list of things that are worth putting a stop to.
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    (Original post by 10joey10)
    Al fair arguments, but this was not an "american lapdog" situation. Cameron and Sarkozy pushed for it, Obama and the US were nowhere to be seen until the last few days when the resolution was being drafted at the UN.
    Also, sometimes, somethings are worth fighting for are they not? Stopping a complete madman murder his own people has to be high on the list of things that are worth putting a stop to.
    Different situation obv, but it was the same principal with Iraq.

    We need to learn something. We are not the world police. We are not the world guardians of morality and decency. Italy have much more interest in Libya than we do, but it was us, the French and the Yanks getting involved in this
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    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    Different situation obv, but it was the same principal with Iraq.

    We need to learn something. We are not the world police. We are not the world guardians of morality and decency. Italy have much more interest in Libya than we do, but it was us, the French and the Yanks getting involved in this
    You are right we aren't. The UN supposedly is, but is bloody useless at it. Iraq was quite different really - no UN resolution, an actual invasion and occupying force, regime change etc etc. The better comparison is with Bosnia and Kosovo during the 90's.
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    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    British citizens should be more important to the British taxpayer than Libyan citizens. Let another country with more money and better firepower sort this out.
    Humans are human and no human is more important by virtue of their place of birth, frankly. Furthermore, it's fairly easy to argue that leisure centres should not be the realm of government at all, whether we have the resources or not - while foreign intervention to stop genocide, that is within the realm of government. Also, which countries? America - sure, but they hardly have no budget troubles, China and Russia have a principle of non-intervention, and then there's us, with the 4th largest defence budget and a leader who really believes a no-fly zone is the right thing to do, hence why he was one of the main proponents of it and was involved in drafting the relevant UN resolution. Frankly, if we were to shirk on enforcing it, then we would be shirking our responsibilities as a major power (4th largest defence budget, 6th largest economy in the world - I don't know where this myth of Britain being a small country comes from) of the international community.

    We're a small country. We shouldn't be getting involved in wars left, right and centre. We're nothing more than America's lapdog now. They whistle, we go. There is nobody more important to the British government than the British people. We should come first.
    We have the 4th highest defence budget in the world, we, along with France and Lebabon drafted this resolution. Cameron was one of the main proponents in the no-fly zone. To claim we are America's lapdog here is frankly bizarre.

    Of course, Cameron will cut public spending, put tax up, slash the defence budget, say we have no money and then we'll start fighting in Libya.
    Except that there is a special Treasury fund set aside for crises like this anyway.

    I don't care whether its a pothole being fixed or a new hospital being built. I'd just rather see British taxes being spent on Britain.
    So since you believe that a human is more important than another by virtue of their place of birth - do you believe that we should only spend tax dollars on one part of the country?
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    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    British citizens should be more important to the British taxpayer than Libyan citizens. Let another country with more money and better firepower sort this out.

    We're a small country. We shouldn't be getting involved in wars left, right and centre. We're nothing more than America's lapdog now. They whistle, we go. There is nobody more important to the British government than the British people. We should come first.

    Of course, Cameron will cut public spending, put tax up, slash the defence budget, say we have no money and then we'll start fighting in Libya.

    I don't care whether its a pothole being fixed or a new hospital being built. I'd just rather see British taxes being spent on Britain.
    Actually we convinced America to join the no fly zone and coalition.

    Britain is not a small country by any stretch of the imagination. We are in the top ten for both our military power and economy. We are on the UN security council and are a very influential world player.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    What else would you expect from a Tory?
    I wanted to ask you a question on Libya, did you support Tony Blair doing business with Gadhaffi and the previous Government doing all it could to facilitate a convicted murderers release?
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    Yes craigparker
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    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    Different situation obv, but it was the same principal with Iraq.

    We need to learn something. We are not the world police. We are not the world guardians of morality and decency. Italy have much more interest in Libya than we do, but it was us, the French and the Yanks getting involved in this
    Italy is on the verge of sending troops into Libya you realize?
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    (Original post by mcgrou)
    Yes craigparker
    what do you mean it ...
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    If we dont stop gaddafi who will. He's been running riot for ages now and we and the US are the only people capable of stopping people like this. Were using libya as an example of what will happen to other countries if they go the same way,
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Actually we convinced America to join the no fly zone and coalition.

    Britain is not a small country by any stretch of the imagination. We are in the top ten for both our military power and economy. We are on the UN security council and are a very influential world player.
    We are a small country.

    We are nowhere near as big as some people like to think.

    We are not the world police. Leave it to someone else for once. Fix Britain first, then we can fanny around in North Africa, the Middle East or anywhere else we think we need to jump in and save the world.
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    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    We are a small country.

    We are nowhere near as big as some people like to think.
    Small in what sense?

    Militarily? We have the 4th largest defence budget in the world.
    Economically? 6th largest economy in the world.

    You know, I really fail to see where we're small country, or America the only large country?

    As for being the world police, no, we're not, but it's an intervention on the part of many countries, supported by those in the region to stop a madman dictator slaughtering hundreds of thousands of his people. Or, do you condone that?
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    (Original post by jesusandtequila)
    Small in what sense?

    Militarily? We have the 4th largest defence budget in the world.
    Economically? 6th largest economy in the world.

    You know, I really fail to see where we're small country, or America the only large country?

    As for being the world police, no, we're not, but it's an intervention on the part of many countries, supported by those in the region to stop a madman dictator slaughtering hundreds of thousands of his people. Or, do you condone that?
    We don't go after every madman dictator though.

    Only ones with oil.

    We're a small country who aren't exactly in great shape. We need to sort our priorities out, and IMO, that starts at home.
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    [QUOTE=ilickbatteries;30467490]We don't go after every madman dictator though.

    Only ones with oil.[/quotes]
    Or not, since we're not after the Saudis who have far more oil. That theory just went down the well. We intervened in Kosovo in 1999, we should have in Rwanda, and we are here. It makes sense and you're failing to realise that this isn't a British invasion of Libya, it's a multi-lateral prevention of slaughter of civilians.

    We're a small country who aren't exactly in great shape. We need to sort our priorities out, and IMO, that starts at home.
    Sorry, how are we small? I just set out some facts that show we're not, yet you keep re-iterating this, please do explain.
 
 
 
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