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    (Original post by Fusilero)
    What about Left-Libertarians/Libertarian Socialists as opposed to Right-Libertarians/Libertarian Capitalists?

    Everyone is stealing political words from each other these days. Next we'll have Market Socialists or National Anarchists
    Oddly enough, Market Socialists/Voluntary Socialists is what some early Libertarians called themselves a couple of hundred years ago! This wasn't out of solidarity, but to contrast themselves to the overwhelmingly protectionist and interventionist leanings of governments of the time.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Rory Stewart as Foreign Sec, and please find some role for Douglas Murray!

    Ah, I can but dream...
    A Cabinet consisting of: Niall Fergusson, Douglas Murray, Rory Stewart, David Davis, Lord Tebbit, John Redwood, Daniel Hannan, Douglas Carswell, Iain Duncan Smith, Lord Howard, Fraiser Nelson...

    :cool:
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    You could join the UK Libertarian Party, I hear they're really popular. Not as popular as stalwarts like the MRLP of course... but they do achieve vote counts in double figures, now and again.
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    True, a 3.5% reduction in the size of the state is being opposed by so many and even those who support it only do so because they believe its necessary to stop our economy tanking.

    But thats why libertarians need to change the philosophical/ideological outlook of the nation. We are, afterall, the country of John Locke and Adam Smith. Theres no use in just giving up!
    Adam Smith and Locke weren't exactly what you'd call libertarian though. Adam Smith advocated free markets, but also using some of the proceeds to help the less well off in society. Locke argued, like Hobbes, that government was necessary mitigate the evils of a stateless society.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    A Cabinet consisting of: Niall Fergusson, Douglas Murray, Rory Stewart, David Davis, Lord Tebbit, John Redwood, Daniel Hannan, Douglas Carswell, Iain Duncan Smith, Lord Howard, Fraiser Nelson...

    :cool:
    ...excuse me one moment...

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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    Adam Smith and Locke weren't exactly what you'd call libertarian though. Adam Smith advocated free markets, but also using some of the proceeds to help the less well off in society. Locke argued, like Hobbes, that government was necessary mitigate the evils of a stateless society.
    You equate libertarian and anarcho-capitalist even though I'm sure the person you quoted is not an anarchist and therefore, according to your definition, not a libertarian.

    Was Milton Friedman not a libertarian? (he advocated a negative income tax to help the less well off) How about that socialist Hayek? he even supported enviromental regulations! what a commie...
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    (Original post by Bourgeois)
    You equate libertarian and anarcho-capitalist even though I'm sure the person you quoted is not an anarchist and therefore, according to your definition, not a libertarian.

    Was Milton Friedman not a libertarian? (he advocated a negative income tax to help the less well off) How about that socialist Hayek? he even supported enviromental regulations! what a commie...
    Libertarians aren't anarcho-capitalists, you're right, however the difference is only degrees of magnitude, not principle.

    Locke and Smith don't appear, from their writings (certainly not Smith), to subscribe to the same principle like Hayek and Friedman do.
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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    Adam Smith and Locke weren't exactly what you'd call libertarian though. Adam Smith advocated free markets, but also using some of the proceeds to help the less well off in society. Locke argued, like Hobbes, that government was necessary mitigate the evils of a stateless society.
    As has been said, not all libertarians are anarchists. I'm a libertarian and I support a basic welfare state e.g. public funded health insurance for the poor. So Adam Smith could well be seen as being about as libertarian as I am and indeed the Adam Smith Institute is a libertarian organisation.

    As for Locke arguing like Hobbes about the evils of a stateless society, they took a totally different view of the state of nature. I don't know why you just implied they felt the same way about it. Locke believed it'd be largely fine with a few practical issues that required a minimal state to resolve - whilst Hobbes thought the worst type of absolute monarch would be better than the state of nature. The only way they could actually be more different is if Locke was a total anarchist.

    I'd be happy if the state was limited in the ways Smith and Locke suggested, and I'm a libertarian. So make of that what you will.
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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    Libertarians aren't anarcho-capitalists, you're right, however the difference is only degrees of magnitude, not principle.

    Locke and Smith don't appear, from their writings (certainly not Smith), to subscribe to the same principle like Hayek and Friedman do.
    Okay. What are the principled differences between Smith and Hayek? (btw have you read Hayek's essay the Use of Knowledge in Society? it's pretty Smithian)

    You also haven't stated what principle Hayek and Friedman subscribe to. I don't think you will find one since they don't share the same philosophy. Friedman is an outright consequentialist (maximum liberty ftw) and Hayek's theory is not easy to identify (he had a peculiar, sort of organic & evolutionary idea about moral & pol. philosophy).

    In any case, I don't think this is a fruitful or important debate (it's actually quite boring ). But I object to this Chomskyan idea only because the evidence I have seen is extremely spurious (some handpicked quotes from Humbolt and Kant and a lot of rhetoric from Chomsky)
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Rory Stewart as Foreign Sec, and please find some role for Douglas Murray!

    Ah, I can but dream...
    Also, Andrew Roberts....

    Awfully old bump, I know.
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    (Original post by turn and fall)
    Where is the political ideology of the title nowadays? The curse of the right wing is the contradiction that conservatives are authoritarians.

    Increasingly I am becoming disinfranchised with democracy. There is no party that believes what I believe that I can find. My ideas are pretty much a function of the ideas of Hayek, Von Mises, Buchanon, Freidman, Adam Smith, Locke etc.

    The only politician I can find that holds the same beliefs as me is Ron Paul


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6D3uPLlCu8


    Where is the UK's Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Are you familiar with traditional libertarianism; left-libertarianism?
 
 
 
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