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Look at my first post, 'Do you think that your history is inmaculated?' .

vienna95 opened this thread and I've answered that to her, if she doesn't admit it is her problem not mine.
I know your Italian so I forgive you, but thats very hard to understand.
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So why are you having a go at Britain past when most of us admit in the past we have done wrong?

Or is it just something personal?
Of course it's personal.

It's because despite being only 300 miles away and after months of preparation Argentina couldn't hold the Falklands for more than 3 months when challenged by a superior army that had just two weeks to mobilize and sail 10,000 miles accross the ****in ocean.

The reason? Well, I wasn't there so I don't know. But my brother, who was there said the Argentines cried like little girls as they cowered in their poorly constructed dug outs, bottoms of which were flowing in fear induced urine.
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From someone so low down the pecking order, you really seem to enjoy throwing dung at those above you. This thread is just contrived, semi-rascist, nationalist waste. I have read a lot of your posts, and 9 times out of 10, it's moronic. Everything you say seems to emerge from the last century.
Only 9/10? You must have missed a few!
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It's because despite being only 300 miles away and after months of preparation Argentina couldn't hold the Falklands for more than 3 months when challenged by a superior army that had just two weeks to mobilize and sail 10,000 miles accross the ****in ocean.

The reason? Well, I wasn't there so I don't know. But my brother, who was there said the Argentines cried like little girls as they cowered in their poorly constructed dug outs, bottoms of which were flowing in fear induced urine.
The first, because our government was a dictatorial one installed by US and UK.

To the second post, that's really crap and I already told you, whenever you want, wherever you want.

ADDING: Maybe he came back a little more idiotic after the war, bad luck.
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(Original post by Howard)
Of course it's personal.

It's because despite being only 300 miles away and after months of preparation Argentina couldn't hold the Falklands for more than 3 months when challenged by a superior army that had just two weeks to mobilize and sail 10,000 miles accross the ****in ocean.

The reason? Well, I wasn't there so I don't know. But my brother, who was there said the Argentines cried like little girls as they cowered in their poorly constructed dug outs, bottoms of which were flowing in fear induced urine.
Thats a bit harsh but there is no doubt we gave them a good seeing to. Rightly as well.

One of the best things about going on a holiday to Spain once was going to Gibraltar and talking to the people there. From what I could gather they HATED the Spaniards.
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Only 9/10? You must have missed a few!
Heh, I didn't want to appear biased (but on this thread, I'd imagine that I could be excused for it).
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The first, because our government was a dictatorial one installed by US and UK.

To the second post, that's really crap and I already told you, whenever you want, wherever you want.
The Argentines did not distinguish themselves in combat back in 82. Fact.

And, no. I'm not going to fly accross the ****in Atlantic "sort out our differences" I progressed beyond that when I was 15. ******!
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Heh, I didn't want to appear biased (but on this thread, I'd imagine that I could be excused for it).
I pardon you.
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I pardon you.
You're too kind. I haven't encountered you before, by the way, but you seem quite enlightened. Here, have some rep - despite the trivial nature of this gesture, it's well-deserved.
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My countries? I'm an italian citizen.
Do you ever heard about something called the Roman Empire?
I think I remember that they called you Barbarians.
Actually barbarians referred to the nomadic tribes. We had the celts and britons. Who truly pissed off the romans. And the picts of course, our pissed off scottish breatheren.
As for eternal idol, I'm unsurprised you are bitter, falkland isles and what not. I still think its a traversty we had to go it alone. I mean, if anyone invaded one of the hundred odd yank islands dotted around the world there would be fury.
Also point of note, if Gibralter doesn't belong to the British, it sure as hell doesn't belong to the spanish.
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You're too kind. I haven't encountered you before, by the way, but you seem quite enlightened. Here, have some rep - despite the trivial nature of this gesture, it's well-deserved.
Why thank you Sir!
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The first, because our government was a dictatorial one installed by US and UK.

To the second post, that's really crap and I already told you, whenever you want, wherever you want.

ADDING: Maybe he came back a little more idiotic after the war, bad luck.
Are you talking about the Italian government? Surely you of all people should know that they have popular support owing to the stupidity of some of the population.
I mean, how many people would feel happy in knowing that their country's richest man who controls near all media is aso the states most powerful person.
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Actually barbarians referred to the nomadic tribes.
Not strictly true. Its a Greek word and seen as I cant be arsed learning how to put greek into this post I will refrain from doing so. Barbarian roughly means a 'non greek speaker' not a normadic tribe, although obviously a lot of the non greek speakers were normadic.
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The Argentines did not distinguish themselves in combat back in 82. Fact.

And, no. I'm not going to fly accross the ****in Atlantic "sort out our differences" I progressed beyond that when I was 15. ******!
It's a great proud to beat a couple of 16/18 year old guys that don't know a **** of war with a trained army. Congratulatoins.

You must be 16 then. You can visit Rome whenever you want and I'll be there.
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Actually barbarians referred to the nomadic tribes. We had the celts and britons. Who truly pissed off the romans. And the picts of course, our pissed off scottish breatheren.
Yes, the native Britains were quite intimidating to the invading Romans, hence the building of Hadrian's wall. The term 'barbarian' is quite innacurate, in the case of the tribes who sacked Rome (slightly off-topic, I know...). They were mostly cultured people, and, if it wasn't for the Goths' salvaging the libraries of Rome, then the works of Galen, Tibulus, Plato and assorted other ancient scholars would have been forever lost.
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It's a great proud to beat a couple of 16/18 year old guys that don't know a **** of war with a trained army. Congratulatoins.

You must be 16 then. You can visit Rome whenever you want and I'll be there.
Not our fault if Argentina sends boys to war.

Fact. At that time Argentina's conscription started in January of each year and normally lasted 1 year. Argentina took the decision to invade in March/April, therefore meaning your government put boys with just 3 months basic training and inadequate equipment up against some of the best regiments; viz the Royal Marines, the Paras, and the Ghurkas, that Britains professional army had at their disposal.

The result was hardly surprizing.

soon.
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Not our fault if Argentina sends boys to war.

Fact. At that time Argentina's conscription started in January of each year and normally lasted 1 year. Argentina took the decision to invade in March/April, therefore meaning your government put boys with just 3 months basic training and inadequate equipment up against some of the best regiments; viz the Royal Marines, the Paras, and the Ghurkas, that Britains professional army had at their disposal.

The result was hardly surprizing.

soon.
Yep, nothing to say about that.
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It's a great proud to beat a couple of 16/18 year old guys that don't know a **** of war with a trained army. Congratulatoins.

You must be 16 then. You can visit Rome whenever you want and I'll be there.
So let's be honest. The prickish government in a wave of nationalistic pride sent a huge bunch of under-equiped kids to the falkland isles where they quickly over ran the small garrison. They then kill a few people, pplace mines all over the shop, and argue it out with the British. We turn round and declare war. We fight, we win, and both sides lose a lot of people. THeres then farguing about whether boats were in or out the exclusion zone blah blah (though its a pointless discussion in my mind. If your country attacks another, and you are in the military, you should expect to get caught up in the crossfire)
But heres my finishing touch to any debate on the Falklands...

Circa 1600
The Dutchman Sebald de Weerdt makes the first undisputed sighting of the islands.

1690
The English captain John Strong heading a British expedition made the first recorded landing in the Falklands, in 1690. The British claim the islands for the crown and named the sound between the two main islands after Viscount Falkland, a British naval official. The name was later applied to the whole island group.

1764
French navigator Louis-Antoine de Bougainville founds the islands' first permanent settlement, on East Falkland.
During subsequent years, a French fishery is manned by people from St. Malo (hence "Iles Malouines" from which the Argentine name "Islas Malvinas" is derived).


1765
The British are the first to settle in the West Falkland island.

1767
The Spanish buy out the French settlement (Port Louis) in the East Falkland island. For Spain, this implies a French recognition of the Spanish rights to the land.

1770
A Spanish flotilla arrives at the islands asking the British to leave. When first asked to leave, the British officer in charge of the garrison, a Captain Hunt, replied:
``I have received your letters by the officer, acquainting me that these islands and coasts thereof belong to the King of Spain, your Master. In return I am to acquaint you that the said islands belong to his Brittanic Majesty, My Master, by right of discovery as well as settlement and that the subjects of no other power whatever can have any right to be settled in the said islands without leave from His Brittanic Majesty or taking oaths of allegiance and submitting themselves to His Majesty's Government as subjects of the Crown of Great Britain.''
This is the first documented sign we could find of the conflict between Britain and Spain regarding the Islands.

Shortly thereafter, the Spanish revisited with a much superior force ``convincing'' the British garrison to leave on 14th July 1770.

[Source: 'An account of of the last expedition to Port Egmont in the Falkland Islands' , by Bernard Penrose published in the Universal Magazine, April 1775.]


1771
The British outpost on West Falkland is restored after threat of war.

1774
The British withdraw from the island (for economic reasons according to British sources). Spain maintains the settlement on East Falkland (which it called Soledad Island) until 1811, when Spain is about to lose control of its colonies in America.

1816
Independent Argentina first appears on the historical scene.

1820
The Buenos Aires government, which had declared its independence from Spain in 1816, first proclaims its sovereignty over the Falklands.

1828
Argentine warlord (Caudillo), and later governor of Buenos Aires Juan Manuel de Rosas sent a governor, Mr. Vernet, together with a garrison and settlers for menial work to the islands. The first recorded Argentine settlement in the islands.

1831
The American warship USS Lexington destroys the Argentine settlement on East Falkland in reprisal for the arrest of three U.S. ships that had been hunting seals in the area.

1833
Afraid that the Americans seized the islands, the British remember the expedition of the 17th century, re-invade the islands, forcefully depose Vernet and send the Argentines back to the mainland albeit without having to fire a shot.

1885
A British community of some 1,800 people on the islands is self-supporting.

1892
Colonial status is granted to the Falklands.

1933 and on
According to David Rock: ``After the Roca-Runciman treaty [A bilateral trade agreement signed in 1933 between Britain and Argentina, benefiting Britain and exploiting Argentina's natural resources -- Ed.], a profusion of new nationalist writers and factions began to appear. For a time the nationalist movement was largely dominated by historians who sought to fuel the campaign against the British. These historical ``revisionists'' began to reexamine the 19th century and to catalogue Britain's imperialist encroachments: the british invasions of 1806-1807, Britain's role in the foundation of Uruguay in the late 1820s, its seizure of the Falkland Islands in 1833, the blockades under Rosas ... A cult now enveloped the figure of Juan Manuel de Rosas, who was depicted as a symbol of national resistance to foreign dominations [In fact, he was a strong handed dictator who killed countless opponents, benefited greatly from trade with Britain, sized 800,000 acres of estate land for himself only etc. -- Ed]... Propaganda of this kind made a deepening imprint on public opinion and helped sustain nationalist sentiments in the Army...''

1964
The islands' position was debated by the UN committee on de-colonization. Argentina based its claim to the Falklands on papal bulls of 1493 modified by the Treaty of Tordesillas (1494), by which Spain and Portugal had divided the New World between themselves; on succession from Spain; on the islands' proximity to South America; and on the need to end a colonial situation. Britain based its claim on its "open, continuous, effective possession, occupation, and administration" of the islands since 1833 and its determination to grant the Falklanders self-determination as recognized in the United Nations Charter. Britain asserted that, far from ending a colonial situation, Argentine rule and control of the lives of the Falklanders against their will would, in fact, create one.

1965
The UN General Assembly approved a resolution inviting Britain and Argentina to hold discussions to find a peaceful solution to the dispute. These protracted discussions were still proceeding in February 1982 shortly before the Falkland war started.

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Im finding the maturity level very small at the moment.

Arguing over which is the better country? Pathetic...
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Im finding the maturity level very small at the moment.

Arguing over which is the better country? Pathetic...
I tried to bring reason to the argument a few pages ago, but was ignored... Some people don't care how valid their argument is, as long as they get the opportunity to loudly proclaim it.
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