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    Basically, I took my dog to the park today. She's a rescue dog so I never let her off the lead as she doesnt exactly get on with other dogs. (she has been attacked since we have had her)

    We were walking fine (she was on an extendable lead but doesnt like to stray to far anyway) then a small dog ran at her (not on a lead!) and attacked her.

    I noticed the dog before it ran at her and when she was attacked the lead was on its shortest length as I pulled her back, but this dogs owners never knew where their dog was at all. My brother even tried to chase their dog away before it got close. My dog obviously and understandably defended herself by turning the other dog (only a puppy) on its back, but weirdly just stayed stood over it (not attacking its throat or anything) until my brother pulled her off.

    Anyway, so the dog's owner started accusing us of having a pitbull when my dog is a staffy cross. She also then said her dog was just trying to socialise which is fair enough but she never knew where it was or the fact that my dog has been attacked in the past.

    My problems ...
    -Her dog should be on a lead in public, especially seeing as she couldnt control it .
    -If her dog wanted to socialise she should have checked it was safe to do so, or she could have gone to the park about 5 minutes away which has a specific area for dogs to socialise.
    -Her dog shouldnt have been out of her site

    So, to sum up, should all *uncontrollable* dogs be on a lead in a public park if others are around?

    ps. Just before you judge my dog, she lived on the street for 3 years prior to us adopting her. She wasnt too bad with dogs until she was attacked in the street when she had been with us a year (another dog off the lead) and she is brilliant with children (she put up with a 3 year old tugging her tail and ears and pushing her about). I have had her for 3/4 years and have been working very hard to sort her beaviour, so obviously this is a huge setback!
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    Of course not.
    All dogs that cannot be controlled should be on lead though.
    I don't use a lead with either of my dogs, they walk right beside me and have never ran away, they show no interest in other dogs/people because they are trained.
    How exactly could I play football/frisbee with my dogs if they were on a lead?

    So to sum up, HER dog should have been on a lead.
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    Wait, the other dog was a puppy? Puppies don't attack, I'm pretty sure the owner was right and it was just socialising/playing. Your dog was trying to dominate it.

    No, dogs shouldn't be kept on their leads because they're dogs and they need to run around and socialise. If they're put on their leads every time another dog is around, they'll assume other dogs aren't friendly and will probably be aggressive when they do meet other dogs.
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    (Original post by chemical_bex)
    Of course not.
    All dogs that cannot be controlled should be on lead though.
    I don't use a lead with either of my dogs, they walk right beside me and have never ran away, they show no interest in other dogs/people because they are trained.
    How exactly could I play football/frisbee with my dogs if they were on a lead?

    So to sum up, HER dog should have been on a lead.
    My bad, i meant uncontrollable dogs! Obviously if you can get your dog to come back to you if it gets distracted then thats fine.

    (Original post by Cybele)
    Wait, the other dog was a puppy? Puppies don't attack, I'm pretty sure the owner was right and it was just socialising/playing. Your dog was trying to dominate it.

    No, dogs shouldn't be kept on their leads because they're dogs and they need to run around and socialise. If they're put on their leads every time another dog is around, they'll assume other dogs aren't friendly and will probably be aggressive when they do meet other dogs.
    She claimed it was a puppy. Seriously though it bolted at my dog mouth open and if you had seen it you would definitely say it was attacking her.
    I should have made myself clearer, I mean uncontrolled dogs. The whole idea of taking my dog where other dogs are is to get her used to being around others so she will learn to socialise
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    Yes. Seeing as they're uncontrollable...

    My dog was "attacked" 5 years ago, and she is still scared of any dog that comes close to her...
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    Yes absolutely all uncontrollable dogs should be on a lead. I have a very traumatised rescue dog that is aggressive to other dogs on the lead and who is uncontrollable off the lead. So we only let him off his lead in the enclosure at the Dogs Trust centre we got him from, and make sure we avoid other dogs when we're walking him. Other inconsiderate and frankly ignorant dog owners who let their dogs off and then don't give a damn where they are/can't call them back have upset my pup so many times it's incredibly frustrating when you're being a responsible owner but others aren't. xx
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    I cant stand it when im relaxing in the park and a dog runs over to me. I think dog walkers should have seperate parks to the rest of us.
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    (Original post by Cybele)
    Wait, the other dog was a puppy? Puppies don't attack, I'm pretty sure the owner was right and it was just socialising/playing. Your dog was trying to dominate it.

    No, dogs shouldn't be kept on their leads because they're dogs and they need to run around and socialise. If they're put on their leads every time another dog is around, they'll assume other dogs aren't friendly and will probably be aggressive when they do meet other dogs.
    This isn't always true.

    Our Black Lab's first litter was full of fighters. Out of the 8, 6 went on to attack other dogs within their first year to their second year. This was definitely fighting. We live in a village and I'd say a good 90% of the people in it own dogs, so there is a lot of fighting to put dog's in front of the other, which is just their nature.

    These pups were no different, and fought with, I think, over 20 other dogs and *****es. Whilst, granted, the case more often then not is pups that young wont attack, though there are exceptions.

    Still; in regards to the OP: I bike with all my dogs, and whilst this is on an open fell, most people let their dogs off anyway. Nothing really ever goes wrong, I just call them over, pretend I've got something I'm going to throw and they sit their fixated on my hand and completely ignore the other dogs. Our dogs are very controlled, however. They are all gun-dogs and as such are very good at listening to commands.
    In terms of less controlled dogs, however, it may be a good idea. But if you've got a dog like that, you should be a better owner and assert yourself as above the dogs in the pack. Although we clearly aren't dogs, they still see us as a pack. They aren't going to listen to sound patterns or watch hand gestures if they believe you're below them in pecking-order.

    However, often it turns out to be the people who can't control their dogs that let them run rampant across the fells. Annoying, really. But hey-ho, its as much their right to walk their dogs there as mine.

    I find that's a technique which works in most situations. Though, if your dog and another owner's dog are going to fight, there wont be much to stop them.
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    (Original post by blinkbelle)
    Yes absolutely all uncontrollable dogs should be on a lead. I have a very traumatised rescue dog that is aggressive to other dogs on the lead and who is uncontrollable off the lead. So we only let him off his lead in the enclosure at the Dogs Trust centre we got him from, and make sure we avoid other dogs when we're walking him. Other inconsiderate and frankly ignorant dog owners who let their dogs off and then don't give a damn where they are/can't call them back have upset my pup so many times it's incredibly frustrating when you're being a responsible owner but others aren't. xx
    Poor dog I wouldnt mind but all they have to do is ask if your dog doesnt mind. Obviously I keep my dog on a lead because I cant trust her off it. Her ignorance was what annoyed me most!
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    (Original post by DH-Biker)

    Still; in regards to the OP: I bike with all my dogs, and whilst this is on an open fell, most people let their dogs off anyway. Nothing really ever goes wrong, I just call them over, pretend I've got something I'm going to throw and they sit their fixated on my hand and completely ignore the other dogs.

    I find that's a technique which works in most situations. Though, if your dog and another owner's dog are going to fight, there wont be much to stop them.
    I dont mind if they are under control, which yours obviously are. Its just if you know your dog cant be trusted then by keeping them on a lead you control whether they approach other dogs or not, so that can reduce the risk of fights
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    (Original post by MissLightyear)
    My bad, i meant uncontrollable dogs! Obviously if you can get your dog to come back to you if it gets distracted then thats fine.
    Ahh, I thought that seemed a bit much, even really well trained dogs being on leads all the time
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    (Original post by MissLightyear)
    I dont mind if they are under control, which yours obviously are. Its just if you know your dog cant be trusted then by keeping them on a lead you control whether they approach other dogs or not, so that can reduce the risk of fights
    Oh of course. I edited my post about a minute or so afterwards, sorry about that.

    People don't realize how dog's "think". They try and pin human logic onto an animal and that doesn't work. A human wouldn't walk into a park, walk up to another human, punch it and then fight off all other humans who tried to fill the void left.

    Its honestly quite annoying how many people think, "Well, if I wouldn't attack anyone, clearly my dog never would. It thinks as I do, you know!" Those are the kind of people you and I are on about, I believe.

    I know my dogs are going to attack another dog if it gets close or threatens one of Teal's pups, but if you have control over even better a lead; job's done. Those foolish bloody people who say, "Oh, its ok, they're only making friends!" Only to have their dog yelp or die, those are the one's that piss me off. :cool: And they are certainly the one's that should have leads strapped nailed to their hands and held fairly tight around the dog's neck.
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    (Original post by DH-Biker)
    Oh of course. I edited my post about a minute or so afterwards, sorry about that.

    People don't realize how dog's "think". They try and pin human logic onto an animal and that doesn't work. A human wouldn't walk into a park, walk up to another human, punch it and then fight off all other humans who tried to fill the void left.

    Its honestly quite annoying how many people think, "Well, if I wouldn't attack anyone, clearly my dog never would. It thinks as I do, you know!" Those are the kind of people you and I are on about, I believe.

    I know my dogs are going to attack another dog if it gets close or threatens one of Teal's pups, but if you have control over even better a lead; job's done. Those foolish bloody people who say, "Oh, its ok, they're only making friends!" Only to have their dog yelp or die, those are the one's that piss me off. :cool: And they are certainly the one's that should have leads strapped nailed to their hands and held fairly tight around the dog's neck.
    I'll let you off

    I have been seeking advice with my dog and have got to the stage where she behaves, listens and realises I'm the boss. Thats why this is a bit of a setback.

    I know what you mean about how dogs think. Its amazing how many people think they behave just like humans

    Totally agree with everything said in that post too :cool:


    (Original post by chemical_bex)
    Ahh, I thought that seemed a bit much, even really well trained dogs being on leads all the time
    Did sound a bit stupid how I worded it didnt it
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    You did nothing wrong there. They shouldn't have let the dog out of their sight, imo.
    No-one should have their dog off the lead in public areas if they can't control them. It's dangerous for the dog and everyone else.

    I feel particularly strongly about this, because the first dog I ever had ended up being killed on the road because of some morons and their two greyhounds.:mad:

    She was only a year old and I had her off the lead in the woods near my house. Suddenly a couple with two massive greyhounds came up the path, and both dogs went straight for my little spaniel puppy. She obviously would have had no chance in a fight against them, so she tried to run away, and one of the greyhounds chased her all the way out of the woods. One of the greyhound owners and I ran after them, and I reached the road just in time to see her slam into a car while the greyhound got away unscathed.

    I was only 10 or 11 and it was really traumatic for me. Worst thing was the greyhound's owners didn't seem very remorseful, and when I met them a few months later with a different dog, they let their dogs snarl at it and said "So this is the new one then, is it?" Grrr.. >=(

    So yeah. I'm definitely not a fan of uncontrollable dogs off the lead.
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    Parks are for people not for bloody dogs!
    All dogs should be on leads at all times in parks.
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    (Original post by Dusty12)
    You did nothing wrong there. They shouldn't have let the dog out of their sight, imo.
    No-one should have their dog off the lead in public areas if they can't control them. It's dangerous for the dog and everyone else.

    I feel particularly strongly about this, because the first dog I ever had ended up being killed on the road because of some morons and their two greyhounds.:mad:

    She was only a year old and I had her off the lead in the woods near my house. Suddenly a couple with two massive greyhounds came up the path, and both dogs went straight for my little spaniel puppy. She obviously would have had no chance in a fight against them, so she tried to run away, and one of the greyhounds chased her all the way out of the woods. One of the greyhound owners and I ran after them, and I reached the road just in time to see her slam into a car while the greyhound got away unscathed.

    I was only 10 or 11 and it was really traumatic for me. Worst thing was the greyhound's owners didn't seem very remorseful, and when I met them a few months later with a different dog, they let their dogs snarl at it and said "So this is the new one then, is it?" Grrr.. >=(

    So yeah. I'm definitely not a fan of uncontrollable dogs off the lead.
    awwww, that must have been horrible! I hope the greyhound owners had their dogs on a lead when you saw them again!
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    (Original post by Dusty12)
    You did nothing wrong there. They shouldn't have let the dog out of their sight, imo.
    No-one should have their dog off the lead in public areas if they can't control them. It's dangerous for the dog and everyone else.

    I feel particularly strongly about this, because the first dog I ever had ended up being killed on the road because of some morons and their two greyhounds.:mad:

    She was only a year old and I had her off the lead in the woods near my house. Suddenly a couple with two massive greyhounds came up the path, and both dogs went straight for my little spaniel puppy. She obviously would have had no chance in a fight against them, so she tried to run away, and one of the greyhounds chased her all the way out of the woods. One of the greyhound owners and I ran after them, and I reached the road just in time to see her slam into a car while the greyhound got away unscathed.

    I was only 10 or 11 and it was really traumatic for me. Worst thing was the greyhound's owners didn't seem very remorseful, and when I met them a few months later with a different dog, they let their dogs snarl at it and said "So this is the new one then, is it?" Grrr.. >=(

    So yeah. I'm definitely not a fan of uncontrollable dogs off the lead.
    :hugs: that sounds horrific. In general greyhounds/lurcher breeds should rarely be off the lead, as their instinct & speed is such that if they see a small furry animal they're likely to chase it until they catch it/are lost or hit by a car. My pooch is a saluki/lurcher cross, so we only let him off in secure spaces xx
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    (Original post by MissLightyear)
    awwww, that must have been horrible! I hope the greyhound owners had their dogs on a lead when you saw them again.
    They were on the lead, but I was on a footpath when I saw them. I bet they still let them off the lead in the woods.

    (Original post by blinkbelle)
    :hugs: that sounds horrific. In general greyhounds/lurcher breeds should rarely be off the lead, as their instinct & speed is such that if they see a small furry animal they're likely to chase it until they catch it/are lost or hit by a car. My pooch is a saluki/lurcher cross, so we only let him off in secure spaces xx
    Yeah, it's only sensible to take extra care when letting a dog like a greyhound off the lead because you're not exactly going to be able to catch it if it runs off on you! It's amazing that these people had two of them off the lead as well. Especially in an unenclosed space so near the centre of a town.

    The whole incident's made me really paranoid now though, even six years later. I still walk in the same woods, but I only let my dog off the lead far away from the roads, and I protectively grab him and put him on the lead when I see other dogs approaching. It's not very fun for him, but i just can't risk it.

    Grr, it's awful. The few irresponsible dog owners always ruin it for everyone else.
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    If we see another dog on a lead, we will put ours on. However if they are off lead, we just let ours go up to them unless there is some kind of signal from the other owner.

    My dog doesn't like to stray too far from us anyway, and always stays in sight She is only off lead in a safe area, or in the woods, nowhere near roads
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    (Original post by firewolf)
    If we see another dog on a lead, we will put ours on. However if they are off lead, we just let ours go up to them unless there is some kind of signal from the other owner.

    My dog doesn't like to stray too far from us anyway, and always stays in sight She is only off lead in a safe area, or in the woods, nowhere near roads
    Thats how it should be, that way your dog can socialise if the other dog wants to but if not then there wont be a fight
 
 
 
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