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    (Original post by humanrights)
    i only care about actual human rights---the ones that apply to everyone before they are convicted un human crimes like murder.

    can you really not tell the difference between the two categories?

    your version of human rights facilities violence i would suggest.
    1. Learn how to actually quote
    2. Learn what human rights are.
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    (Original post by harmonize)
    So the value of human life is determined by how much one can take away from somebody else for taking it?


    Human life is as valued and preserved higher than it has been anywhere in the world for the last 1000 years. Billions of pounds are spent on healthcare and crime prevention, in this country I am less likely to be killed than most places on earth, I won't starve to death and I have free healthcare.

    It appears to be far more valued in modern Britain.
    Slightly off the way this topic seems to be going, but if you want to know how much a British life is worth, a good start is the government's (via NICE) view of up to approximately £30000 per Quality Adjusted Life Year (BMJ 2009; 338:b181). So if you live a healthy 80 years, the value of your life is about £2.4 million. This is the (very rough) basis on which it is decided whether on it is worth funding a person's treatment on the NHS.
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    I just have to laugh at the idea that the answer to the 'life is too cheap in Britain' question is to bring back the death penalty. The worrying this is, most of you barbaric death-penalty-advocates probably don't see the contradiction.
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    Cheap?
    I maxed out my overdraft just to buy enough orphans to work in my sweatshops.

    They really need to stop taxing on those things, I'm buying them second hand after all.
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    Capital punishment should not be brought back. Shame on the scum that is the Judiciary for allowing such atrocities.
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    1. Learn how to actually quote
    2. Learn what human rights are.


    yes, i am having trouble getting used to this quoting system.


    as for human rights, i'll make my point a different way. why should a convicted murderer have the same human rights as the person who's ultimate right--life-- he or she has taken away?

    yes, i know the official version of human rights. no, i do not agree with its inability to distinguish between the differing behaviour of humans.


    human rights in the modern sense means-- equality despite inequality of action.

    in other words, chaos......
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    compassion for convicted murderers is the ultimate form of barbarism.......


    does anyone know why?
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    (Original post by humanrights)
    compassion for convicted murderers is the ultimate form of barbarism.......


    does anyone know why?
    Go on, tell us..
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    compassion for murderers is no different from compassion for the act of murder itself........
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    I just have to laugh at the idea that the answer to the 'life is too cheap in Britain' question is to bring back the death penalty. The worrying this is, most of you barbaric death-penalty-advocates probably don't see the contradiction.
    Rubbish. There is no contradiction in executing murderers, provided that we come under no pretences that killing itself is the problem. I don't see it as "killing is wrong, it should be punished with death". I see it as "wrongful, immoral killing (murder) should be punished with execution".
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    (Original post by Noodlepants)
    All Rapsits/Paedophiles/Murderers (perhaps only people who've killed more than once) should be sentenced to death. Use Lie detectors/numerous trials/whatever makes it "fair".
    Save us some cash too...

    Simples
    So rapists hang, murders are just locked up unless they make a habit of it?

    Nice priorities.
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    (Original post by humanrights)
    i only care about actual human rights---the ones that apply to everyone before they are convicted of anti human crimes like murder.
    Reminds me of this

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    (Original post by humanrights)
    compassion for murderers is no different from compassion for the act of murder itself........
    That's simply insane.

    (Original post by Liquidus Zeromus)
    Rubbish. There is no contradiction in killing murderers, provided that we come under no pretences that killing itself is the problem. I don't see it as "killing is wrong, it should be punished with death". I see it as "wrongful, immoral killing (murder) should be punished with execution".
    I see execution of murderers as immoral and wrongful.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    I see execution of murderers as immoral and wrongful.
    What's your opinion on abortion?
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    Reading these death penalty advocates posts is like listning to the chavs down the pub talk about "dose ****in pedos m8 need to be executioned!!!" it's shows up utter ignorance about the real causes of and issues surrounding crime and an emotionally thinking, myopic world view filled with hatred.
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    (Original post by im1190)
    Who has the right to sentence someone else to death, even if they have killed another? Doesn't that make them a killer also?


    Or you could see it as

    Killing someone who would commit bad crimes like murder again

    Vs

    Killing someone innocent
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    (Original post by Noodlepants)
    All Rapsits/Paedophiles/Murderers (perhaps only people who've killed more than once) should be sentenced to death. Use Lie detectors/numerous trials/whatever makes it "fair".
    Save us some cash too...

    Simples
    You forgot adulterers.
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    (Original post by im1190)
    Who has the right to sentence someone else to death, even if they have killed another? Doesn't that make them a killer also?
    Oh so politically correct. No, it doesn't also make them a killer.
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    (Original post by humanrights)
    the average sentence for a convicted murderer is 15 years......


    the average sentence for a convicted rapist is 7 years........



    so, life is cheap. but why?
    Beacause the UK is vastly over populated. To put it into context, France has twice the land but same population, and Canda have 10 times the land but half the population.

    It's no great loss if a few people gets snuffed here and there.
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    (Original post by Liquidus Zeromus)
    What's your opinion on abortion?
    The development of a foetus is not black and white. It is a gradual process. To be either for or against abortion in the absolute sense is entirely irrational. I have no problem with a woman choosing to 'abort' a pregnancy in the early stages, as the foetus is just a bunch of cells for the first weeks of its development. The question is, at what stage of the pregnancy do I become uncomfortable with abortion taking place. Well, I'm not a medical expert, but from the little knowledge I do have, I think somewhere between 15-22 weeks is where the line should be drawn. From the evidence I've seen, I am slightly uncomfortable with the current line which sits at 24 weeks.
 
 
 
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