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    (Original post by garethDT)
    Tell that to the people losing their £20k per year jobs because we 'can't afford it'.
    Banning the bonus might make them feel better but it won't bring their jobs back.
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    (Original post by AreYouDizzeeBlud_x)
    Is it only me that believes this?

    We're facing cuts to build for the future yet these people only care about themselves without thinking about the long term impact if we never had cuts now.

    Also, I can bet a lot of them are also the same people who blasted students for standing up against the tuition fee increase which was a lot more important. The tuition fee increase means people who want to go to university have to now take on board that they could have a massive amount of debt for the rest of their working lives. These cuts are not as severe, in any way at all.
    Hypocritical much?
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    (Original post by AreYouDizzeeBlud_x)
    thrown out on the street?

    if you lose your job in this country you can claim JSA.

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    Not for much longer..
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Hypocritical much?
    not at all.

    The tuition fee increase is far more likely to have an effect on the longevity of someone's working life whereas losing your job means you can still claim as well as look for work elsewhere. Plus under the new system you have to be offered jobs before you get your JSA taken from you anyway so anyone who has their JSA stopped has basically turned down jobs, regardless of what jobs they are. No person is bigger than a job and I have far more respect for someone cleaning the streets and who are willing to work for their money than someone claiming.

    The problem with this country is far too many people immediately want their ideal job without starting at the bottom of the career ladder and working their way up. Hence why you see so many people turn down jobs in fast food restaurants, working as waiters/waitresses and cleaners, simply because they think they are above it.
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    (Original post by No Future)
    Not for much longer..
    yes you can.

    you have to turn down jobs before you get your JSA stopped, which in my opinion is fair enough.

    if I was out of work, i'd take any job I could to earn an income, regardless of what is was or what I had to do.

    some people think they are above certain jobs and turn them down at the job centre all the time.

    whenever i've gone to the job centre, i've ended up with a job because rather than be picky, im happy doing anything to earn a bit of money to contribute to the family home.
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    (Original post by AreYouDizzeeBlud_x)
    not at all.

    The tuition fee increase is far more likely to have an effect on the longevity of someone's working life whereas losing your job means you can still claim as well as look for work elsewhere. Plus under the new system you have to be offered jobs before you get your JSA taken from you anyway so anyone who has their JSA stopped has basically turned down jobs, regardless of what jobs they are. No person is bigger than a job and I have far more respect for someone cleaning the streets and who are willing to work for their money than someone claiming.

    The problem with this country is far too many people immediately want their ideal job without starting at the bottom of the career ladder and working their way up. Hence why you see so many people turn down jobs in fast food restaurants, working as waiters/waitresses and cleaners, simply because they think they are above it.
    So saying that people are stupid for only thinking about themselves then saying the most important cut is the one that effects students on a student forum isn't hypocritical?

    How?
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
    He read a few threads on TSR and now OP thinks he's smart for disagreeing with a protest. Fail thread is fail... enough threads about this... some people don't see the cuts as necessary as the Tories are making them out to be, and others think it is necessary and some don't care....
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    (Original post by AreYouDizzeeBlud_x)
    Is it only me that believes this?

    We're facing cuts to build for the future yet these people only care about themselves without thinking about the long term impact if we never had cuts now.

    Its not only that but the fact that these cuts are not going to leave people in severe poverty or leave people struggling, yes they may have to budget a bit better, yes they may have to go without a luxury now and then that they could have previously afforded, but those are issues we all have to face together.

    In my opinion these people should be thankful that there is welfare in place that they can always fall back on, if the worst comes to the worst and that they will always have a roof over their heads, food on the table and clothes to keep them warm.
    I think you're being extremely naive:

    The homeless charity Crisis, whose Christmas centres open this weekend, warns that homelessness can affect anyone. It warns that even if you have a good job, things can go wrong quickly.

    A recent survey showed one in five people said it would only take a month for an unexpected drop in income to have a knock-on effect on their housing.

    Most people wrongly assume there is a safety net, but only people with children are likely to qualify for emergency accommodation.
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    (Original post by AreYouDizzeeBlud_x)
    yes you can.

    you have to turn down jobs before you get your JSA stopped, which in my opinion is fair enough.

    if I was out of work, i'd take any job I could to earn an income, regardless of what is was or what I had to do.

    some people think they are above certain jobs and turn them down at the job centre all the time.

    whenever i've gone to the job centre, i've ended up with a job because rather than be picky, im happy doing anything to earn a bit of money to contribute to the family home.
    Well same here and I've never tried to claim JSA
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    (Original post by No Future)
    Not for much longer..
    Well ok it'll be called universal credit but same difference.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    So saying that people are stupid for only thinking about themselves then saying the most important cut is the one that effects students on a student forum isn't hypocritical?

    How?
    No its not because students are not only thinking about themselves, they're thinking about the generations to come after them too, which is not selfish.

    Many on the protest are not affected by the cuts and are either going to university in 2011 or are already at university.

    The majority of them were campaigning on behalf of future students, how is that selfish?
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    (Original post by 4TSR)
    He read a few threads on TSR and now OP thinks he's smart for disagreeing with a protest. Fail thread is fail... enough threads about this... some people don't see the cuts as necessary as the Tories are making them out to be, and others think it is necessary and some don't care....
    I haven't read any threads about cuts or anything.

    That is my own opinion based on witnessing the protests myself and the comments made by protesters and politicians on the day.

    Ed Miliband made himself look extremely stupid on the day, as he did before that.
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    (Original post by dreiviergrenadier)
    I think you're being extremely naive:
    thats false.

    my cousin got kicked out at 18, and within a few days he was given a place. I also know of ex school mates who've been through the same thing. They've spent a few nights sleeping on someone's settee (not the end of the world) and then had their own place very soon. Not exactly 5 star accommodation but its still a roof over their head and they still get JSA to spend on food and so on. A number of them also have enough money to buy weed as well.
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    (Original post by No Future)
    Well same here and I've never tried to claim JSA
    neither have I because I've always got a job there which is why it angers me when I hear people at the job centre turn down jobs because they think they should instantly have the job they want.
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    This is how i see the Anarchist protesters; they claim to be representing the working class. So they smash up buildings, graffiti, and cause general vandalism. Then expect the "real workers" meaning the street cleaners to clear up their mess. When the anarchists have all gone back to their ****ty flats.
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    (Original post by AreYouDizzeeBlud_x)
    neither have I because I've always got a job there which is why it angers me when I hear people at the job centre turn down jobs because they think they should instantly have the job they want.
    Mate, graduate working at mcdonalds isn't really the ideal job for some people.
    The expectations are just way too high after uni for 99% of people with non professional degrees.
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    (Original post by Theconomist)
    Mate, graduate working at mcdonalds isn't really the ideal job for some people.
    The expectations are just way too high after uni for 99% of people with non professional degrees.
    yes but no one is saying they have to work there forever are they?

    its quite simple to work in McDonalds for a couple of months whilst applying for jobs related to your degree. This would also be more attractive to those looking to employ you as they can see you're currently in work.

    I'd happily work in McDonalds for a few months and during that time apply for jobs such as a software engineer, web designer or any other profession related to my degree.

    Anyone who thinks its the norm to walk out of university and straight into a graduate job, especially during tough economic times, really wants to wake up to reality. Yes, some do get graduate jobs straight after but more often than not they're the graduates who had placement years within their course and they then go back working for the company they had their placement with.

    As an employer, I'd rather see a graduate with 10 months at McDonalds on their CV and 6 months working as a cleaner than someone who's employment history contains a large period where they've been unemployed and claiming JSA.
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    What really ****** me off is the ignorant ***** who go to these protests vandalising historical buildings/monuments. Aren't they going against what they're fighting for, seeing as the taxpayer will be picking up the bill. When they attacked a LTSB branch in London yesterday, were they not aware that it is part owned by the state?

    Here's some figures for those that think that Labour aren't in the wrong

    -Before repayments to the IMF, £56 bn is paid just in interest
    -For every £4 spent, £1 is borrowed
    -Our national debt is £4 trillion

    Who is at fault here? Obviously labour. They massively overspent on nearly everything and created pointless burreaucracy throughout the public sector.

    All the 'big three' knew that there would have to be cuts and there would be protests no matter what. Who would they blame the cuts on then?

    If the treasury's plan of action works out properly, our national debt should be significantly reduced by 2016.
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    (Original post by jhubbert)
    What really ****** me off is the ignorant ***** who go to these protests vandalising historical buildings/monuments. Aren't they going against what they're fighting for, seeing as the taxpayer will be picking up the bill. When they attacked a LTSB branch in London yesterday, were they not aware that it is part owned by the state?

    Here's some figures for those that think that Labour aren't in the wrong

    -Before repayments to the IMF, £56 bn is paid just in interest
    -For every £4 spent, £1 is borrowed
    -Our national debt is £4 trillion

    Who is at fault here? Obviously labour. They massively overspent on nearly everything and created pointless burreaucracy throughout the public sector.

    All the 'big three' knew that there would have to be cuts and there would be protests no matter what. Who would they blame the cuts on then?

    If the treasury's plan of action works out properly, our national debt should be significantly reduced by 2016.
    They are dumb ****s anyway.
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    (Original post by jhubbert)
    What really ****** me off is the ignorant ***** who go to these protests vandalising historical buildings/monuments. Aren't they going against what they're fighting for, seeing as the taxpayer will be picking up the bill. When they attacked a LTSB branch in London yesterday, were they not aware that it is part owned by the state?
    those were just gangs intent on causing trouble and not the actual protesters, just like the mindless idiots at the student protest.

    Here's some figures for those that think that Labour aren't in the wrong

    -Before repayments to the IMF, £56 bn is paid just in interest
    -For every £4 spent, £1 is borrowed
    -Our national debt is £4 trillion

    Who is at fault here? Obviously labour. They massively overspent on nearly everything and created pointless burreaucracy throughout the public sector.
    Agreed 100%. Labour flooded the public sector with irrelevant jobs which over inflated it and led to money being wasted within it. All the coalition are doing now is getting rid of jobs that are not needed. Just as they're getting rid of a lot of the administration costs that are not needed. I also hope that they put an end to all the health and safety nonsense labour introduced so that the construction industry can grow again and expand which in turn will lead to more people getting into work and further boost the economy. Labourers and those who specialise within the construction industry have been massively affected by red tape and too much paper work, which has led to time being wasted, which inevitably leads to turnover and profit being affected and less tax being paid into the system whilst companies go through tough times.


    All the 'big three' knew that there would have to be cuts and there would be protests no matter what. Who would they blame the cuts on then?
    Exactly. Even Ed Miliband stated a few months ago that he would have made cuts had Labour secured power yet he still went on an anti-cuts march yesterday, which in my opinion is extremely hypocritical and clearly just a tactic to cause issues for the coalition. Also, even if Labour were in power and had made less severe cuts, then the time it would take to deal with the deficit would be a lot longer. I'd rather have a shorter period of severe cuts and then growth than a long period of mediocre cuts. Deal with the issue and then focus on the next plan of action.

    If the treasury's plan of action works out properly, our national debt should be significantly reduced by 2016.
    Exactly. Had labour still been in power and made less severe cuts then we would be looking at 2020 onwards, when really we want to deal with the issue as soon as possible and then look at growth.
 
 
 
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