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This is an impressive thread, but I still don't doubt that the Israelis are in the wrong here- I know this is a complicated issue but the problem will never be solved as long as America continues to turn a blind eye to Israel and the crimes it commits.

And if America continues in this way, claiming it is a fair peace-broker, the troubles will escalate and create more agression on the Palestinian side, naturally.
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Nik youre on...did you give me the promised rep? Or did you give it to TinyKates?
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Nik youre on...did you give me the promised rep? Or did you give it to TinyKates?
who me, sire claimed it
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who me, sire claimed it
what no! It was you! You promised and then you said you dont back down from your promises...
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This is an impressive thread, but I still don't doubt that the Israelis are in the wrong here- I know this is a complicated issue but the problem will never be solved as long as America continues to turn a blind eye to Israel and the crimes it commits.
Just answer me one question. The PLO has repeadately ignored the terrorist groups. Arafat encouraged teh last intifada, he gave palestinian schoolchildren free from school during the worst stone throwing campaigns aganist Israeli checkpoints, and they brodcast comercials promoting suecide bombings.

Are you saying israel should sit with their arms in the lap and watch their population being blown up at restaurants and buses, because the terrorist orginisations uses civilians as human shields? If teh palestinian giovernment does not try to stop the terrorism, then what choice does Israel have but to try to defend themselves the best they can?
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what no! It was you! You promised and then you said you dont back down from your promises...
lol, tell me after the weekend, as im goin to paris :rolleyes:
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Just answer me one question. The PLO has repeadately ignored the terrorist groups. Arafat encouraged teh last intifada, he gave palestinian schoolchildren free from school during the worst stone throwing campaigns aganist Israeli checkpoints, and they brodcast comercials promoting suecide bombings.

Are you saying israel should sit with their arms in the lap and watch their population being blown up at restaurants and buses, because the terrorist orginisations uses civilians as human shields? If teh palestinian giovernment does not try to stop the terrorism, then what choice does Israel have but to try to defend themselves the best they can?

they also use silly socialist easily influenced british students as human shields
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lol, tell me after the weekend, as im goin to paris :rolleyes:
you just want everyone to know don't you?
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sick puppy, i wonder if thats an apt name. So muslims really have the same rights as jews, to be cut off from their families by a concentration camp like fence. One which separates farmers from their land, solely in order for the ISraeli government to be seen doing somehting
He was obviously talking about Israeli residents. Dont act stupid.

When it comes to the security fence, considder the alternatives. The palestinian authorities doesnt do **** to stop the terror, so the Israelis have no choice but to defend themselves. Personally I think a fence is a better idea than shooting anyone who gets to close to the border...
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Just answer me one question. The PLO has repeadately ignored the terrorist groups. Arafat encouraged teh last intifada, he gave palestinian schoolchildren free from school during the worst stone throwing campaigns aganist Israeli checkpoints, and they brodcast comercials promoting suecide bombings.

Are you saying israel should sit with their arms in the lap and watch their population being blown up at restaurants and buses, because the terrorist orginisations uses civilians as human shields? If teh palestinian giovernment does not try to stop the terrorism, then what choice does Israel have but to try to defend themselves the best they can?
Excuse me and what does the terrorist, Sharon, do about his militry men who shoot innocent peace activists? He claims they were caught in a cross fire and then claims they were shooting at the soldiers. ITS ABSURD. And there is little Arafat can do about all these factions, as firstly it was Israel that funded them. Secondly, since America and Israel undermine his power and nothing is being done to resolve the issue, its hardly likely the extremist groups are going to listen to him.
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they also use silly socialist easily influenced british students as human shields
No, these people deliberately act as human shields on their own accord.
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they also use silly socialist easily influenced british students as human shields
What the hell has socialism got to do with the solidarity movement in Palestine ?(unless you're suggesting that all socialists care more about their fellow man)
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He was obviously talking about Israeli residents. Dont act stupid.

When it comes to the security fence, considder the alternatives. The palestinian authorities doesnt do **** to stop the terror, so the Israelis have no choice but to defend themselves. Personally I think a fence is a better idea than shooting anyone who gets to close to the border...
A security fence only adds to the economic misery of the ordinary Palestinian (making them even more bitter towards the Israeli governement) without providing any real security for Israeli population.
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He was obviously talking about Israeli residents. Dont act stupid.

When it comes to the security fence, considder the alternatives. The palestinian authorities doesnt do **** to stop the terror, so the Israelis have no choice but to defend themselves. Personally I think a fence is a better idea than shooting anyone who gets to close to the border...
um, what abvout those little inconvienient villages which happen to be smack on the border. And there are many muslims who are israeli residents.
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What the hell has socialism got to do with the solidarity movement in Palestine ?(unless you're suggesting that all socialists care more about their fellow man)

no, socialists are more easily influenced by emotion than reason


and plus socialist is the rudest word possible
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Excuse me and what does the terrorist, Sharon, do about his militry men who shoot innocent peace activists? He claims they were caught in a cross fire and then claims they were shooting at the soldiers. ITS ABSURD. And there is little Arafat can do about all these factions, as firstly it was Israel that funded them. Secondly, since America and Israel undermine his power and nothing is being done to resolve the issue, its hardly likely the extremist groups are going to listen to him.
Arafat does have controll in the palestinian areas, everyone who oposes him receives capital punishment for being an Israeli spy. And even if he could not stop the terror completely, he is not even trying. The palestinian police force is one of the best armed police forces in the region, yet they do not arrest a single terrorist. When they occasionally do so, it is usually after imense international presure, only to release them a month later. Also, if Arafat is unable to keep the terrorist groups under controll, is it not understandable that Israel tries themselves?

The bottom line is that the palestinian givernmend doesn not want/ have the power to / try to stop the terrorists and this leaves Israel with no choice but to defend themselves. Innocent people do get harmed because of this, but the alternative for Israel would be to sit with their hands in the lap while their populations i being blown to pieces.
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um, what abvout those little inconvienient villages which happen to be smack on the border. And there are many muslims who are israeli residents.
I still think constructing the fence is a better idea than to use military incursions to avoid terrorist from crossing the borders. I am not saying it is a good thing that the people who lives on the location of the fence there will have to move, but it is stil better than using snipers and M16s.

Also, many Muslims are Israeli residents (which was the very point of the first post on this message) and those Muslims enyoy equal rights as Jewish Israeli residents.
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I still think constructing the fence is a better idea than to use military incursions to avoid terrorist from crossing the borders. I am not saying it is a good thing that the people who lives on the location of the fence there will have to move, but it is stil better than using snipers and M16s.

Also, many Muslims are Israeli residents (which was the very point of the first post on this message) and those Muslims enyoy equal rights as Jewish Israeli residents.
you told me not to act stupid, but muslims are israeli residents - so we were at cross puirposes
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no, socialists are more easily influenced by emotion than reason


and plus socialist is the rudest word possible
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Hello there everyone.

My name is Itzik and I have 32 years. I just wanted to reply all of you for two reasons.

1) I need to improve (make better) my English
2) This is a interesting subject

Let me explain about myself. I am originally from Thailand. At the age of 27 I went to live in Israel. I have lived there now for 5 years. Many of my friends are from foreign countries (only a few are Jewish).
The Israeli Government lets more immigrants into Israel than almost any country in the world. Every Jew has a right to live in Israel but not every non-Jew. I write this to correct the argument someone made that every non Jew is not accepted. I love living in Israel - it is my home.

Because i Live there and can now speak fluent Hebrew and Arabic, I see a lot of what is going on in a different light to you. Christians and Muslims all have the same rights as Jews. They are treated fantasticaly (spelling?).

My best friend was at the scene of the terrorist attack in Jerusalem this morning which killed 10 innocent Israelis on their way to work. His job was to pick up body parts of those killed so they can have a burial. Israel as a country, and Judaism as a religion, care so much about life and dignity.
I have been to the West Bank. I have been to Gaza. It is not like you see on the television screens. How many of you have been? Do any of you live there?

Without wanting to make offence to you all, reading your wrtitings (except vienna, gems) is like reading a comedy script except in a comedy script the people are funny on purpose.

Anyway its 10:30 here so I'm going to go to bed.

Lehitraot (goodbye)
Shalom Itzik!

Very well said. You're English is very good too.

Ani medaberit Ivrit. Ani rosah shalom beyisroel! - (I speak Hebrew. I want peace in Israel!)
I've forgotten most of my Ivrit now, whenever I try and say it, I come out with French instead. At least I can still read and write it.
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