For those of you who do dumbbell bench press and similar lifts

Your post said "lets see him do it with a pair of 80kg dumbbells". Clearly if you're staying on topic it's not important that it's him in particular, nor that the technique is identical. Of course you could be going off topic by making the point that you don't think much of Mark Rippetoe. The point that he's not all that strong is valid, but you might as well just say it if that's what you mean. On the (even at the time obviously flawed) assumption that you were staying on topic, I posted a video of someone doing something similar with heavy dumbbells. Now your point is that it's not a good idea due to safety considerations. This could also be a valid point but unless "lets see him do it with a pair of 80kg dumbbells" is your way of saying "I want to see him get injured", you didn't mention it at all in your first two posts.

Your post said "lets see him do it with a pair of 80kg dumbbells". Clearly if you're staying on topic it's not important that it's him in particular, nor that the technique is identical. Of course you could be going off topic by making the point that you don't think much of Mark Rippetoe. The point that he's not all that strong is valid, but you might as well just say it if that's what you mean. On the (even at the time obviously flawed) assumption that you were staying on topic, I posted a video of someone doing something similar with heavy dumbbells. Now your point is that it's not a good idea due to safety considerations. This could also be a valid point but unless "lets see him do it with a pair of 80kg dumbbells" is your way of saying "I want to see him get injured", you didn't mention it at all in your first two posts.

No, I am saying it is a flawed technique - as you posted yourself Big ron did NOT do what riptoe did.

To generate the force required to hoist dumbbells quickly into the straight arm position also requires you generate enough opposing force to prevent over extension while the dumbbell is at the end of the longest moment it will be during that particular exercise which is dangerous and damaging to your shoulders - if you note Ron takes them into the bottom position - a much stronger position when considering horizontal force due to the shortened moment.

Similar only to someone who doesn't understand basic physics - the differences in force are actually vast.

In the video he said "the heaviest dumbbells in the rack can be done this way."

Ronnie got into position in a similar way but he just dropped the dumbbells after he'd used them which was completely different to what that other video showed to do.

Ronnie got into position in a similar way but he just dropped the dumbbells after he'd used them which was completely different to what that other video showed to do.

For some reason I thought common sense would prevail as opposed to someone desperate on the internet to argue and play semantics as if it really matters.

I made no reference as it was not needed, your retort with the Ronnie Coleman video did not demonstrate what Rip was doing - I would prefer you saw the difference yourself rather than having to wipe your arse over such matters.

Blah blah blah justifying pointless arguing for no apparent reason other than to try to swell my e-balls

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Basically, it is possible to use poor technique on lighter weights. Heavier weights leave less margin for error and the technique that Rippetoe is showing probably doesn't work for those heavier weights. Kicking the dumbells up as Ronnie does works for heavier weights. I am not really in a position to explain why physiologically but anecdotally, all of the strong people kick them up like Ronnie does and nobody strong I've seen does it how Rippetoe tells you to. Therefore I am much more likely to trust the stronger dudes (all other things being equal.) I might just be prejudiced because I can't get his method to work to savem y life though

I understand that. My issue is that Powerlifter made an ambiguous post and then completely failed to clear up the issue until at least his third post (the second post is half about how his original post isn't particularly relevant), but is acting as if everything had been perfectly clear.

Powerlifter is significantly stronger and more knowledgeable about lifting than I am and is an extremely valuable resource for these forums, but his attitude can be offputting.

Can't people figure out for themselves how to use DBs? They're DBs ffs.

Read back fella, you posted a video which I responded to - you did not post any question at all. Before you accuse others of not being clear examine your own methods.