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    Its hard to talk about the dominance of a certain sex in interpersonal relationships without making a bunch of generalisations. For a start, women's courting at clubs and whatnot isn't simply limited by their makeup, because women, as with men, also have to be confident, or you're just going to feel like a small fish in a big pond. Women can be shy too, and making us synonymous to our vaginas alone is an example of why feminists take offence at how they are presented by society.

    What exactly is being revealed here? That many men are uncomfortable with the pressure of being an alpha male and that some women wield their pussy with the intent to manipulate? We're all human, and we don't necessarily have to conform to the active and passive stereotypes of men and women.
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    Some guys do really give womens' parts power and the things some guys to do get laid... or to pull, I weep for guys that act like idiots, douchebags or whatever to be 'alpha males' and show off

    anyone can have power and an inflated ego accordingly if they're treated like they're some god or as if they're so hot, I just think it's especially sad when guys get obsessed with a girl that's clearly *****y and stuck up but still go for her, then they just get played
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    Isn't it evolutionary?
    Men generally have a higher sex drive than women, thus women find it easier being "choosey", whilst men generally will take what they can get, to an extent.
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    I don't think stereotyping genders like that is especially helpful and conductive to a good argument. Also, you say women have the power in interpersonal relationships, which is quite a ridiculous contention if you take into account the amount of sexual abuse around. The rape culture is indeed alive and well...
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    (Original post by Reflexive)
    If there wasn't such a gap between the sexual desirability of women vis-a-vis men women wouldn't be objectified as much. In such a world, women would whistle at much as much as men whistle at women!
    I would prefer to think that in such a world no-one would whistle at anyone.
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    (Original post by Reflexive)
    I see merit in the biological argument but it's way too simplified. In many species the female is dominant as opposed to the male for a start. Secondly there are tribes where females are dominant. Thirdly we are not just animals, we have many more layers than that, psychological layers, social layers, systems, organisations, countries, civilisations, histories... it's absurd to just say the human condition is just like that of monkeys or whatever.

    This very fact allows for the separation to becomes amplified, the differences to become vast. Since humans can accumulate wealth and status of vast quantities, animals cannot. The comparisons with the animal kingdom are possible and in many cases can tell us a great deal, but it's certainly not the whole story, not by a long stretch.

    I already said in my first post I don't have girls hanging off my arm. And that I agree just whining about things is self-defeating. So what you're saying is no one can ever argue against the status quo? Unless they're highly successful with women; then they might have a point?
    I do agree that we are far more complex than animals however, I do think that this topic of sexual selection is the least complex of human behaviours. To a degree, it is very much instinctive and hasn't evolved a great deal over the years. In fact many say it's the one thing which makes us animalistic.

    I think that the theory of sexual selection does have some sense to it. It's appears both applicable to many animal species and in a sense humans.
    Where intra-sexual selection is when members of one sex (often male) compete for access to other (often females)
    And inter-sexual selection is when members of one sex (often females) choose from the available pool of male mates on the basis of desirable features.

    So according to this, in a club situation the guy would go up to a girl and talk to her and the female decides whether she likes him or not or choses him over another guy... (obviously this is a strong generalisation and there's more to it than this but it is a strong starting point)

    I don't really see what dominance has to do with this though? What do you mean by it exactly?

    What I'm saying is don't get all het up by it, I think you should just accept it for the way it is. It doesn't necessarily mean that the females have the upper hand in meeting a guy in clubs or wherever. In fact from what you've previously said that all the females really have to do is look pretty then perhaps it is easier for the males- if a guy is less good looking he can rely more on other aspects such as confidence, humour etc?
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    I do get wound up by regurgitated social Darwinist rhetoric about ‘ALPHA MALES’ pulling all the females. What are Alpha Males exactly? 'Playerz' who get through a lot of sexual intercourse? It doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re in healthy or long-lasting relationships. And what kind of woman are these alphas pulling exactly?

    It isn’t that pussy is being put on a pedestal, it’s that far too much importance is being placed upon the act of sexual intercourse. Yes, sex can be a nice physical act, and is essential for the means of procreation, but that's it. Many TSR guys act as if they don't have sex by the age of 25 they'll physically explode is a shower of ***.
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    (Original post by feverrobotics)
    Its hard to talk about the dominance of a certain sex in interpersonal relationships without making a bunch of generalisations. For a start, women's courting at clubs and whatnot isn't simply limited by their makeup, because women, as with men, also have to be confident, or you're just going to feel like a small fish in a big pond. Women can be shy too, and making us synonymous to our vaginas alone is an example of why feminists take offence at how they are presented by society.

    What exactly is being revealed here? That many men are uncomfortable with the pressure of being an alpha male and that some women wield their pussy with the intent to manipulate? We're all human, and we don't necessarily have to conform to the active and passive stereotypes of men and women.
    It's far more important for men to be confident than women, and it's far more important for women to look pretty than men.

    What's being revealed here is that feminists often disregard a sphere of life where women are dominant, that is, when it comes to sexual desirability. In a way it's a consequence of men's dominance. And idealised media stereotypes.
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    (Original post by toasteh)
    I don't think stereotyping genders like that is especially helpful and conductive to a good argument. Also, you say women have the power in interpersonal relationships, which is quite a ridiculous contention if you take into account the amount of sexual abuse around. The rape culture is indeed alive and well...
    I think sexual abuse is a consequence of the revering of the vagina. I use that as short hand for female sexuality, since many feminists bandy the word penis around and no-one takes offence.
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    (Original post by MrsCrackFox)
    What I'm saying is don't get all het up by it, I think you should just accept it for the way it is. It doesn't necessarily mean that the females have the upper hand in meeting a guy in clubs or wherever. In fact from what you've previously said that all the females really have to do is look pretty then perhaps it is easier for the males- if a guy is less good looking he can rely more on other aspects such as confidence, humour etc?
    By dominance I mean dominant in terms of having power over really.

    I don't believe in accepting things they way they are. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to spend my life campaigning this or anything, just felt I needed to vent. I don't want to spend my life single or anything, which is inevitably what would happen if I turned into some kind of anti-pussy power campaigner! You can't just rely on confidence and humour by snapping your fingers by the way! It would be nice if it was like that.
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    Is the OP trying to revolutionise male ideology through TSR?
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    (Original post by Reflexive)
    Women have all the power over men when it comes to interpersonal relationships.

    I'm not saying all women connivingly or even deliberately use their vaginas as weapons against men, just that something is seriously wrong with society when women are in such an elevated position when it comes to sexual/personal relationships. To give an extreme example, in a club women are accorded a far superior status over men. So many men struggle with how to act in a club to pick up women. Typical advice on here and elsewhere is 'be more confident'. But that's empty advice really. It's like telling a depressed person to 'snap out of it'. Whereas for women, looks are all important, so they have to look more attractive by wearing nice clothes and doing their make-up and hair nice. Costly, but so much easier than 'being more confident'.

    There are thousands of books and courses on how to pick up women. Men are really struggling with this thing. And as those men who are 'alpha', well-built, naturally confident etc., are working their way through (excuse the phrase) countless women, the average guy is finding it harder and harder. I think I remember reading before that it is supposedly a small group of men who are having sex with most women, meaning they have multiple partners, leaving most guys in no man's land.

    Take another example which demonstrates the superior sexual power of women over men: the internet. Look on online dating websites: women are bombarded with messages, hardly ever message first, and guys have to almost perform miracles to get any attention. You hear stories of men sending pictures of their penises to women, who then inevitably go 'eww what a weirdo'. Now, if a women was to send a guy a picture of her vagina, he'd be like, 'sweet!'. So why is this? Why is the power of the pussy so dominant?

    I think a large part of this whole thing is celebrity culture where everything is idealised. Women want their 'ken', men want their barbie. That's inculcated from an extremely young age. Slightly later, girls are indoctrinated into viewing disney heartthrobs as the ideal man, and then pop stars like Bieber and then big time male actors like DiCaprio etc. And of course, because in movies all actors appear super confident because it's scripted, girls get an inaccurate representation of what guys are like. They want their hollywood, perfect romance. Hence they'll only settle for alpha guys. Similarly, guys see extremely hot girls in porn, and are not longer attracted by average looking girls. They want their hot, perfectly made up girl with nice hair, slim body etc.

    Now I'm not saying these are the exclusive causes of what I'm describing, but I think they have exacerbated the problem in recent times. Afterall, the power of the pussy is ancient. Rulers have gone to war, murders have been committed, civilisations have fallen, because of the power of the pussy.

    Notice that all what I have said so far has not even got onto the women who deliberately wield their pussy as a weapon by playing off men against each other, withholding it in relationships, being *****y in clubs, teasing men etc. I have not gone into detail because I know that doesn't apply to most women.

    In a nutshell, I get tired of feminists who claim men have so much power over women in all spheres of life, when it simply isn't true. Sure, in the wider and deeper scheme of things, men generally do have the power over women. It is definitely a patriarchal society we live in. But feminists do not seem to acknowledge that is women who increasingly have the power when it comes to interpersonal relationships, arguably the most important sphere in life.

    One last point. Am I bitter? Well, I am not an alpha male. If I had women hanging off my arm all the time, I probably wouldn't have even given much thought to the above points. But, this doesn't mean I can't make my own observations. Please don't take this the wrong way; I love women, and spending time with them if probably the best pleasure life has to offer. It's just that I think something is seriously wrong when they have been elevated to god-like status when it comes to sexual relations. The power of the pussy is phenomenal and unhealthy in a world where we should strive for equality and fairness.
    Pussy is only as pwerful as you make it
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    Pussy rules and always will.
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    If you let the pussy have power over you - then it's your own fault you are controlled by it.
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    pussy is important only if you decide to make it so!!
    Other than that you can not be slave of your hormones and you should use your head and go out, being yourself, trying to find the future mother of your children :P

    but if all you want is pussy, then it's hard to get...
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    (Original post by RequiemForADream)
    N'aww I'm sure they do
    I can suddenly imagine some creepy stalker guy worshipping a shrine of it now
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    Great OP.

    Not surprised by the amount of people not understand it properly either.
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    After reading just the first paragraph of the OP's post, I get the impression he thinks that:
    a) All women go out to pick up a man to have sex with.
    b) Women always fall for the really confident, alpha male types who think they can just "get it" because they're confident/good looking/whatever.
 
 
 
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