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    All the league tables are different and i can't make my mind up about where I want to look because one league table will put a university in their top 10 for maths and another will put it in the top 40. Can some people give me an idea of what they believe is the true order of maths universities.
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    This is awkward. TSR is going to have to somehow balance its natural hatred of Warwick against the fact that it is actually quite good for maths! D:

    OP- realistically, there is no definitive top 20. If any two people give you their top 20, the two lists will be very different outside the first ten. If you compare two league tables, that's kind of the same thing. That said, if you look for universities that are consistently at the top of a league table year on year and in all tables, they're the ones that are consistently good. Again, TSR doesn't like to hear it, but somehow the universities with the best academic reputations do somehow seem to reach the top of the tables. For the very top, you want to look at Oxbridge, Warwick and Imperial College, but Imperial College have a much greater focus on applied maths (mechaniscs, stats etc.) than the others, or so I have heard. Below them there are all the 'standard' top universities such as Durham, St. Andrews, the other main London colleges (UCL, KCL, LSE etc.), Nottingham. As a general rule, if further maths is a requirement for the course it is probably a decent maths course, and at the top you should definitely consider what kind of university you want as well as the course. If you want to be at university in London, Warwick might have the better repuation for maths, but UCL might be the university for you regardless.
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    Obviously theres Oxbridge but if you want to look beyond that then I would go for UCL, Imperial, Warwick, Bristol, Durham, Bath, Manchester, Nottingham, Southampton, Sheffield, basically any Russell Group.
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    (Original post by Magical Moogles)
    I hate talking about top maths departments, its just a really old topic, and always debatable. However, to give you some idea, the general consensus is that COWBI are the top 5 maths departments in the UK.

    Cambridge
    Oxford
    Warwick
    Imperial
    Bristol

    To my knowledge. These are also really good large departments, perfoming well in research assessments, and offering broad courses. You wouldn't be at a disadvantage by picking any of the following. You asked for order, but It's really impossible to say exactly. So, in no particular order...

    Durham
    Bath
    Nottingham
    Southampton
    Manchester
    Edinburgh
    Sheffield
    UCL


    I don't feel confident enough to continue the list, and I've probably missed some other obvious departments. Hopefully this is a good enough place to start anyway. You shouldn't completely forget about the smaller departments, which I didnt mention above. Some might have fields of mathematics they specialise in, which might be more interesting to you. Really the best choice for you, depends on your priorities. Some people might not want to attend a very large department for whatever reason, and typically these large departments are located in cities, which might not be appealing.

    Anyway, I'm a maths student at Bath, so if you have questions about Bath in particular, I might be able to help. I won't be able to talk about other departments, because if I'm perfectly honest, I dont think anyone is in the right position to speak about departments or universities without first-hand experience.
    Hi there,

    I have applied to both Bath and Bristol and have offers or A*AA and AAA respectively but I am struggling on which to put as my firm. You mentioned you go to Bath but you put Bristol in the top five. Which would you recommend/is there any help you can offer about which to put down?!

    Thanks.
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    (Original post by IcedTea&PotNoodle)
    All the league tables are different and i can't make my mind up about where I want to look because one league table will put a university in their top 10 for maths and another will put it in the top 40. Can some people give me an idea of what they believe is the true order of maths universities.
    Surely you have answered the "Question" yourself?
    You get different answers depending on "criteria" used ..
    There is no definitive answer and to try and construct said list is futile.
    I dare say that the top two spots are without too much debate, but thereafter I cannot imagine how one can do any better than pool certain universities into sub-groups.
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    Why the recent trend for these sort of threads? It's not like actually like the people have any real knowledge, their answers are based purely on gut feeling or things they might have heard. They've not done any research and have probably not visited let alone studied at the universities they are 'ranking'. OP, for the love of God, don't make any sort of decision based on replies to this thread.
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    Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial College, Warwick, Edinburgh, Durham, St Andrews, Bristol, Bath, Nottingham, UCL, Manchester, Loughborough, Leeds, York, Southampton, Sheffield, Birmingham, KCL, Leicester

    The ones that sprung to my mind
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    uhhh thread is over a month old - really?
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    Is At Andrews really that good for maths?

    I'm just curious...
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    (Original post by Mr. Roxas)
    Is At Andrews really that good for maths?

    I'm just curious...
    Most universities are. For example, RHUL's maths department is generally on par with KCL's maths department with regards to the difficulty of the exam papers and general teaching. I asked one of their stats lecturers (husband of our prob lecturer) and he said that teaching is almost always similar at any decent institution, even though some universities that require further maths A2 or STEP will take things just slightly further or do more difficult modules a little earlier on. There's not much in it, though.
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    (Original post by wanderlust.xx)
    Most universities are. For example, RHUL's maths department is generally on par with KCL's maths department with regards to the difficulty of the exam papers and general teaching. I asked one of their stats lecturers (husband of our prob lecturer) and he said that teaching is almost always similar at any decent institution, even though some universities that require further maths A2 or STEP will take things just slightly further or do more difficult modules a little earlier on. There's not much in it, though.
    Some of the exams I've sat tell a very different story.
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    (Original post by wanderlust.xx)
    Most universities are. For example, RHUL's maths department is generally on par with KCL's maths department with regards to the difficulty of the exam papers and general teaching. I asked one of their stats lecturers (husband of our prob lecturer) and he said that teaching is almost always similar at any decent institution, even though some universities that require further maths A2 or STEP will take things just slightly further or do more difficult modules a little earlier on. There's not much in it, though.
    Thanks for the reply, but i was actually more interested in knowing how the employers view St Andrews' maths department in relation to COWI, or even just Bristol, Durham, and UCL. In other words, the top banks and MC firms regularly recruit from COWI. Do they do the same at St Andrews?
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    Russel group universities are known world wide - this tends to make graduates more employable. Obviously if you get a 1st at cambridge its more likely a big bank firm will take you than anywhere else. I don't think going to any of the russell group uni's will harm your aspirations of going to one of the 'top banks' - there is lots of other things they will take into account rather than the piece of paper you leave uni with.

    I know lawyers who have come from the uni's considered not very good and lots of bankers who went to the likes of Durham and KCL.
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    Complete university Guide is quite a good guide if you want to see the top 20.
    http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...?s=Mathematics
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    Manchester in 25 up from 32? I'm fairly sure Manchester would be in my top 20.
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    Them guides are never really that reliable, I read a post about how all the categories they base it on are biased and not fair. It has been suggested that if you come from a university that is in the top 20 - you will be more employable. They then ask the students how satisfied they are for the rankings, so by saying you are satisfied you have more chance of getting a better job!
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    Complete Guide Gives:
    1) Cambridge
    2) Oxford
    3) Imperial
    4) Warwick
    5) Bath
    6) Durham
    7) LSE (before now I never knew they even did maths?????)
    8) St Andrews
    9) Bristol
    10) Nottingham

    Times Good Uni:
    1) Oxford
    2) Cambridge
    3) Warwick
    4) Bath
    5) St Andrews
    6) Imperial
    7) Durham
    8) Aberdeen
    9) Lancaster
    10) UCL


    Of course looking at league tables alone, is BS. you have to look at the bigger picture. Though this is further Evidence Warwick is 2nd to Oxbridge!
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    I have always though of kings as a respectable uni, but rankings never seem to like them! I would say its further evidence of COWI as well really..
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    (Original post by Nathan_oH)
    I have always though of kings as a respectable uni, but rankings never seem to like them! I would say its further evidence of COWI as well really..
    It is, just not for maths in particular
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    That's a shame.. I had my head set on going there!
 
 
 
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