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    (Original post by mike89)
    Im not talkin of all rounders. Those are not the tail-genuine all rounders who can bat and ball-except for afridi. Their tail is gul, nazir, kaneria! Forget shoaib's-let him sort out the drugs first and rana has been removed from the test team!
    A tail of 3 is a lot better than ours, which is a tail of 6! Dito your Aussie comment cos Lee and Warne can bat.

    You talk so much about taking 20 wickets, you make it sound like Giles isn't a specialist bowler, which he is, and he took some great wickets last ashes. Plus his average for batting is decieving cos he used to be bad, in the last few years he gets 50's very often and that DOES matter. I'm actually glad we're using Monty, but am skeptical about it whilst we have G.Jones and Anderson increasing our tail length.
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    (Original post by tis_me_lord)
    A tail of 3 is a lot better than ours, which is a tail of 6! Dito your Aussie comment cos Lee and Warne can bat.

    You talk so much about taking 20 wickets, you make it sound like Giles isn't a specialist bowler, which he is, and he took some great wickets last ashes. Plus his average for batting is decieving cos he used to be bad, in the last few years he gets 50's very often and that DOES matter. I'm actually glad we're using Monty, but am skeptical about it whilst we have G.Jones and Anderson increasing our tail length.
    Yet again, Anderson isn't increasing our tail length - he is a comparable capability to those who would potentially replace him.
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    (Original post by a fire in the sky)
    Yet again, Anderson isn't increasing our tail length - he is a comparable capability to those who would potentially replace him.
    We're only using him cos we can't bowl Freddie, he'd be replaced with a batsman...
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    I didn't think there was a problem with bowling freddie now? Surely without Anderson we'd only have a 3-seam attack, which is inconsistent with how England have recently played? Who were you thinking they were gonna play instead?
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    (Original post by a fire in the sky)
    I didn't think there was a problem with bowling freddie now? Surely without Anderson we'd only have a 3-seam attack, which is inconsistent with how England have recently played? Who were you thinking they were gonna play instead?
    There isn't? I heard we're not gonna be using him much. :confused:

    Freddie + Hoggie + Harmie + Mahmood = 4 seamers...
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    Team I heard:

    Strauss, Cook, Bell(?), Pietersen, Collingwood, Flintoff, Jones, Hoggard, Harmison, Anderson, Panesar

    Which fits the plans that have been used previously. Flintoff may not be capable of bowling the ridiculous spells he did before, but he is perfectly capable of bowling in a normal rotation.
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    not much point getting worked up about the relative strength of the tail. Bottom line is that the top order need to score a LOT of runs this series if England are to succeed. A good tail might save you a test, but putting some strong bowlers in there (when was the last time Giles played international cricket anyway?) might well win you a series. And favouritism from Fletcher isn't helping the cause (in wikke terms).
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    (Original post by biggie-n)
    not much point getting worked up about the relative strength of the tail. Bottom line is that the top order need to score a LOT of runs this series if England are to succeed. A good tail might save you a test, but putting some strong bowlers in there (when was the last time Giles played international cricket anyway?) might well win you a series. And favouritism from Fletcher isn't helping the cause (in wikke terms).
    True...as I've seen mentioned elsewhere - if you want a bowling spinner play Panesar, a batting spinner play Dalrymple - he's a good containing bowler and is an impressive batsman, infact, I'd say he spins as well as Giles but bats better.

    Personally fletcher has really pissed me off in this tour - picking Jones over Read is the most ridiculous thing, especially when Read was promised a long run to make the position his as Jones did - 6 odd tests, where he performed very capably, isn't the same thing.
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    (Original post by a fire in the sky)
    Team I heard:

    Strauss, Cook, Bell(?), Pietersen, Collingwood, Flintoff, Jones, Hoggard, Harmison, Anderson, Panesar

    Which fits the plans that have been used previously. Flintoff may not be capable of bowling the ridiculous spells he did before, but he is perfectly capable of bowling in a normal rotation.
    Why no Mahmood?
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    (Original post by tis_me_lord)
    Why no Mahmood?
    Because Andersons been bowling a lot better?
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    (Original post by a fire in the sky)
    True...as I've seen mentioned elsewhere - if you want a bowling spinner play Panesar, a batting spinner play Dalrymple - he's a good containing bowler and is an impressive batsman, infact, I'd say he spins as well as Giles but bats better.
    I actually agree with you there.

    As for the mahmood thing, I think if it was between them two you should pick mahmood. He has raw pace, and anderson is more of a swing bowler. Australian conditions are known to be less condusive to swing than in england. I think mahmoods a potential match winner in tests. Throwing in a few leg side deliveries isn't as devastating for the bowling side in tests as ODI's. In fact against pakistan he got one or two of them out by 'strangling' them down the leg side, as the commentators say.
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    English Cricket Media hype at its usual, Frankly, England have absolutely No chance of getting anywhere in the Ashes. Sorry I just find it a bit funny.
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    On the contrary, England MIGHT be keep it!
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    Lara showing his magic vs Pak. 196 not out! He is batting pak out of the match. Pak need to get him early tomorrow to stand a chance of winning the test!
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    Well if they draw, they win the series right?

    Batting on the 5th day will be tough though...
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    (Original post by mike89)
    Lara showing his magic vs Pak. 196 not out! He is batting pak out of the match. Pak need to get him early tomorrow to stand a chance of winning the test!
    They'll get whoever is with him instead - although lara is good at keeping himself on strike, it shouldn't take too long.

    But, yea - amazing display!
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    (Original post by Fire is Ice)
    English Cricket Media hype at its usual, Frankly, England have absolutely No chance of getting anywhere in the Ashes. Sorry I just find it a bit funny.
    What does a Scot know about cricket :confused:

    People wrote us off last time in the ashes and we outplayed them for most of the series. If our fast bowlers fire then theres little doubt who will walk away with the ashes.

    Australia have basically the same team they did 18 months ago. Hussey for Katich and Tait for Gillespie. Piece of cake.
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    (Original post by tis_me_lord)
    A tail of 3 is a lot better than ours, which is a tail of 6! Dito your Aussie comment cos Lee and Warne can bat.

    You talk so much about taking 20 wickets, you make it sound like Giles isn't a specialist bowler, which he is, and he took some great wickets last ashes. Plus his average for batting is decieving cos he used to be bad, in the last few years he gets 50's very often and that DOES matter. I'm actually glad we're using Monty, but am skeptical about it whilst we have G.Jones and Anderson increasing our tail length.
    Isnt monty a better bowler than giles? yet we are thinkin of sacrificing him because of giles batting? This is what sickens me. I agree about the tail needs to be decent but not till this extent!
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    Oh yes England will win, just like they won the football world cup earlier this year!
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    But Australia have been crap in tests all year, do none of you follow world cricket?!

    West Indies, South Africa and Bagladesh hardly compare to Pakistan (twice) Sri Lanka and India. And England didnt struggle like the Aussies did (against Bangladesh and South Africa).

    Australia arent the world beaters the bookies would have you believe and the series will probably end up a draw. 2-2 with one rained off.
 
 
 
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