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    Where is the political ideology of the title nowadays? The curse of the right wing is the contradiction that conservatives are authoritarians.

    Increasingly I am becoming disinfranchised with democracy. There is no party that believes what I believe that I can find. My ideas are pretty much a function of the ideas of Hayek, Von Mises, Buchanon, Freidman, Adam Smith, Locke etc.

    The only politician I can find that holds the same beliefs as me is Ron Paul


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6D3uPLlCu8


    Where is the UK's Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I urge you to watch the Douche and Turd episode of South Park.
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    Gary Johnson is also a sound libertarian who may run in 2012.

    UK version: Steve Baker? Daniel Hannan?

    Party: Libertarian Party of the UK?

    (I'm a libertarian as well, by the way).
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    Politiks!!!!! OMG.
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    Good luck finding libertarians in a country where even the economically centrist Tories can't make any cuts to reduce the size of the state. Britain has slowly become a country over-reliant on the nanny state where individual responsibility is alien to most people, it is political suicide for any politician to even suggest libertarian principles could be brought back.
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    (Original post by ish90an)
    Good luck finding libertarians in a country where even the economically centrist Tories can't make any cuts to reduce the size of the state. Britain has slowly become a country over-reliant on the nanny state where individual responsibility is alien to most people, it is political suicide for any politician to even suggest libertarian principles could be brought back.
    True, a 3.5% reduction in the size of the state is being opposed by so many and even those who support it only do so because they believe its necessary to stop our economy tanking.

    But thats why libertarians need to change the philosophical/ideological outlook of the nation. We are, afterall, the country of John Locke and Adam Smith. Theres no use in just giving up!
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    (Original post by ish90an)
    Good luck finding libertarians in a country where even the economically centrist Tories can't make any cuts to reduce the size of the state. Britain has slowly become a country over-reliant on the nanny state where individual responsibility is alien to most people, it is political suicide for any politician to even suggest libertarian principles could be brought back.
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    It's hilarious that people think budget cuts are "neoliberal" or whatever non-word they use to describe anything that doesn't look like Soviet Communism. Then again, I know from Greece, The Soviet Republic of Greece, any measure that doesn't guarantee ''free'' stuff is labeled as "neoliberal" and "favouring the rich". Really, Europe is more friendly to White Supremacists than to Libertarians (I truly believe this, I'm not kidding). They even have parties in Parliament. What do we (libs) have?

    Somebody cheer me up...
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    I would love Niall Fergusson to be chancellor, perhaps even Prime Minister.
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    Conservatives and Lib Dems both have Libertarian Wings, there just not that influential or large in either party.
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    (Original post by turn and fall)
    Where is the political ideology of the title nowadays? The curse of the right wing is the contradiction that conservatives are authoritarians.

    Increasingly I am becoming disinfranchised with democracy. There is no party that believes what I believe that I can find. My ideas are pretty much a function of the ideas of Hayek, Von Mises, Buchanon, Freidman, Adam Smith, Locke etc.

    The only politician I can find that holds the same beliefs as me is Ron Paul


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6D3uPLlCu8


    Where is the UK's Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!
    There is no party you can completely identify with because you are a unique individual. It's okay not to support a party, most people are starting to realise that none of them matter anyway
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    (Original post by Bourgeois)
    +1
    It's hilarious that people think budget cuts are "neoliberal" or whatever non-word they use to describe anything that doesn't look like Soviet Communism. Then again, I know from Greece, The Soviet Republic of Greece, any measure that doesn't guarantee ''free'' stuff is labeled as "neoliberal" and "favouring the rich". Really, Europe is more friendly to White Supremacists than to Libertarians (I truly believe this, I'm not kidding). They even have parties in Parliament. What do we (libs) have?

    Somebody cheer me up...
    The free democrat party in Germany is pretty libertarian, as is the ruling party of Estonia. Plus you get libertarian individuals in conservative parties e.g. Steve Baker.

    More people know about white nationalism than libertarianism, I'm not liking all this libertarian negativity here!
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    The free democrat party in Germany is pretty libertarian, as is the ruling party of Estonia. Plus you get libertarian individuals in conservative parties e.g. Steve Baker.

    More people know about white nationalism than libertarianism, I'm not liking all this libertarian negativity here!
    What about Left-Libertarians/Libertarian Socialists as opposed to Right-Libertarians/Libertarian Capitalists?

    Everyone is stealing political words from each other these days. Next we'll have Market Socialists or National Anarchists
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    (Original post by ish90an)
    Good luck finding libertarians in a country where even the economically centrist Tories can't make any cuts to reduce the size of the state. Britain has slowly become a country over-reliant on the nanny state where individual responsibility is alien to most people, it is political suicide for any politician to even suggest libertarian principles could be brought back.
    This tends to be a problem across Europe going back to the end of the War.
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    (Original post by Fusilero)
    What about Left-Libertarians/Libertarian Socialists as opposed to Right-Libertarians/Libertarian Capitalists?

    Everyone is stealing political words from each other these days. Next we'll have Market Socialists or National Anarchists
    We already do.

    Edit: You were being sarcastic...fail.

    But come on...!National Anarchists?!
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    Libertarianism works in theory but never in practice as there's enough people just looking out for their own selfish interest. In the deregulated capitalist world a select few bankers were allowed to cause a global recession and look what happened - an early retirement for Sir Fred Goodwin funded by the British taxpayer, for example. (Libertarians say the banks wouldn't be bailed out and would be allowed to fail, but surely this would mean many more innocent people lost their mortgaged homes).

    Throughout history the rich have always exploited the poor, but our current welfare state allows average people to enjoy a reasonable standard of living. Libertarians would abolish the NHS in favour of the corrupt US system, for example.

    Then we get to people who haven't worked a day in their life and enjoy a life paid for by the hard working taxpayer. This is thrown around as justification for all sorts of things, but we never see any actual figures on how many people do this. I believe most unemployed people now want to work, because it does still pay to work, but there just aren't the jobs to go round any more. Situations like this might pave the way for more Libertarian politics to make their way into our country.

    On the whole though the high standard of living enjoyed by most people in the UK because of the welfare state will never allow such politics in the near future. Look at this government, the Conservatives had to campaign on a fairly centrist manifesto and still didn't get a majority despite the backlash at Labour over the financial crisis.

    Of course you can apply the word libertarian to a number of political axes - I am for social libertarianism, but definitely against economic libertarianism.
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    (Original post by Bourgeois)
    We already do.

    Edit: You were being sarcastic...fail.

    But come on...!National Anarchists?!
    There truly is an -ism for everything.
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    (Original post by Bunkd)
    I would love Niall Fergusson to be chancellor, perhaps even Prime Minister.
    Rory Stewart as Foreign Sec, and please find some role for Douglas Murray!

    Ah, I can but dream...
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Rory Stewart as Foreign Sec, and please find some role for Douglas Murray!

    Ah, I can but dream...
    I quite agree; and Douglas Murray could be Minorities and Equalities Minister?

    I'd like BoJo in there somewhere but perhaps he is best suited to MoL..

    Rees-Mogg should have some sort of advisory position, and Her Majesty should dutifully attend her own Cabinet..

    Oh and Tebbit, somewhere..
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    (Original post by Bunkd)
    Rees-Mogg should have some sort of advisory position
    Which one? There's certainly one Rees-Mogg I wouldn't mind putting in certain positions...
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Which one? There's certainly one Rees-Mogg I wouldn't mind putting in certain positions...
    Jacob, though I see what you mean
 
 
 
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