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    Xenon

    I don't want to pee on your bonfire but don't get too excited about working for Boots. I was a store manager for them for two years. I have never taken on a pre-reg student, as the area manager has always sold the idea of one to me by saying something like...."it's an extra pair of hands for free......".

    I personally won't treat a young person like that, so never have. I can tell you all about the pre-reg year - the worst of my life to be sure.

    All the retail companies are dying for pre-reg students, because they are so short of pharmacists.

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    The communications last year was pretty awful tbh. I probably heard from them at about a similar point to what you have, but it was all done by post. and they didn't give me any contact information for my questions like where do I turn up on the first day? Do i need to bring anything or is there anything I need to know?

    I got phoned in about April from a Boots "team builder" or whatever they want to call it asking me to switch store, but i said i wouldn't cos they wanted me to travel for about an extra hour each day.

    I met my tutor on the first day in store, he was ok; not the firiendliest or most helpful, but he knew his stuff and made time to go through all the guff you get given.

    Pretty much everyone I know who did the "Gateway to pre-reg" placement got a pre-reg offer, i'd say well under half accepted it though, partly due to the fact that we saw how pre-reg's were treated first hand.
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    You know what, I am sort of thinking that at least if I get a pre-reg place next year, no matter where (preferring it not to be too far, and not industry), I'll be happy. Last year, 20 people in the year didn't get a pre-reg place, so... I mean, Boots is supposed to have a good training programme, and if they choose me for pre-reg and they help me pass that year, I'll be happy. After pre-reg, you can work anywhere.
    I like the idea of not having to apply for pre-reg (get interview) if you have 3rd year placement. Less stress and I guess makes more sense.

    But, which stores (retail companies) have the best pre-reg placements, and treat their students the best?
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    Thats true, I suppose Xenon. It is always good for your confidence to know that you're assured a pre-reg place. I guess that made me more relaxed for my hospital interview knowing that if I did balls it up, I'd still be able to go and work in the Boots I'd been in over the summer, and despite me ****ging it off a fair bit, they did have an alright structure with study days and packages for you to work through.

    The murmours I'd heard about there being a lack of pre-reg places hasn't really been realised in Manchester this year. I don't know anyone without a place, but we're still getting emails from pharmacys desperately recruiting pre-regs for next year.
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    Xenon

    I am shocked that 20 people did not get a pre-reg place? Lloyds, Boots etc are going (I mean actually sending people) to Poland, Finland, Spain and others, to get pharmacists as they are so short! Ok sorry then, well done you have a place. Get the most out of it you can. Boots are not too bad for training I guess. Learn all you can, and get good at your trade, then you will have the confidence to move anywhere you want to.

    Good for you !!!!!

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    To Anyone Having a Hospital Interview

    I got a job, as a grade D pharmacist, after being only qualified for 4 months. This is what got me it, over another candidate who already had 3 years experience, and a clinical diploma. It was a small hospital with only two pharmacists. The job was to cover maternaty leave and then do a job share afterwards. Q is the questioner, A is what I said.

    Q. There are no other pharmacists in the hospital and all the doctors are on a course. The sister from ward 2 calls you and says she's worried about a patient on a drip.
    A. What's the problem?
    Q. They have developed a sudden high temperature.
    A. Since the drip was put up?
    Q. Yes within 15 minutes
    A. Whats in the drip?
    Q. Flucloxacillin
    A. I would advise them to stop the drip. The patient could be having a bad penicillin reaction. Stopping the drip for an hour or so, until the doctors get back, won't harm the patient, but if it is a bad reaction it could cause real harm, even death to the patient.
    Q. That's correct. Could you make decisions like this, on other matters?
    A. Yes if I felt I had enough information.
    Q. When can you start?

    The woman with the experience, and diploma answered: -
    A. I would find you
    Q. I am on holiday out of the country
    A. I would track you down
    Q. I am in the amazon jungle with no phone
    A. I would call another hospital

    The interviewer (later my boss) told me that even though she had much more experience then me, and a clinical diploma, she simply could not make a decision. As there were only two pharmacists at the hospital,the other pharmacist would often have to run the department alone, and be confident enough to make a decision. He said he felt I could, so I got the job.

    I don't know if this could help you, but basically be confident (not cocky) and try to show you can learn, and use what you have learned to advise others and make decisions.

    I also interviewed two people when in this job. I took both candidates onto my wards with me, and talked to them about possible problems we might find. The first was only interested in re-arranging the stock, supplying drugs etc. They didn't ask a single question, and could not answer any of mine.

    The 2nd listened to what I said, and asked questions about the drug therapy people were on. If he didn't know the answer to my question, he asked me where he could find it. I also took them both on a couple of ward rounds I used to attend. The first said nothing, not a word. The 2nd told the consultant about his final year project, and what he thought about the choice of drugs, asking questions and learning along the way. The team of consultant, SHO's and nurses listened to what he said and asked him questions, which he answered.

    I gave the job to the 2nd candidate. Get the idea?

    You do not have to be a walking BNF, but show you are keen. That's what impresses people.

    Hope this helps someone

    Good Luck to all of you applying for places/jobs

    Go get 'em guys

    Apothecary
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    (Original post by Apothecary)
    Xenon

    I am shocked that 20 people did not get a pre-reg place? Lloyds, Boots etc are going (I mean actually sending people) to Poland, Finland, Spain and others, to get pharmacists as they are so short! Ok sorry then, well done you have a place. Get the most out of it you can. Boots are not too bad for training I guess. Learn all you can, and get good at your trade, then you will have the confidence to move anywhere you want to.

    Good for you !!!!!

    Apothecary
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    I think that they are students in the 4th year, who haven't as yet got them, so the uni are stressing out to try and find some places. I'm pretyy sure that it was 20, I think.
    Sainsburys have pulled out of pre-reg programme haven't they? That also decreases the number of pre-reg spaces available for us. We were told that the number of pre-reg places a company offers never increases, despite the opening of even more schools of pharmacies.
    Thank you apothecary. Your advice has been noted and thanks for sharing your experiences.
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    I'm so glad that this discussion is going on. I'm in a very similar position to Xenon - 3rd yr student with a pre-reg at Boots.Since I've absolutely no Pharmacy experience at all (long story-not really my fault!), I was so grateful for getting the 3rd yr placement with them just so that hopefully I can sort of guarantee a pre-reg placement chance. And likewise, I just want to get my pre-reg out the way and then i can do work where I want (hopefully in hospital).

    Just wanted to know though: what are my chances like getting into hospital after pre-reg in community?

    BTW: Thanks for the very handy advice Apothecary: I'm glad there are such helpful, people like you out there!
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    It's not too late to apply for a hospital pharmacy pre-reg if you're still in third year - http://www.pharmalife.co.uk/ is where you do it, page hasn't been updated for 2007 places yet, but the timeline on there will serve as a rough guide.

    Might as well apply, and if you get one then it'll be the best experience if you want to go into hospital pharmacy - plus the pay is better than Boots anyway!
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    I'm gonna apply to hospital but I doubt I'm gonna get it 'cos there are soooo many students in my area applying for it. (Fingers crossed)

    Just hope Boots doesn't give me a dilemma - ask me to reply before I've got a reply from hospital.

    That's why I want to know how I can get into hospital after pre-reg in community. Starting in hospital will probably will be like another pre-reg year!!!

    P.s. KingspharmL: spill the beans on why you hate boots so much!
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    (Original post by HannahD)
    I'm so glad that this discussion is going on. I'm in a very similar position to Xenon - 3rd yr student with a pre-reg at Boots.Since I've absolutely no Pharmacy experience at all (long story-not really my fault!), I was so grateful for getting the 3rd yr placement with them just so that hopefully I can sort of guarantee a pre-reg placement chance. And likewise, I just want to get my pre-reg out the way and then i can do work where I want (hopefully in hospital).

    Just wanted to know though: what are my chances like getting into hospital after pre-reg in community?

    BTW: Thanks for the very handy advice Apothecary: I'm glad there are such helpful, people like you out there!

    I got my offer of a pre-reg from Boots about a week before I had hopital interviews, so it did take the pressure off. Interviews for the north-west were done in Crawford House (In the uni precinct),and weren't that bad. The deadline this year was about 8th October-ish so you do get a bit of time to try and sort stuff out and make you're mind up, you're under no obligation to accept or turn down an offer before the dealine no matter how much pressure they put you under.

    PS: Re: lack of hospital experience thing, push the hospital placement through uni thing. My placement with uni is through Salford, luckily, the hospital i got pre-reg with, bolton was on the same panel as salford, so i could talk about stuff we did there - going on wards, group learning, just understanding what goes on and what i expected from the pre-reg year.
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    We were told that sometimes what retail pharmacies do is that they give replie before we even do other interviews. And sometimes, they only give you a week or two to reply, which may mean that you have a dliema as to whether to accept the retail pharmacy pre-reg place or give it up and risk maybe not achieving say a hospital pre-reg place.
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    Yeah, they can be swines like that. Boots gave until 8th October for me to get back to them this year, hospital interview was on 24th Sept and I heard back from them in a week, so it was ok in my case. I can imagine it being a really hard dilema deciding whether to stick or twist.
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    They are supposed to allow you to hold offers open until the deadline though - you could just push that with them and tell Boots that your decision is pending. :laugh:

    PS. I hate Boots because I think they're just an evil moneygrabbing corporation, since they are basically the predominant holder of NHS pharmaceutical contracts in this country, they had the largest block of votes in the recent 'referendum' on changes to the contract terms. The changes make life harder for independents as costs increase to achieve the same turnover, and the PSNC were too spineless to fight the Government over it.

    Boots don't care about increased costs, as providing a greater range of NHS services drives more people into their stores. Who will buy more products and make them more £££. With my cynical hat on, I have the impression that Boots provides dispensing services as a loss-leader to drive footfall and capitalise on larger profits from their other sales.

    This is vindicated by looking at their 2005 financial reports - healthcare retail turnover (including OTC as well as dispensing fees, etc.) is only 40% of their year's turnover... ^o)

    http://www.boots-report2005.com/main...d=249&rnd=3144

    I feel bitter that they are driving the profession into a hole from which we won't be able to climb out of - and all for their shareholders short-term gains.

    It's bad enough that the Government is screwing us over, nevermind our own people as well! I suppose it's a small mercy that their annual report shows that they didn't make any political donations last year. :rolleyes: I was quite surprised by that actually, given that they are in Blair's pocket...!
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    Hi Guys

    I choose hospital pharmacy to specialise in during my last year, then did my pre-reg in retail, then got a job in hospital. I think you can too. There is a hospital in Cottingham, Hull, called Castle Hill. I used to work there. We put two adverts in the PJ, at a cost of £2000 per ad, and didn't even get a single applicant! Recruitment and retention in hospitals in some places is still a problem. OK if you want to work at a "top" hospital you may have to compete a bit, but I still think you can move from retail to hospital. Don't forget that there are still dispensaries in hospitals, and if you can show good skills in general pharmacy competence ( so to speak) I feel sure they will employ you. They also like stuff like "I feel the these two sides of pharmacy complement each other, due to.....etc etc".

    i know the give you a deadline, they did when i qualified, but I'd personally always twist. Go for what you really want. If you are prepared to move to other towns i am sure you will always get a pre-reg place.

    I put a post up last night telling of my interview to get my first hospital job. You can find it via my name (search all posts by me). I hope it might be useful to some of you applying for jobs.

    To HannahD thanks, thats very nice of you. Don't worry, starting in a hospital job will not be like doing another pre-reg, no way. You will be qualified then, and that will give you confidence in itself.

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    Forgot to mention - don't be put off by applying for a hospital pre-reg place. Just because loads of people are applying, doesn't mean you're less likely to get one - just that it will come down the individual strength of applications.

    As Apothecary said in the other thread, show them confidence - it makes all the difference.

    I only applied for a hospital pre-reg (no Boots, Lloyds or anything else) - as at the time, I couldn't really have cared less whether I got one or not as I want to go off and do something else long term.

    I got one interview, and got offered a place on the spot. Was very surprising - but I put everything into the interview as I had nothing left to lose.
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    Sorry I should have thanked you also Xenon.

    I have met a lot of pre-reg students, and qualified pharmacists at Boots. A lot of them are not great pharmacists. Obviously a lot are, but I am just telling you this, because when I was in your position I found it easy to tell myself "everyone is great at their job, how will I cope?".

    Don't think like this. If you are a friendly person, who can communicate and make relationships with other professionals and colleagues, you will do ok.

    I only work Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri, and on average are paid around £1000 per week for this. I could work seven days a week if I wanted to. There is so much work out there.

    I have a friend from Iran, and his English is good, but not great. He moved here and worked for Boots about two years ago. After spending about a year with them, he started as a locum. He now does what I do, and hasn't looked back since. He hated Boots, and likes being a locum. I know I have said a lot of bad stuff about pharmacy, but I just wanted to let you know the sticky end!

    I was brought up on a council estate, with my mum, dad and sister. My sister and I both went to Uni, she studying business and marketing. She works in telecoms now.

    Since qualifying I have: -

    1. Never been unemployed
    2. Bought my own four-bed detached house
    3. Bought a new car every 3 years
    4. Been on average 2 holidays a year
    5. Saved up over 50k in my bank account

    Ok I know life is not all about money, but it sure does help! As a pharmacist you will never be unemployed. You could even do VSO. My friend did that somewhere in Africa. She was the only qualified medical person within 500 miles! She said she did everything from giving vaccinations to children, to stitching back on a dogs ear that had been half ripped off! If it's excitement you want consider it!

    The pharmacy-forum.co.uk has a chat room on it now, so if you want to talk to me live, just visit the forum and post in the chatroom section a time you want to chat. That way I could answer your questions as you ask them, if you want to. Please check it out! Maybe we could have a live chat HannahD - I'll help you if I can, just ask. Nobody really helped me when I was in your position, and I know how valuable a bit of help from somebody with experience can be.

    Be cool, confident and careful out there guys.........

    Your country needs you, and is waiting..........

    Go get 'em

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    sorry to resurrect this thread...but is there anyone here who has a boots placement in central london this summer and has recieved an email telling of a change of venue for the induction day(ie not oxford street anymore)?....has anyone in other areas recieved an email of this sort?
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    sorry to resurrect this thread...but is there anyone here who has a boots placement in central london this summer and has recieved an email telling of a change of venue for the induction day(ie not oxford street anymore)?....has anyone in other areas recieved an email of this sort?
    Yeah, I received one. It was previously going to be in strand (which is where my placement will be)
 
 
 
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