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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Its private property end off. Sorry but thats the law. I am sure if I broke into your house and refused to leave you would want me arrested and removed.

    Maybe but it varies from case to case. Tbh if you want to be giving out leaflets you should be doing it outside the shop rather than inside.
    (Original post by L i b)
    If you're on someone else's land, and you don't leave when you're told to, then you should rightly be hauled off to a police station. There's nothing 'peaceful' about encroaching on someone else's property.

    I'm rather sick of protesters believing that, in addition to causing a hell of a racket and practically shutting down our city centres, they are also perfectly entitled to go around performing criminal acts because of their half-baked political beliefs.
    Well you two are clearly entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think what happened was right. There were plenty of other people that the police would have been more justified in arresting.

    By the same logic, all the students which have staged university occupations accross the country deserve to be charged and given criminal records. I think that would be very wrong. Remember for a number a career choices this can be a serious restriction.

    Look at the video, it was clearly peaceful and good natured. And when they were asked to leave, they did so.

    Take political beliefs out of it, do you really think it's fair? Just because such a wide law has been broken does not make it so. According to the law, most of us are probably criminals in all honesty - it's just about what the authoroties choose to act on.

    I don't think arresting and charging these people is a good use of tax-payers' money nor do I think it is in the public interest. To me it looks like political policing.

    IF people need to be arrested, I think it is those smashing windows and those using violence. Not these peaceful people.
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    Welcome to the police state, don't worry though, nothing will happen to you as long as you stay at home, watch x factor and drink coca-cola.
    And what is wrong with this...?
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    Oops. I meant to put minority

    Personally, I have lost confidence in the police in general. While I agree that it is only a minority who are bad apples, it often seems like the rest don't mind covering those up.
    You do all the honest police officers a disservice by assuming they would be happy to cover it up and ignore it or just go along with it. That is a great disservice to them and the many thousands of honest hard working police officers. Even saying that is insane.

    My opinions are probably brought about by how football fans are often treated by coppers (and by the establishment) tbh.
    Oh please, violence at football games is quite rare these days and usually it's started by some fans but controlled well and dispersed by the police officers.
    Most times they deal with it very well.

    It's so easy for armchair generals to critisize and say stupid things like that but I doubt if they had the training and know how they would do it any differently.

    That's not an excuse for dismissing police officers, especially all the honest ones. It's pathetic
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    isn't it ironic that the metropolitan police is the one getting the most cuts and they spend their weekend fending off angry protesters, fair enough the cuts suck balls but lets be honest trashing the place isn't the way to go about it, a london police man had his weekend off and gets called in for a 20 hour shift, cause thats obviously their fault...
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    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    Other means - smashing shop windows is going to be more effective than a mass-peaceful protest? It just gives everyone who doesn't support the protest a reason to ignore it, labeling it a bunch of violent yobs who don't really care about the cause but want to smash shop windows. This is pretty much what happened in the student protests. The media jumped at the chance to show the relativley few students who were being violent and let everyone make up their minds about the rest.

    Its counter-productive.
    That's the media for you. I agree it's counter-productive but I don't blame anyone for being frustrated and angry at the fact that the only way to protest legally is to attend a labour party sponsored rally in Hyde Park.
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    (Original post by Le_Bow)
    You do all the honest police officers a disservice by assuming they would be happy to cover it up and ignore it or just go along with it. That is a great disservice to them and the many thousands of honest hard working police officers. Even saying that is insane.
    But you can't deny it happens. Not all the time, but it does. I don't want to bring up Ian Tomlinson because of how debatable the case is, but in that instance the police as a whole denied that there was any involvement until the video came out. The Jean charles de menezes is also another example of the police service covering up and trying to deny certain questionable actions.

    (Original post by Le_Bow)
    Oh please, violence at football games is quite rare these days and usually it's started by some fans but controlled well and dispersed by the police officers.
    Most times they deal with it very well.
    I am not talking about violence at games. I agree that copper usually deal with that well and in the right way.
    I am taking the general police treament of (and attitude towards) football fans.
    The questionable (and possible illegal) use of Section 27 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 against groups of peaceful football fans is a huge example of this.
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    The irony is, that many off-duty coppers were actually at the march. Not in Trafalgar square obviously, but still...

    From what i heard and saw (through various first hand accounts and media), a good deal of protesters were arrested through a case of mistaken identity. But that doesn't excuse the violence from the anarchists.

    I actually know one of the anarchists and he talked about him and his mates smashing stuff up and then he had the cheek to say the police were violent. When i pointed out to him he was being a tad hypocitical, he jus went on about the corporation. a lost cause no doubt...

    But i would have to agree that the media completely focused on a small part of the day, the violence, instead of the 100's of thousands of completely peaceful protesters. A sad state of affairs from our media.
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    the only way to protest legally is to attend a labour party sponsored rally in Hyde Park.
    Err, no

    There isn't much else to say to that...
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    tell that to the Libyans
    The Libyans are not rioting.



    Unless his is your idea of a rioter?
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    There were no anarchists around them, They just wanted to walk down the side street.contradiction much.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    The Libyans are not rioting.



    Unless his is your idea of a rioter?
    I'm confused, which one is he?

    selfish, violent, anti-establishment anarchist yob

    or

    freedom fighter standing up for democracy?

    I'll have to watch the news tonight so I can be reminded which one he is, cos you never know, he might be Al-qaeda.
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    Get a ****ing life you ****ing latte revolutionarys, this isnt one of your che guevara fantasies you ****ing retards, you morons are just ****ing vandals and lowlife scum who in my society would be tased until you were ****ting thunderbolts, heres some porn now go jack off
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    When you screw over the entire country, you have to expect retaliatory actions. I find the sheer courage of those anarchist black block people highly inspiring. They are so under equipped but still face up to the highly trained and well armoured forces of oppression which stalk us all. Their bravery is undeniable, but the mass media would tell us they are cowards, as they pat the backs of so called brave police officers dressed in body armour dragging disabled people out of wheelchairs and murdering newspaper sellers in cold blood.
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    How can these violent "protesters" seriously believe that the majority of people will support their campaign if they go around smashing up buildings and throwing stuff at the police. Then you complain about being arrested !!!!!!
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    (Original post by el scampio)
    When you screw over the entire country, you have to expect retaliatory actions. I find the sheer courage of those anarchist black block people highly inspiring. They are so under equipped but still face up to the highly trained and well armoured forces of oppression which stalk us all. Their bravery is undeniable, but the mass media would tell us they are cowards, as they pat the backs of so called brave police officers dressed in body armour dragging disabled people out of wheelchairs and murdering newspaper sellers in cold blood.
    how does vandalising peoples businesses and graffiti on war memorials and monuments help?
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    (Original post by Toon Fan)
    How can these violent "protesters" seriously believe that the majority of people will support their campaign if they go around smashing up buildings and throwing stuff at the police. Then you complain about being arrested !!!!!!
    The point is not everyone was 'smashing up buildings' and 'throwing stuff at police'. In fact, most of the people arrested (at least 138) did none of these things, despite what the media would like you to believe.
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    (Original post by el scampio)
    When you screw over the entire country, you have to expect retaliatory actions. I find the sheer courage of those anarchist black block people highly inspiring. They are so under equipped but still face up to the highly trained and well armoured forces of oppression which stalk us all. Their bravery is undeniable, but the mass media would tell us they are cowards, as they pat the backs of so called brave police officers dressed in body armour dragging disabled people out of wheelchairs and murdering newspaper sellers in cold blood.
    Yeah because hitting an ATM with a bat is really gonna show "the man". Their bravery? thats why whenever the Police showed up they ran like hell and hid their faces.

    Hmm you know I think your a troll. No one is this stupid.
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    Hypocritical people doing hypocritical things due to anger at their own horrific hypocrisy.

    I challenge any protester to give a rational explanation for why they shouldnt face the consequences of their actions.

    I had friends who were (for a hen party) having tea in F&M when the protesters arrived - 2 were unable to reach the main group, who in turn were unable to leave. Day ruined.

    If the F&M protesters were so peaceful, why were they wearing full face coverings (a la the teenage "anarchists" that always throng to violent discontent in this country)
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    (Original post by simon12345)
    The point is not everyone was 'smashing up buildings' and 'throwing stuff at police'. In fact, most of the people arrested (at least 138) did none of these things, despite what the media would like you to believe.



    blah blah ****ing blah the medias evil blah blah blah, what did they photoshop those anarchists smashing stores up? maybe it was some really advanced cgi, same ****ing tune with you losers........****k offf
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    (Original post by Hardballer)
    blah blah ****ing blah the medias evil blah blah blah, what did they photoshop those anarchists smashing stores up? maybe it was some really advanced cgi, same ****ing tune with you losers........****k offf
    Maybe you'd like to take a look at one of my earlier posts which provides proof that at least 138 out of the 149 so called 'violent' protesters were, in actual fact, very peaceful and did not 'smash things up' or 'throw objects at the police'.

 
 
 
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