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    We need to bring back national service, to purify society and undo the amorality bestowed upon society by years of socialist decadence
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    Do you have any idea how mind-blowingly unpopular the Poll Tax was last time it was tried? It'd be political suicide :teehee:

    I'm pretty sure you're trolling anyway, so I really can't be bothered with explaining why it's a horribly flawed and unfair taxation method.
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    (Original post by Reml)
    We need to bring back national service, to purify society and undo the amorality bestowed upon society by years of socialist decadence
    should be between years 9 and 10. That's when children are at their most annoying.
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    Absolutely awful idea? You don't care about the poor? Just go away.

    You're either a troll or very stupid.
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    The poll tax was extremely fair. That's why it was so unpopular.

    What do local authority taxes pay for? Services like education, street cleaning, gritting the roads, emptying the bins etc.

    What consumes those services? People or property? Do big houses use more school places? Do big houses make the streets dirtier?

    No. People consume services. Five people living in one small flat use much more local authority services than one person living in a small flat. Just as twenty people living in a huge house consume more services than two people living in a small house.

    But the perception was that people would pay more under poll tax than under the old rates. Well, we went straight to council tax, which is a hybrid of poll tax and rates, and I'm pretty certain that it would never have made a difference.

    I get that a lot of people don't like it. But is it not dangerously close to the truth that the reason there were riots was purely because a Conservative government brought it in? Had Blair brought it in, there would have been the usual grumbling, but no rioting.

    Can you imagine if the Conservatives had been the ones to introduce tuition fees?
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    To be fair, the actual implementation of the poll tax was botched by councils and the tax itself wasn't generally unpopular; it's just those who didn't like it were very vocal in their opposition.

    In terms of economic efficiency, poll tax is equal only to land value tax in raising revenue without disrupting the economy; however the land value tax is -- in my opinion -- superior as it's naturally progressive, being paid only by land-owners, and encouraging unproductive land and empty buildings to be put to use.

    In terms of paying for local services, user-fees might be a better way, as the charge then varies according to how much a service is used. Those who recycle are then naturally charged more than those who don't -- as they'll require more regular rubbish collection. Those who cycle or walk are then naturally charged more than those who drive cars -- as they'll need to pay for parking permits.
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    (Original post by Llamageddon)
    should be between years 9 and 10. That's when children are at their most annoying.
    I dunno, people between the ages of 18-21 can give them a run for their money.
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    (Original post by mangoh)

    Cuts,cuts,cuts -------> is what is needed.

    EMO is a start
    Makes more sense, now.
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    -rep pointless to quote me, don't do it again when it is not needed.
    Is that even english? What does that even mean?
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    It already is implemented, its called Council Tax.
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    Poll tax has been in for years its called council tax.
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    BUT I think we are all in it together
    Clearly not.
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    (Original post by The_Great_One)
    Poll tax has been in for years its called council tax.
    The difference being that council tax is charged per household, the poll tax was charged per person.

    I agree with this:
    (Original post by sconzey)
    To be fair, the actual implementation of the poll tax was botched by councils and the tax itself wasn't generally unpopular; it's just those who didn't like it were very vocal in their opposition.

    In terms of economic efficiency, poll tax is equal only to land value tax in raising revenue without disrupting the economy; however the land value tax is -- in my opinion -- superior as it's naturally progressive, being paid only by land-owners, and encouraging unproductive land and empty buildings to be put to use.

    In terms of paying for local services, user-fees might be a better way, as the charge then varies according to how much a service is used. Those who recycle are then naturally charged more than those who don't -- as they'll require more regular rubbish collection. Those who cycle or walk are then naturally charged more than those who drive cars -- as they'll need to pay for parking permits.
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    what makes u say this?
    Well, the very fact that it is front line public services, that are mostly used by the poorer in society, that are taking the biggest hits says it all.

    The MP's are still earning £65k, with their expenses rules just being relaxed.
    The bankers are still getting extortionate bonuses.
    The council chiefs and other "fat cat" public sector bosses are still getting paid huge amounts (£200k+ in some cases).

    How the hell are we "all in together" when the richests in society will not feel a thing with these cuts?
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    My view: Best idea ever invented, I don't care about the poor so couldn't care less about EMA, benefits etc... BUT I think we are all in it together, poll tax is the only way forward imo.
    Your post lost all its credibility there. What an idiotic thing to say. Let's have it your way, let the poor starve and become homeless. What do you think happens next?

    Let me tell you. People get desperate, crime goes up as a result of theft, vandalism increases out of jealousy and envy. Who will be the victims of this increase in crime? The people who said the poor should fend for themselves i.e. people like you. It's as much as in your interest to make sure these people are provided for (at a basic level) as theirs.

    With the decline in traditional council housing it means communities are now integrated regardless of wealth. Which means people who fall on hard times could very well be living next door or in the same street as opposed to being pushed out in the sticks on some 'badland' council estate.
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    (Original post by Clip)
    The poll tax was extremely fair. That's why it was so unpopular.

    What do local authority taxes pay for? Services like education, street cleaning, gritting the roads, emptying the bins etc.

    What consumes those services? People or property? Do big houses use more school places? Do big houses make the streets dirtier?

    No. People consume services. Five people living in one small flat use much more local authority services than one person living in a small flat. Just as twenty people living in a huge house consume more services than two people living in a small house.
    This isn't really true. It costs more per person to clean, grit and empty the bins from a mile-long street with 1000 people than a mile-long street with 10 people, for very obvious reasons.

    I also don't understand why you think its OK to aggregate services together into a single tax but not to base it on income or ability to pay like every other tax. If people should only pay for the services they use, surely we should only charge drivers for roads and families for education?

    But the perception was that people would pay more under poll tax than under the old rates. Well, we went straight to council tax, which is a hybrid of poll tax and rates, and I'm pretty certain that it would never have made a difference.

    I get that a lot of people don't like it. But is it not dangerously close to the truth that the reason there were riots was purely because a Conservative government brought it in? Had Blair brought it in, there would have been the usual grumbling, but no rioting.

    Can you imagine if the Conservatives had been the ones to introduce tuition fees?
    I don't think this view matches the evidence. Opinion polls were showing 2% support for the poll-tax at some point (says wiki), Hitler was probably more popular during the Battle of Britain. Council tax is not the same as the poll tax; council tax is still regressive in that people on lower incomes pay a much higher percentage, but it doesn't clobber families or flat-shares in the way the poll tax did.
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    since you're keen on a serious debate please explain how the poll tax in itself will help the national debt... it's just a different way of collecting money, the amount you collect will depend on the level you charge it at.

    you aught to care about the poor as they are entitled to vote and will absolutely crucify any party that they feel is unfairly picking their pocket in order to give the rich a cushier ride.
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    Economy is down, country is in debt.

    I think we should bring back the poll tax to reduce our deficit.

    My view: Best idea ever invented, I don't care about the poor so couldn't care less about EMA, benefits etc... BUT I think we are all in it together, poll tax is the only way forward imo.

    I understand it never worked before but a lot has changed since then, it's worth another go imo & the idea of *unfair* tax method is so untrue? If your poor, tough its your fault (just my view, please don't rant at me)

    Your views?
    Any politician who even suggested bringing back the poll tax would have to be stark raving mad, unless he had somehow been infiltrated by another political party in a cunning plot. It was the Poll tax that brought down M Thatcher, and even the the lunatics in the House of Commons aren't going to forget that in a hurry.
 
 
 
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