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    (Original post by alexs2602)
    I think its time to face it on both sides that there's no way of telling due to flawed league table methodology. It's even been said that the teaching assessments used are outdated which means that's also a flawed statistic to rely on.
    That's fine, but I think I would take evidence that may be subject to some obscure criticism (but still has an objective basis) over subjective conjecture.
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    (Original post by DLJ)
    I've seen your pathetic posting around TSR before. And from what I have seen and read, nobody likes your stuck-up, pompous opinion. Your rep could be an indication to you that people don't give a **** about your ridiculous opinions.

    It's people like you that I chose Essex as my firm ahead of UCL and Durham. You think academic ability or your family's wealth allows you to be arrogant and extremely pretentious. Who are you trying to impress with your pathetic posting? Get some manners and actually reply respectfully about universities. After all, they are only there to help people pave their careers, not give them something to boast about or add to their ego. Also, stick to your own university, don't go posting about your, I'm guessing here, bitterness about them, because that's how it comes across.

    IMO, you need a good spanking to set you straight. But that's just me.
    Well said; Its about time someone challenges this so called 'Im so academic' that thinks because he/she's going to Oxbridge, the rest of the universities are all worthless :banghead:
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    They should bring back apprenticeships because so many people will not be able to afford further education. 9k is a lot then include living costs people will be in so much debt that unless they are going into a specific degree orientated career going to university may not actually be so helpful. So many bright but poor people will be discouraged from further education more scholarships maybe?
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    (Original post by DLJ)
    I've seen your pathetic posting around TSR before. And from what I have seen and read, nobody likes your stuck-up, pompous opinion. Your rep could be an indication to you that people don't give a **** about your ridiculous opinions.

    It's people like you that I chose Essex as my firm ahead of UCL and Durham. You think academic ability or your family's wealth allows you to be arrogant and extremely pretentious. Who are you trying to impress with your pathetic posting? Get some manners and actually reply respectfully about universities. After all, they are only there to help people pave their careers, not give them something to boast about or add to their ego. Also, stick to your own university, don't go posting about your, I'm guessing here, bitterness about them, because that's how it comes across.

    IMO, you need a good spanking to set you straight. But that's just me.
    I'm fine with that. :dontknow:
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    (Original post by canimakeit)
    They should bring back apprenticeships because so many people will not be able to afford further education. 9k is a lot then include living costs people will be in so much debt that unless they are going into a specific degree orientated career going to university may not actually be so helpful. So many bright but poor people will be discouraged from further education more scholarships maybe?
    The problem is we have a workplace where employers are less willing to train up young people. Probably down to the fact very few people will have stay in one job for a long time anymore.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    The problem is we have a workplace where employers are less willing to train up young people. Probably down to the fact very few people will have stay in one job for a long time anymore.
    true. apparently during this economical climate, it seems like less employers are willing to take on apprenticeship in the second year. mainly because they will have to pay them more than they did in the first year. they just dont really want to spend too much money really. this might be rumours though. i am not sure.
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    (Original post by street.lovin')
    true. apparently during this economical climate, it seems like less employers are willing to take on apprenticeship in the second year. mainly because they will have to pay them more than they did in the first year. they just dont really want to spend too much money really. this might be rumours though. i am not sure.
    education, job market, the economy, it's all screwed!:eek:
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    education, job market, the economy, it's all screwed!:eek:
    :cry:
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    (Original post by *Hakz*)
    Well said; Its about time someone challenges this so called 'Im so academic' that thinks because he/she's going to Oxbridge, the rest of the universities are all worthless :banghead:
    She still has her GCSEs to do yet. Quite stupid.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    The problem is we have a workplace where employers are less willing to train up young people. Probably down to the fact very few people will have stay in one job for a long time anymore.
    Fair point, but if there was a greater accessibility for progression within a company wouldn't people be more willing to remain in the same firm etc.
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    (Original post by canimakeit)
    Fair point, but if there was a greater accessibility for progression within a company wouldn't people be more willing to remain in the same firm etc.
    Possibility, but I think its more to do with peoples attitudes these days.
    People simply tend to get bored and want something new.
    While in bigger companies, you can quite happily move to a totally different area, that isn't possible in a lot of places.

    I do think an attempt at getting things like apprenticeships is a good thing though. It just has to be done right.
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    (Original post by street.lovin')
    She still has her GCSEs to do yet. Quite stupid.
    Wat the hell!!!

    You being serious?
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    (Original post by *Hakz*)
    Wat the hell!!!

    You being serious?
    Yep. I am being serious. A lot of TSRians are like that,they just have no idea what they are talking about. Many of them are just narrow minded tw*ts. But that's just a very small proportion of people on here.
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    (Original post by Noodlzzz)
    ISA is right, the purpose of going to university is academic. Everything after that is not the primary purpose, however great it may be.
    Can you explain to me exactly how, for example, Medicine does not prepare somebody for a job?
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    (Original post by Call me Bob)
    Can you explain to me exactly how, for example, Medicine does not prepare somebody for a job?
    I never said it didn't :confused:
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    (Original post by Noodlzzz)
    I never said it didn't :confused:
    But you agree with ISA that going to university does not prepare anyone for a job. =.= ....

    To me, the reason people go to uni is for the education, however, employability is the multiplier effect from it. This is because people are becoming more employable when they are more educated. However, people don't need to go to university to prepare themselves for a job, this is because there are other options which may prepare them better for certain careers e.g. apprenticeships....

    So, going to university is also preparing a person for a job in a way. Although it is not the main purpose. But for some courses such as Medicine, Law, Architecture, universities are basically preparing the students for a job. :P .....
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    (Original post by street.lovin')
    But you agree with ISA that going to university does not prepare anyone for a job. =.= ....

    To me, the reason people go to uni is for the education, however, employability is the multiplier effect from it. This is because people are becoming more employable when they are more educated. However, people don't need to go to university to prepare themselves for a job, this is because there are other options which may prepare them better for certain careers e.g. apprenticeships....

    So, going to university is also preparing a person for a job in a way. Although it is not the main purpose. But for some courses such as Medicine, Law, Architecture, universities are basically preparing the students for a job. :P .....
    No I agree with ISA that academics are the sole purpose of going to university. I think I misread, I thought she was referring to socialising / boosing.
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    (Original post by Noodlzzz)
    No I agree with ISA that academics are the sole purpose of going to university. I think I misread, I thought she was referring to socialising / boosing.
    lol.. ok
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    (Original post by storna)
    But then, I don't consider Essex "exceptional" as claimed by the Government with regards to £9000 fees. "Exceptional" would be the top 10, at a maximum.
    So you're perhaps arguing that 'exceptional' universities need to charge 9K to stay in the top 10, whereas 'non-exceptional' universities must charge less.

    Really I can see where this is leading us: 'Non exceptional' universities will need to be charging 9k in order to heighten their chances of become 'exceptional'.

    Surely if any university wants to improve it's ranking/research quality etc. then it is extremely driven to charge as much as it can. And shouldn't every university aim to improve it's standards?

    This isn't great from a prospective students point of view (depending where you look), but I can honestly see why universities who are not deemed to be fantastic or 'top 10' will be charging the maximum.
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    (Original post by aliluvschoc)
    So you're perhaps arguing that 'exceptional' universities need to charge 9K to stay in the top 10, whereas 'non-exceptional' universities must charge less.

    Really I can see where this is leading us: 'Non exceptional' universities will need to be charging 9k in order to heighten their chances of become 'exceptional'.

    Surely if any university wants to improve it's ranking/research quality etc. then it is extremely driven to charge as much as it can. And shouldn't every university aim to improve it's standards?

    This isn't great from a prospective students point of view (depending where you look), but I can honestly see why universities who are not deemed to be fantastic or 'top 10' will be charging the maximum.
    Agree. I found an article the other day on BBC that all the universities that are actually charging £9000 tuition fees are mainly top research based universities which probably reflect the quality of the lecturers and academics there. I agree with many of your points.
 
 
 
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