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    *10 years on TSR dance* :banana2:

    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    A friend I didn't know even liked Anime (Exciting, eh?! :crazy:) just recommended Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood, saying he thinks I'd like it. I wonder what your thoughts are on it!
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    Anything to add?
    Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is fantastic, popular for good reason. :yes: I'd highly recommend it if you like action, though the story and characters are great as well.

    The only real downside is, there was an earlier Fullmetal Alchemist series - this earlier series follows the manga storyline to a point, but there are some changes early on, and it deviates completely after a while for a totally anime-original ending. Brotherhood is a remake that adapts the manga storyline faithfully; it does start from the start, so watching the 2003 series is not essential... but it rushes through the early parts of the story on the assumption that most people will already be familiar with it from the first series.

    Personally, I think the early Brotherhood episodes do an okay job at summarising the main points, but obviously it's very fast-paced and some of the detail is lost. If that doesn't bother you too much, you could probably jump strait into Brotherhood. But if you don't mind watching the additional 51 episodes of the original anime beforehand, it may add to your enjoyment (and it isn't bad for an anime-original story, either).

    Hope my explanation makes sense. :p:
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    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    Have you ever taken a personality test? http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test I'm absolutely sure you'll get INFJ. You have this vibe I only get when around INFJs. If not, I'll eat my hat... but it's so clear that you are :P
    I'm well clued in on my personality types :yep: . I'm consistently an ISFJ, so kudos to you for getting so close! I've found that understanding these categories (even if it is a bit of a generalisation) has helped me to understand the world so much better :lol: .

    How are you handling the increased responsibility? Do you enjoy it? I can't imagine one good reason to be a mod. Name 3! :lol:
    3 good reasons to be a mod, huh? :holmes:

    1) I'm in a position where I can create content (either helpful content in Study Help, or fun content over here in H&I) and achieve a high level of engagement with the community based on my position (which lends credibility in the eyes of the average Joe) and close interaction with the Community Team (who can advertise good content, or help source information and resources for a thread).

    2) I can engage on a personal level with a broad spectrum of users on this site, primarily because they engage back thanks to the moderator badge. This allows me to build up a rapport with a lot of users, encouraging them to stick around or engage in other parts of the site if they're a little shy or don't normally like to post.

    3) The friends I've made from the mod team and the tremendous range of skills I've developed thanks to training days, CT meet-ups/Skype sessions, administration discussions and whatnot has genuinely improved me as a person :yep: . I've used my TSR experience in interviews and it has generally gone down well

    There are downsides, but they're few and far between in Study Help . Chat and D&CA probably have more to say on that :lol: .

    You can't think of any upsides whatsoever?

    I was Occams Chainsaw in a previous life. You might have seen me around in Maths/Science sections of study help, depending on your area of expertise.
    I'm aware of your existence, yep :yep: . Didn't have you down as an anime fan however . How come you started?
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    (Original post by AngryJellyfish)
    *10 years on TSR dance* :banana2:
    10 years?! Then again, you are Welsh. I suppose it was either this or the sheep, eh?

    Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is fantastic, popular for good reason. :yes: I'd highly recommend it if you like action, though the story and characters are great as well.

    The only real downside is, there was an earlier Fullmetal Alchemist series - this earlier series follows the manga storyline to a point, but there are some changes early on, and it deviates completely after a while for a totally anime-original ending. Brotherhood is a remake that adapts the manga storyline faithfully; it does start from the start, so watching the 2003 series is not essential... but it rushes through the early parts of the story on the assumption that most people will already be familiar with it from the first series.

    Personally, I think the early Brotherhood episodes do an okay job at summarising the main points, but obviously it's very fast-paced and some of the detail is lost. If that doesn't bother you too much, you could probably jump strait into Brotherhood. But if you don't mind watching the additional 51 episodes of the original anime beforehand, it may add to your enjoyment (and it isn't bad for an anime-original story, either).

    Hope my explanation makes sense. :p:
    Uh-huh. So I either jump into brotherhood and get a td;lr and follow the manga to the letter or watch the first version and get a deeper scope of the plot while deviating from the original concept.

    What's your favourite anime? Do you prefer watching a movie or series?
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    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    10 years?! Then again, you are Welsh. I suppose it was either this or the sheep, eh?
    I'll admit, living in the middle of nowhere is largely the reason I spend so much time on the internet and watching anime. No comment regarding the sheep. :p:

    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    Uh-huh. So I either jump into brotherhood and get a td;lr and follow the manga to the letter or watch the first version and get a deeper scope of the plot while deviating from the original concept.
    Spot on, and summarised far better than I could have done!

    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    What's your favourite anime? Do you prefer watching a movie or series?
    I have a Top 50 list (still need to add reasons for my rankings, but I only put the list together a week ago). Baccano! tops the list, because I've yet to see any other series manage to cram such a fantastic plot and a huge but lovable cast of characters into so few episodes. Death Note and FMA: Brotherhood are there as well!

    I tend to prefer series to movies, I have a short attention span. :giggle: ~25 minute episodes are just right. I do like movies, but setting aside a couple of hours to watch one is surprisingly hard to do. Tokyo Godfathers, Grave of the Fireflies and Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo are the only movies in my Top 50, but they are very good.
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    (Original post by Nirgilis)
    I'm well clued in on my personality types :yep: . I'm consistently an ISFJ, so kudos to you for getting so close! I've found that understanding these categories (even if it is a bit of a generalisation) has helped me to understand the world so much better :lol: .
    You really think you're a sensor? Your humour is definitely in the style of an intuitive. Clearly you know yourself better than I do but Ni-dom seems far more likely than Si, just given the way you communicate. I agree that Fe-Ti axis is clear, though :yep: Even looking past that, your enjoyment of a fantasy world (through anime) would generally indicate intuition as a dominant or secondary function, because sensing is concerned with the current nature of a thing (and introverted sensing with the subject's actual, current relationship with the object) while introversion is interested in the possibilities, associations, and what the thing could be, always looking beyond the object. The difference, in the abstract, is that while watching an anime, the sensor would be concerned about the thing itself, immersed in that story line and what's happening, and how it relates to reality and the Si's past experiences, while an intuitive would be more interested in the ideas associated with the anime, using their imagination to think about what could happen, or maybe what our if themes were present in our lives (like the Death Note, for instance) what our world might look like.

    Only a quick overview but maybe some food for thought!


    You can't think of any upsides whatsoever?
    No, not really. Well, maybe one :ahee: Your reasons seem to surround being able to engage with people you wouldn't otherwise -- which seems true, without the purple badge and it's inherent status, I'd probably have not pondered on not knowing your name -- but the internet people are a strange bunch: do I really want to attract more of them? :cookoo:


    I'm aware of your existence, yep :yep: . Didn't have you down as an anime fan however . How come you started?
    Another example of intuitive humour!
    Eh. The persona shouldn't distract you from the fact I'm a geek at heart. It was inevitable that I'd fall into the world eventually.
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    Any one here watched Mushishi?
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    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    Watched Death Note recently. My first anime experience.

    L...



    Any recommendations if I enjoyed DN?
    Death Parade for the supernatural element; Code Geass for the politics.
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    I've started rewatching the FMA 2003 series, which happens to be my number 1 favourite anime so far. I prefer it to Brotherhood in that it focuses more on the relationship between Ed and Al, and the action doesn't drag as much as it did in Brotherhood (the ending of Brotherhood comes to mind).
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    Finally caught up with and finished watching Death Parade. Does make me wonder if there will be a second series, as the way in which the plot 'concluded' felt a bit off.

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    Decim tells Chi that her body won't end up with the others once her soul is 'judged' and passed on for reincarnation. I just assumed her 'mannequin' body would become part of Decim's collection, but then she appears peeking around the corner of Decim's bar after the closing credits.

    Plus, it felt as though the contentious relationship between Nona and Oculus was still quite open ended.


    I'm probably one of the few viewers who weren't so much into the 'game' episodes as the episodes surrounding Decim, his relationship to Chi and the other Arbiters.

    It's an odd thing, I find it easy to suspend my disbelief when watching animes about giant mecha robots fighting apocalyptic angels, time travel using microwaves or schoolgirls who fight witches with magical powers, but I found it a hard task here. The humans in this anime didn't seem to act with any ounce of logic whatsoever. They're told that they can't leave the bar until they play a game that they have to stake their lives on. The game is always two players, and neither player seems to ever ask Decim the relevant questions!

    That being said, I Really enjoyed the final episode, it was my favourite by far.

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    They handled a difficult subject like suicide well, particularly how it can create ripples in other people's lives. The 'feels' in this episode actually made me cry. It was a beautiful moment when Chi decided not to take another person's life in order to restore her own, therefore showing Decim the power of human empathy. It was even sadder when she thrust the 'button' in Decim's palm and asked him to make the decision for her, knowing the choice itself was a torturous responsibility that no human should make. :cry:


    Not watching much at the moment, mainly Fate Stay Night: UBW every week. I liked the extra content they had for Illya and Beserker, just wished they fleshed it out a bit more. I'm also amused that my husband has memorised Archer's 'I am the bone of my sword' speech and does the most uncanny Archer impressions. Apparently it takes him a lot of effort to accurately mispronounce every word.
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    (Original post by Pinkhead)
    It's a pretty decent read as well.
    Yeah, I actually started to read the LNs when season two started because shizzle started to get real aha,

    I recently finished volume 10.5 which was brilliant! It's interesting how the humour still transfers sufficiently across mediums - however, it's better to wait a couple days to watch the anime for decent subs.

    For a conversational based anime, the last thing to be skimping on is the sub
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    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    You really think you're a sensor? Your humour is definitely in the style of an intuitive. Clearly you know yourself better than I do but Ni-dom seems far more likely than Si, just given the way you communicate. I agree that Fe-Ti axis is clear, though :yep: Even looking past that, your enjoyment of a fantasy world (through anime) would generally indicate intuition as a dominant or secondary function, because sensing is concerned with the current nature of a thing (and introverted sensing with the subject's actual, current relationship with the object) while introversion is interested in the possibilities, associations, and what the thing could be, always looking beyond the object. The difference, in the abstract, is that while watching an anime, the sensor would be concerned about the thing itself, immersed in that story line and what's happening, and how it relates to reality and the Si's past experiences, while an intuitive would be more interested in the ideas associated with the anime, using their imagination to think about what could happen, or maybe what our if themes were present in our lives (like the Death Note, for instance) what our world might look like.

    Only a quick overview but maybe some food for thought!
    I re-took the test just for you . Results are in the spoiler :yep:

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    I was speaking to my S.O. about it though and they think I act very differently online to how I would act if we were face to face :yep: . Something about having time to carefully consider my answers as I compose them rather than being put on the spot or something like that :rolleyes: . So maybe you picked up on that :yep:

    If you want some sort of convincing - the reason I got into anime in the first place? The colours and the artwork . My first anime was D.N.Angel and I moved through a load of tripe before finding anything even half decent! :lol: . So my primary motive was a Sensing reason, however, it has now developed into something more - I now DO look at the possibilities and the ideals surrounding the plot and storyline :lol: . However, you can't beat 1080p, crisp, colourful artwork though :pierre:

    Anyway, how about you? . I'm guessing there's some sort of INT-ness about you?


    No, not really. Well, maybe one :ahee: Your reasons seem to surround being able to engage with people you wouldn't otherwise -- which seems true, without the purple badge and it's inherent status, I'd probably have not pondered on not knowing your name -- but the internet people are a strange bunch: do I really want to attract more of them? :cookoo:
    :yep: . I do this job for the community, and not for the power like so many of the younglings we take on . Could I card half the people in this forum? Sure! . But I'd rather be re-designing some sub-forum or another or creating useful tools :rolleyes: . The internet may be full of weirdos, but if even one person genuinely takes away some sort of advice, or feels happy once having a conversation with me, it's all worth it

    Another example of intuitive humour!
    Eh. The persona shouldn't distract you from the fact I'm a geek at heart. It was inevitable that I'd fall into the world eventually.
    And you found some partners in crime in real life? . Well, even if not, there's always us!
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    (Original post by Nirgilis)
    I re-took the test just for you . Results are in the spoiler :yep:

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    I was speaking to my S.O. about it though and they think I act very differently online to how I would act if we were face to face :yep: . Something about having time to carefully consider my answers as I compose them rather than being put on the spot or something like that :rolleyes: . So maybe you picked up on that :yep:

    If you want some sort of convincing - the reason I got into anime in the first place? The colours and the artwork . My first anime was D.N.Angel and I moved through a load of tripe before finding anything even half decent! :lol: . So my primary motive was a Sensing reason, however, it has now developed into something more - I now DO look at the possibilities and the ideals surrounding the plot and storyline :lol: . However, you can't beat 1080p, crisp, colourful artwork though :pierre:

    Anyway, how about you? . I'm guessing there's some sort of INT-ness about you?



    :yep: . I do this job for the community, and not for the power like so many of the younglings we take on . Could I card half the people in this forum? Sure! . But I'd rather be re-designing some sub-forum or another or creating useful tools :rolleyes: . The internet may be full of weirdos, but if even one person genuinely takes away some sort of advice, or feels happy once having a conversation with me, it's all worth it



    And you found some partners in crime in real life? . Well, even if not, there's always us!
    I'm ever suspicious of the online tests. You often see people typed one thing by them and then something different by the professional typists. Because MBTI takes Jungian typology and tries to make it accessible to the masses (in the form of a free, online test), a lot of it is based of behavioral typology rather than the cognitive functions Jung was actually describing. For instance, Judging in the MBTI is indicative of an affinity for rules, order, precision, etc. when the original meaning of 'J' in xxxJ was just to indicate which of the functions was extroverted. For instance, in ISFJ, Feeling is the extroverted function (since the feeling function is a judging function). In ENTP, Intuition is the extraverted function (because it ends in 'P').

    You can take this a step further with the I/Exxx: Jung didn't mean for them to be associated with your sociability. That's unrelated to your functions. The introversion is supposed to denote the attitude of your first function. In the case of ISFJ, it's sensing. So you've got Si, Fe as the main two (then Ti and Ne). See? Works great when used properly xD Typology isn't so concerned with how you act but WHY you act that way.

    My online tests can fluctuate between ENTP and INTJ but you're right in guessing that INTJ is my actual type. Not sure how you figured that out so quickly -- rather impressive -- most tend to guess ENTP. Even the professional typists had issues typing me. In the end Dr. Dario Nardi got involved and did some brain functionality tests and realized my type through different areas of activity. Why do you guess INTx? You said I didn't seem the type to watch anime which to me implied you guessed something along the lines of ESTx initially.
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    Hey, I'm new to this thread and I'm enjoying reading about personality types. A friend in high school introduced me to it (she was also an INTJ) and from then I couldn't stop thinking about it. I don't know why but I just find it very interesting.

    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    I'm ever suspicious of the online tests. You often see people typed one thing by them and then something different by the professional typists. Because MBTI takes Jungian typology and tries to make it accessible to the masses (in the form of a free, online test), a lot of it is based of behavioral typology rather than the cognitive functions Jung was actually describing. For instance, Judging in the MBTI is indicative of an affinity for rules, order, precision, etc. when the original meaning of 'J' in xxxJ was just to indicate which of the functions was extroverted. For instance, in ISFJ, Feeling is the extroverted function (since the feeling function is a judging function). In ENTP, Intuition is the extraverted function (because it ends in 'P'.

    You can take this a step further with the I/Exxx: Jung didn't mean for them to be associated with your sociability. That's unrelated to your functions. The introversion is supposed to denote the attitude of your first function. In the case of ISFJ, it's sensing. So you've got Si, Fe as the main two (then Ti and Ne). See? Works great when used properly xD Typology isn't so concerned with how you act but WHY you act that way.
    Sorry I didn't quite understand what you're explaining and I'm quite curious about it. Do you mind explaining it to me? Thanks if you do
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    Sorry I didn't quite understand what you're explaining and I'm quite curious about it. Do you mind explaining it to me? Thanks if you do
    I could write 3, maybe 4 essays here explaining different parts, but I'll try to give an incredibly brief review in the hope that I don't lose you in the process but you can still see what's going on.

    When you take a MBTI test, you get assigned a 4 letter acronym which corresponds to a personality type. Most tests will tell you that, if you're an INTJ, you're a person who likes to keep to himself rather than socialize, is creative/imaginative, prefers rationality over ethics, and orderliness over spontaneity. The problem is, this is just scratching the surface and makes behavioral based assumptions, deviating away from what typology is really about. This is because Typology was started by a psychologist called Carl Jung, and was written in a style meant for other psychologists to read, but years later a mother and daughter, Myers-Briggs, took Jung's work, and made it accessible to the public by simplifying the work and making an easy test to find out your type.

    When you look deeper into typology, you'll find that we describe 8 functions that describe your thought process and information metabolism: Broadly, they can be split into Judging and Perceiving: The Perceiving functions, Intuition and Sensing, are how we perceive or observe the world. Your Judging functions, Thinking and Feeling, are how we assimilate data in a coherent order -- it's how we reason with the data observed through the Perceiving functions.

    Each function has an 'attitude', introverted and extroverted. Simply put, extroversion is an objective attitude, where your function perceives or judges the object (the thing you're processing) removed from the subject (you), introversion is a subjective attitude, where your function will perceive or judge in a way specific to you, forming a unique impression based on other data you've taken in before.

    With thinking, feeling, sensing and intuition, and the attitudes introversion and extroversion, we have 8 functions that can be used in different combinations to most accurately describe your thought process:
    The Judging Functions: Extroverted Thinking (Te), Introverted Thinking (Ti), Extroverted Feeling (Fe), Introverted Feeling (Fi), and;
    The Perceiving Functions: Extroverted Sensing (Se), Introverted Sensing (Si), Extroverted Intuition (Ne), Introverted Intuition (Ni).

    Now, when I look at INTJ, I don't see Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judger anymore, because what it's actually describing is my functional makeup (Ni, Te, Fi, Se)*
    The functions are far more useful at describing personalities than the dichotomies used in the MBTI tests, and are far more accurate because they don't stereotype in an useless way like Myers Briggs does. The introverted attitude has nothing to do with sociability, it just means that that person's primary mode of working with an object is to do so in their inner world, assimilating the object into himself. It's true that somebody with a primary introverted function, like introverted intuition for an INTJ, is more likely to not be sociable, because they are more comfortable as observers, but an INFJ, for instance, also has an introverted primary function and they are usually quite extroverted (because their functional makeup is Ni Fe Ti Se, and the Ni-Fe likes people systems, while my Ni-Te likes systems).

    *To understand how you get from the 4 letter type to the 4 different functions, you follow quite a simple set of rules:
    In the case of INTJ again, we learn from the letters that my main two functions are intuition and thinking (the letters in the middle), and that the judging function is the extroverted one (because the last letter is 'J' for judging), and lastly that my introverted function (which we then deduce will be intuition since my thinking is extroverted -- they are always opposite) is my primary function.

    So the order is Ni, Te. Then you ask, well what about the other functions? Basically, the system takes two perceiving functions and two judging functions with opposite attitudes (one extroverted and one extroverted, or rational and irrational, or objective and subjective), and polarizes them -- meaning if Introverted Intuition is my strongest function, Extroverted Sensing is my weakest (you see that you're both judging functions?). Then we do the same with my Te. The opposing function is Introverted Feeling, and since Te is my second strongest, Fi is my second weakest. Thus, Ni, Te, Fi, Se.

    Another example: The ESTP:
    Sensing and Thinking
    Perceiving function is extroverted, so Se
    Means judging function is introverted, so Ti
    Extroverted function is strongest so order is Se, Ti
    Opposite of Se is Ni, so Se, Ti, ___ , Ni
    Ti's opposing function is Fe, so Se, Ti, Fe, Ni

    ENTJ:
    Te, Ni, Se, Fi

    ISFJ:
    Si, Fe, Ti, Ne, etc.

    I hope that was at least partially comprehensive.
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    http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/

    This website gives pretty brief descriptions of each function. While the definition aren't perfect, they portray the idea well.
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    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    I could write 3, maybe 4 essays here explaining different parts, but I'll try to give an incredibly brief review in the hope that I don't lose you in the process but you can still see what's going on.

    When you take a MBTI test, you get assigned a 4 letter acronym which corresponds to a personality type. Most tests will tell you that, if you're an INTJ, you're a person who likes to keep to himself rather than socialize, is creative/imaginative, prefers rationality over ethics, and orderliness over spontaneity. The problem is, this is just scratching the surface and makes behavioral based assumptions, deviating away from what typology is really about. This is because Typology was started by a psychologist called Carl Jung, and was written in a style meant for other psychologists to read, but years later a mother and daughter, Myers-Briggs, took Jung's work, and made it accessible to the public by simplifying the work and making an easy test to find out your type.

    When you look deeper into typology, you'll find that we describe 8 functions that describe your thought process and information metabolism: Broadly, they can be split into Judging and Perceiving: The Perceiving functions, Intuition and Sensing, are how we perceive or observe the world. Your Judging functions, Thinking and Feeling, are how we assimilate data in a coherent order -- it's how we reason with the data observed through the Perceiving functions.

    Each function has an 'attitude', introverted and extroverted. Simply put, extroversion is an objective attitude, where your function perceives or judges the object (the thing you're processing) removed from the subject (you), introversion is a subjective attitude, where your function will perceive or judge in a way specific to you, forming a unique impression based on other data you've taken in before.

    With thinking, feeling, sensing and intuition, and the attitudes introversion and extroversion, we have 8 functions that can be used in different combinations to most accurately describe your thought process:
    The Judging Functions: Extroverted Thinking (Te), Introverted Thinking (Ti), Extroverted Feeling (Fe), Introverted Feeling (Fi), and;
    The Perceiving Functions: Extroverted Sensing (Se), Introverted Sensing (Si), Extroverted Intuition (Ne), Introverted Intuition (Ni).

    Now, when I look at INTJ, I don't see Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judger anymore, because what it's actually describing is my functional makeup (Ni, Te, Fi, Se)*
    The functions are far more useful at describing personalities than the dichotomies used in the MBTI tests, and are far more accurate because they don't stereotype in an useless way like Myers Briggs does. The introverted attitude has nothing to do with sociability, it just means that that person's primary mode of working with an object is to do so in their inner world, assimilating the object into himself. It's true that somebody with a primary introverted function, like introverted intuition for an INTJ, is more likely to not be sociable, because they are more comfortable as observers, but an INFJ, for instance, also has an introverted primary function and they are usually quite extroverted (because their functional makeup is Ni Fe Ti Se, and the Ni-Fe likes people systems, while my Ni-Te likes systems).

    *To understand how you get from the 4 letter type to the 4 different functions, you follow quite a simple set of rules:
    In the case of INTJ again, we learn from the letters that my main two functions are intuition and thinking (the letters in the middle), and that the judging function is the extroverted one (because the last letter is 'J' for judging), and lastly that my introverted function (which we then deduce will be intuition since my thinking is extroverted -- they are always opposite) is my primary function.

    So the order is Ni, Te. Then you ask, well what about the other functions? Basically, the system takes two perceiving functions and two judging functions with opposite attitudes (one extroverted and one extroverted, or rational and irrational, or objective and subjective), and polarizes them -- meaning if Introverted Intuition is my strongest function, Extroverted Sensing is my weakest (you see that you're both judging functions?). Then we do the same with my Te. The opposing function is Introverted Feeling, and since Te is my second strongest, Fi is my second weakest. Thus, Ni, Te, Fi, Se.

    Another example: The ESTP:
    Sensing and Thinking
    Perceiving function is extroverted, so Se
    Means judging function is introverted, so Ti
    Extroverted function is strongest so order is Se, Ti
    Opposite of Se is Ni, so Se, Ti, ___ , Ni
    Ti's opposing function is Fe, so Se, Ti, Fe, Ni

    ENTJ:
    Te, Ni, Se, Fi

    ISFJ:
    Si, Fe, Ti, Ne, etc.

    I hope that was at least partially comprehensive.
    Partially comprehensive is the way to describe it! I also read another article about it, here's the link: http://mbtitoday.org/carl-jung-psychological-type/

    What I don't understand is why your judging function is extroverted? So let me see if I've got this right, I'm an INTP so would my functions be Ni, Te, Fi, Se?
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    (Original post by LauraMayden1)
    Partially comprehensive is the way to describe it! I also read another article about it, here's the link: http://mbtitoday.org/carl-jung-psychological-type/

    What I don't understand is why your judging function is extroverted? So let me see if I've got this right, I'm an INTP so would my functions be Ni, Te, Fi, Se?
    INTP's Perceiving function is extroverted, because it ends in 'P'.
    So your function stack would be Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. The functional order you described is INTJ.

    The site you linked has dodgy definitions about energy and introversion/extroversion, etc. Not good. It's more about objective/subjective than whether it energies you.

    EDIT: The reason for WHY is extroverted or introverted is more difficult to explain. Generally, most people will read the function descriptions, figure out which is their primary function, then work out the rest from there.
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    (Original post by hockham jaynsaw)
    INTP's Perceiving function is extroverted, because it ends in 'P'.
    So your function stack would be Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. The functional order you described is INTJ.

    The site you linked has dodgy definitions about energy and introversion/extroversion, etc. Not good. It's more about objective/subjective than whether it energies you.

    EDIT: The reason for WHY is extroverted or introverted is more difficult to explain. Generally, most people will read the function descriptions, figure out which is their primary function, then work out the rest from there.

    Ok, definitely confused now. Is the last letter always extroverted? Because for INTJ you said the judging function was extroverted and for INTP you said the perceiving function was extroverted? When would it be introverted? Or is it the case that if the first letter is I (introverted) then the last one, whether P or J, would be extroverted, and vice versa?
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    Ok, definitely confused now. Is the last letter always extroverted? Because for INTJ you said the judging function was extroverted and for INTP you said the perceiving function was extroverted? When would it be introverted? Or is it the case that if the first letter is I (introverted) then the last one, whether P or J, would be extroverted, and vice versa?
    XXXJ = Je (Extroverted Judging function)
    XXXP = Pe (Extroverted Perceiving function)

    Ixxx = Introverted Primary Function
    Exxx = Extroverted Primary Function.

    .

    INTP.
    Judging Function = Thinking
    Perceiving Function = Intuition.
    Pe (Perceiving Function Extroverted) = Ne, therefore Thinking is Introverted (Ti)
    Ixxx = Introverted Function First = Ti, Ne, Si, Fe

    .

    ENTP
    Judging Function = Thinking
    Perceiving Function = Intuition.
    Pe (Perceiving Function Extroverted) = Ne, therefore Thinking is Introverted (Ti)
    Exxx = Extroverted Function First = Ne, Ti, Fe, Si

    .
    .

    INTJ
    Judging Function = Thinking
    Perceiving Function = Intuition.
    Je (Judging Function Extroverted) = Te, therefore Intuition is Introverted (Ni)
    Ixxx = Introverted Function First = Ni, Te, Fi, Se

    .

    ENTJ
    Judging Function = Thinking
    Perceiving Function = Intuition.
    Je (Judging Function Extroverted) = Te, therefore Intuition is Introverted (Ni)
    Exxx = Extroverted Function First = Te, Ni, Se, Fi
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    XXXJ = Je (Extroverted Judging function)
    XXXP = Pe (Extroverted Perceiving function)

    Ixxx = Introverted Primary Function
    Exxx = Extroverted Primary Function.

    .

    INTP.
    Judging Function = Thinking
    Perceiving Function = Intuition.
    Pe (Perceiving Function Extroverted) = Ne, therefore Thinking is Introverted (Ti)
    Ixxx = Introverted Function First = Ti, Ne, Si, Fe

    .

    ENTP
    Judging Function = Thinking
    Perceiving Function = Intuition.
    Pe (Perceiving Function Extroverted) = Ne, therefore Thinking is Introverted (Ti)
    Exxx = Extroverted Function First = Ne, Ti, Fe, Si

    .
    .

    INTJ
    Judging Function = Thinking
    Perceiving Function = Intuition.
    Je (Judging Function Extroverted) = Te, therefore Intuition is Introverted (Ni)
    Ixxx = Introverted Function First = Ni, Te, Fi, Se

    .

    ENTJ
    Judging Function = Thinking
    Perceiving Function = Intuition.
    Je (Judging Function Extroverted) = Te, therefore Intuition is Introverted (Ni)
    Exxx = Extroverted Function First = Te, Ni, Se, Fi
    Ok I get it, so INTP would be Ti, Ne, Si, Fe ( which you've already told me but I just tried doing it myself lol) I see, interesting,thanks so much
 
 
 
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