Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free
x Turn on thread page Beta
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by im so academic)
    Bull****, Oxbridge have shorter terms.
    The September-December and January-Easter terms are shorter (I can't remember the names, sorry), granted. UCL actually has a shorter summer term than Oxford.
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Organ)
    People doing some random course at Oxbridge aren't the only students who work super-duper hard you know. I'm sure us minion medical, vet, dental, engineering, chemistry etc students at numerous other universities are working pretty, if not more, damn hard.
    And just because you have shorter terms and work harder doesn't make you more intelligent. Oxbridge students get more or less the same amount of material covered just in a shorter time.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    just throwing it out there for the sciences: natsci students at cambridge work 6 days a week on top of having the shorter terms, pretty sure they work harder than most. the motivation required to drag yourself out of bed on a saturday...
    Offline

    9
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by MC armani)
    I didn't get into Oxford, but from my experience of applying and from observing the people I know who've got in, I've realised that there is very little difference between those who applied and were rejected (and will now go to other very good top 10 unis) and those who were given an offer other than the fact that the latter tend to be more diligent and efficient when it comes to work and exams. Often, you don't get in because you weren't the sort of person who they thought would best benefit from the style of teaching and atmosphere that is part and parcel of an Oxbridge education. In fact some of the people who got in from my school are shallower and more exam-orientated than those who didn't get in (who are in many cases more intelligent and curious about their subject).

    Of the 5 people who applied for History (of whom I was one), 2 got offers. They are also the only two who haven't read any books about their historical interests since the interview. Furthermore, they coincidentally have the poorest written and oral expression of the 5 of us and are the least widely read. But they are also coincidentally the most efficient at exams and, although this was not borne out in their AS results, somehow, this skill must have been noticed by the admissions tutors.

    I give this example not, by any means, to denigrate those who got in to Oxbridge nor those who are already there. They are, on the whole, exceptionally good. My point is that they are most certainly not 'special'. In a few cases they are less intellectually able than those who are rejected. There are many exceptionally smart people at my school who freakishly didn't get in. One English applicant springs to mind. If I had to put my money on the most likely humanities student to get a place, it would have been him, and yet he was pooled and rejected by Cambridge. He's now going to Durham, and he will always be more intelligent than many of the people who are going to Oxbridge. I know that if I was an employer and I had to pick between him and one of the history offer-holders I mentioned earlier, I know who I'd choose.

    Students at Oxbridge are, on the whole, no more intelligent than those going to other top 10 unis; they just don't have (or appear to exhibit) the right work ethic for the Oxbridge environment.
    Well obviously not everyone who goes to Oxbridge will be smarter than everyone who doesn't. I'm not sure some exceptional applicants getting rejected proves much about averages though.

    Whilst plenty of great candidates will get rejected from Oxbridge and go to Imperial, Durham etc, I'd imagine that other top 10 universities let a lot more "relatively average" students in than Oxbridge. So, while very smart people still attend universities other than OXbridge (obviously), IMO, they'd make up a smaller proportion of the year at those other universities.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    Oxfert and Cumbridge :ahee:
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Abbadon27)
    People who go to Oxbridge are by no means special.

    EDIT: I think some people angry
    Judging by the ratings of this post some Oxbridge people disagree...

    From my experience with Oxbridge students, they are by no means 'special'. Yes they work VERY hard, and excel at their subjects and tend to do lots of extra-currics, but they are just highly motivated people. They aren't special.

    I know people at my university who are amazingly clever, but were just to lazy to meet the criteria to get into Oxbridge.

    Example: 2 of my housemates

    -Housemate 1: NEVER goes to any lectures, constantly in trouble with uni, but gets firsts in everything (Maths). If he enjoys something, he gets scarily good at it incredibly fast. Examples:

    -Beats everyone he's challenged by at chess, without looking at the board. Blind chess, 100's of moves in, still wins from memory.

    -Solves rubix cube in 40 seconds.

    -Started programming a month ago out of interest. Can re-write all my previous programs to run much, much faster (I've been programming for years, and am good amongst my peers).

    there are loads of things really. He applied for maths to cambridge, but got turned down. Now you can't say in some way he isn't 'special'. But he doesn't tick the right boxes to be an Oxbridge student.

    My other housemate doesn't go to anything, and still gets firsts. He does Physics.

    EDIT: We go to a decent institution by the way consistently top 5, so its not because the courses are easy.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    can't believe no-one's asked OP if he's at st johns, cambridge :rolleyes: as the classic tune goes:

    'oh i'd rather be at oxford than st john's
    i'd rather be at oxford than st johns
    oh i'd rather be at oxford
    rather be at oxford
    i'd rather be at oxford than st john's'...

    clearly not enough cam students here tonight to pick up on that one
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    Barely, Durham's is 27, only 2 more.

    Put it this way, for the majority of courses at the very best universities, they ask for very similar (if not higher) grades than Oxford and Cambridge.

    Places like ICL and Durham are full of students who would do just as well at Oxbridge.
    Hm, I wouldn't doubt that loads of students at other good universities could do very well at Oxford/Cambridge, but I do think it's a bit of a fallacy to think that other good universities must have the same kind of workload. I don't know of anywhere else in the country, except Cambridge, where an Arts student would have to write two essays a week (which is what I did throughout my second year). Obviously I can't be sure of the workload at every other university, but I do have friends taking the same degree as me at Durham and Warwick (both of which are very well respected for my subject), and quite a few friends who have done/are doing the same subject at other universities.

    That's not to say those people couldn't cope with the workload here - I'm sure lots of them could, and would manage it better than some who actually study here. But that doesn't mean the workload is the same at different institutions; I just don't think that's true.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by *pitseleh*)
    Hm, I wouldn't doubt that loads of students at other good universities could do very well at Oxford/Cambridge, but I do think it's a bit of a fallacy to think that other good universities must have the same kind of workload. I don't know of anywhere else in the country, except Cambridge, where an Arts student would have to write two essays a week (which is what I did throughout my second year). Obviously I can't be sure of the workload at every other university, but I do have friends taking the same degree as me at Durham and Warwick (both of which are very well respected for my subject), and quite a few friends who have done/are doing the same subject at other universities.

    That's not to say those people couldn't cope with the workload here - I'm sure lots of them could, and would manage it better than some who actually study here. But that doesn't mean the workload is the same at different institutions; I just don't think that's true.
    I see your point, and obviously the academic elite (Oxford and Cambridge) are going to be tested and tested and tested, but it just seems to me that places like Durham and ICL, where the calibre of student is so high, that they wouldn't push them as hard as Oxford and Cambridge do. It seems like a waste, almost.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    I think the reality of Oxbridge and other high up institutions is similar to science 'sets' in school:

    top set contains mainly people who deserve to be there, plus a couple who were lucky
    middle set contains mainly people who deserve to be there, plus a couple that were unlucky and actually deserve to be in top set

    If the whole of middle set, however, were actually switched and became top set, and were treated like top set is treated and have the label 'top set' attached, I think they would do almost as well if not as well as the 'real' top set.

    if that makes sense
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by comrade_jon)
    I go to a state grammar school and we get either one or none
    This.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by im so academic)
    Such as?

    Not getting into Oxford could be for some people the equivalent of your perfect husband marrying another girl, or being fired from the job you always loved or having a miscarriage when you really wanted a child.

    People take different things seriously.
    I think that is insulting to women that have had miscarriages. Comparing a lost life to not getting into Oxford. Feel ashamed.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by im so academic)
    Bull****, Oxbridge have shorter terms.
    Yes, we have shorter terms, but we have 3 as opposed to 2 longer ones + exams.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Mick Travis)
    Sorry, but I do. Maybe I wasn't clever enough to get in. Or maybe I just didn't work hard enough. However I would love to have gone to Oxford rather than to some mediocre institution. Yes, I know by mediocre I'm referring to a university that 80-90% of people aren't able to go to, but so what? It isn't the best. Oxford is for the elite and I wasn't there.

    It's hard-wired into British culture - particularly amongst the middle classes - that only Oxbridge matters - other Universities are nothing special. That's not really an intellectual point (the British aren't that keen on brains) it's more about the beauty, history and cultivation that Oxford is supposed to possess. It's also about our perfectionism, we are quite hard on ourselves. Anything less than the best(?) is a bit pointless.

    I reckon I would have been happy at Oxford, although the workload and some intimidatingly bright peers might have tested me to the limit. I'm easily infuriated by the very cerebral. Still at the time I wanted to go to some big city and have a crazy party for three years. A bit embarrassing now I think about it and a waste of three years. But you live and learn I guess.
    Grow a pair of *******s.

    You know as well as I and everyone else on this forum does that it isn't "only Oxbridge" that matters and tell me when was the last time you saw someone rushed into hospital refuse treatment because the doctor wasn't from Oxbridge?

    Oxford and Cambridge are fantastic universities, ofcourse they. They have the history and prestige but they aren't the be all and end all and as people have pointed out there is always the opportunity for post grad study. Heck I was keen on Oxford, didn't get an offer but I'm chuffed I got into medical school and touchwood in a few short years I'll be a doctor.

    I'm keen on doing an MBA or MPhil in Management at either Oxford or Cambridge so the dream is still there for me to work towards but I ain't gonna get cut up about it. You can always aim for postgrad study.

    So do yourself a favour and just focus on the positives and stop moaning and crying. Not everyone gets the chance to go to university nevermind Oxbridge.
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    even if i could i would not go here, full of snobs who think because you didnt go private your inadequate and should not even be a uni
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Warrior King)
    Grow a pair of *******s.

    You know as well as I and everyone else on this forum does that it isn't "only Oxbridge" that matters and tell me when was the last time you saw someone rushed into hospital refuse treatment because the doctor wasn't from Oxbridge?

    Oxford and Cambridge are fantastic universities, ofcourse they. They have the history and prestige but they aren't the be all and end all and as people have pointed out there is always the opportunity for post grad study. Heck I was keen on Oxford, didn't get an offer but I'm chuffed I got into medical school and touchwood in a few short years I'll be a doctor.

    I'm keen on doing an MBA or MPhil in Management at either Oxford or Cambridge so the dream is still there for me to work towards but I ain't gonna get cut up about it. You can always aim for postgrad study.

    So do yourself a favour and just focus on the positives and stop moaning and crying. Not everyone gets the chance to go to university nevermind Oxbridge.
    I'm not thinking about career opportunities, it's the fact they're the best and I didn't go there!
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Mick Travis)
    I'm not thinking about career opportunities, it's the fact they're the best and I didn't go there!
    The best by what criteria though? It's all very subjective. Ultimately you're going to university to study for your degree and hopefully further your career. Oxford may have pretty buildings et al but it's all about the work.

    You didn't get a place simply put it because in competition with your peers you didn't make the cut. It's a tough pill to swallow but I'm afraid that's life and it may well be the first sort of rejection you've received but certainly won't be the last.
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    I see your point, and obviously the academic elite (Oxford and Cambridge) are going to be tested and tested and tested, but it just seems to me that places like Durham and ICL, where the calibre of student is so high, that they wouldn't push them as hard as Oxford and Cambridge do. It seems like a waste, almost.
    *shrugs* I can't say for certain what the workload is like for finals at Durham, but the friends I have were writing one essay per fortnight in first year. That's not a boast - I know any one of them could have had my place and done just as well, or better for all I know. But strange as it seems (and I know it does) the fact is that at times - for my course at least - the workload here has been double what my friends were doing at other top unis, and considerably more than double what friends were doing at other unis. I'm sure that won't be the same across the board though - I really only have my personal experiences to go on.

    (Original post by Ventura7)
    even if i could i would not go here, full of snobs who think because you didnt go private your inadequate and should not even be a uni
    That's a bizarre comment to make, considering that just over half of the people who study at Oxford "didn't go private". I've never had anyone look down on me - or anyone else I've known, for that matter - for having gone to a state school.
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    This thread makes me laugh. I got an offer from Oxford for postgrad. However the department in my subject was not as strong as other places, so I turned it down. Oxford DOES have academic weaknesses, I think people sometimes forget.
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by im so academic)
    Evidently, one goes to university to study, not to party.

    (Of course the social life is important, but what ****er applies only so he or she can just party all through 3 years without doing any work?)

    Postgraduate I guess, OP?
    Out of interest, are you even at uni at the moment?
 
 
 
Poll
Do you agree with the proposed ban on plastic straws and cotton buds?

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Write a reply...
Reply
Hide
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.