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First university announces fees lower than £9k

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Reply 60
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Cicerao
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First read: Gross test
Second read: Grotesque
Third read: Gross testes

...nice name. D:
Reply 61
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Smtn
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Both my parents studied (and met) there. It's a specialist teacher training college
Reply 62
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kerily
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Original post by Quady
Wouldn't that just make them an idiot who deserves everything they get?


No.

While it would make financial sense in the long run to go to a more prestigious university, many people from houses with lower incomes have an inbuilt mental block about spending money on themselves - although I am going to university, I feel exceptionally selfish for spending £3k a year on myself for four years as that's far more than I have ever seen anyone spend on anything (outside of a house or possibly a car) in my whole life. While it will probably pay off with a higher salary in 10 years' time, there is still a lot of pressure on people from lower-income homes not to go to university, and instead to get a 'proper' job and to earn instead of getting into debt while studying. So if someone has decided to study anyway, they may feel very uncomfortable about spending £9k a year where they could be spending £6k a year - and thus choose the option which is cheaper.

They might also not know that degrees from different institutions aren't always worth the same amount - 'a degree is a degree no matter where it's from' is a sadly prevalent but wrong attitude among a lot of people.

I appreciate that on TSR, say, it would be very daft to say 'oh, I'll choose London Met over UCL to save £3k a year' but sadly, people aren't always as well-informed as they seem to be on here.
Original post by kerily
I don't agree with raising tuition fees, but I do think that if some universities are charging £9k, it's best if everyone charges £9k - it at least means that people aren't going 'ooh, Leeds Met is £500 a year cheaper than UCL, I'll apply there instead'.


What idiot would seriously do that?

Also, UCL I presume would be far generous in terms of bursaries so actually it would be cheaper to attend UCL than Leeds Met due to the support you would get.

In fact, if you're a poor person (under £16,000) and wanting to do a BA in English:

At Oxford: £15,500 in tuition fees.

At Leeds Met: £25,500.

That's not even considering other grants and bursaries you will be able to get at Oxford.

So, seriously, what retard would think "hmm, I'll study at Leeds Met even though the quality of education is lower and I will be £10,000 more in debt".

:rofl: Those students deserve to be ripped off.
Original post by impossible!
Really hope no-one in their right mind would think saving £500 justifies going to Leeds Met instead of UCL...haha.


If they do (LOL!), they deserve to get ripped off.
If the uni's we have never heard of go around that mark imagine the decent uni fees...

It still stands that the welsh don't have to pay the increased fees right?... :ninja:
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Original post by kerily
Perhaps a bit of an extreme example :tongue: But I'd hate someone to think 'well, I'm a good enough candidate to go to X £9k university, but I could save thousands of pounds over the course of a degree by going to Y £6k university' and thus not get as good an education :frown:


OR they could think "hmmm, I wonder if £9k university will have any bursaries".

Heck, if are on an income of under £16,000 you'll be thinking to yourself "should I go to Leeds Met for £8.5k per year, or go to Oxford where it's £3.5K for the first year and £6k per year?" :p:

What idiot would really choose Leeds Met in this situation?
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kerily
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Original post by im so academic
OR they could think "hmmm, I wonder if £9k university will have any bursaries".


Oh, they're going to be charging lower tuition fees to low-income students? :biggrin: I didn't know that.

In that case, if they make this widely and publically known (because to be honest, public perception is almost more important than the reality of the situation if you're trying to talk people into going to uni who traditionally wouldn't) then there would be no reason not to go to a top uni if you were from a low-income family and good enough. Fantastic :biggrin:
Original post by im so academic
Even if I wanted to be a teacher, I sure as hell would not go to Leeds Met.


The original comment to which this was a reply was about Bishop Grossteste which specialises in teacher training.

Of course once upon a time in the dim and distant past so did Leeds Met and in those days no-one would have made fun of Leeds Carnegie.
Original post by kerily

Original post by kerily
Oh, they're going to be charging lower tuition fees to low-income students? :biggrin: I didn't know that.

In that case, if they make this widely and publically known (because to be honest, public perception is almost more important than the reality of the situation if you're trying to talk people into going to uni who traditionally wouldn't) then there would be no reason not to go to a top uni if you were from a low-income family and good enough. Fantastic :biggrin:


Exactly. They are. http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_releases_for_journalists/110315_1.html

This needs to be shouted down at every school in the country. :yep:
Original post by im so academic
Exactly. They are. http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_releases_for_journalists/110315_1.html

This needs to be shouted down at every school in the country. :yep:


I think the problem is that it is shouted down at far too many schools!

I think you mean shouted out.
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Lazaroo
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Bishop Grotesque?
Reply 72
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Teveth
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Original post by MrsCrackFox
If the uni's we have never heard of go around that mark imagine the decent uni fees...

It still stands that the welsh don't have to pay the increased fees right?... :ninja:


That's correct. Welsh students attending English universities will have the difference (from the current level of fees) paid for them by the Welsh assembly.

You can thank Welsh Labour for that.
Original post by Teveth
That's correct. Welsh students attending English universities will have the difference (from the current level of fees) paid for them by the Welsh assembly.

You can thank Welsh Labour for that.


But explain to me how is this policy compliant with EU law?

There is no problem with the Scottish system.

The Welsh government is extending a benefit to Welsh resident students in English universities which they do not extend to Malta and Netherlands resident students in English universities. As Welsh resident students are more likely to be British than Malta and Netherlands resident students isn't this unlawful indirect discrimination on the grounds of nationality?
Original post by Teveth
That's correct. Welsh students attending English universities will have the difference (from the current level of fees) paid for them by the Welsh assembly.

You can thank Welsh Labour for that.


I sure do. :yep:
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HarmanFan
I thought it was 'Bishop Grotesque' at first.

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