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    (Original post by clara78)
    i wasn't lieing its the truth and no it doesnt say that wife beating is approved how would you know arabic is a very complex language so sometimes when it is translated it is inaccurate.
    COMMENTARY OF AL TABARI[15]

    Tabari was a Shafi’i scholar and wrote one of the most extensive Quranic commentaries which was used by other Muslim scholars when writing their commentaries. Additionally, Tabari wrote a detailed history focusing primarily upon the Islamic world. This history is available in English as "The History of al-Tabari".

    Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others

    This means that men are in charge of their wives in leadership and discipline, because of paying them the dowry; spending their money on them; and providing for their needs. That’s how Allah chooses to excel men over them. That’s what the commentators have agreed on.

    Ibn Abbas said {Men are the maintainers of women} means that the woman has to obey her man in all of what Allah has commanded her, this includes the kind treatment of his family, the protection of his money.

    Al Dhahaak said: the man is the maintainer of his wife by ordering her to obey Allah. If she refused; then he can beat her not severely.

    It was said that this verse was revealed because a man hit his wife on her face, so she came to the prophet (saw). The prophet then wanted to judge in her favor. But Allah revealed { Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others}. Then the prophet called on the man and recited this verse to him and said: "I wanted one thing, but Allah wanted another".

    Al Zahry said: if a man hit his wife or wounded her, he is not to be charged, unless he kills her, then he shall be killed for murdering her.

    and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion

    Some scholars said: it means those whom you know that they are doing something disobedient. Others said: if you see a questionable behavior by them. Then you ought to advise them and refuse to sleep with them.

    {desertion} means: disobeying her husband. Ibn Abbas said: it is when the wife undermined her husband’s position and disobey him.

    {admonish them} Ibn Abbas said: by following the Quran. Mujahid said: if a woman deserted her bed and her husband told her : fear Allah and come back to bed and she obeyed him, then he has no right to admonish her.

    and leave them alone in the sleeping-places

    There are different opinions in interpreting this part of the verse. Some said: it means, do not have intercourse with them. Others like Ibn Abbas said: it means not to share bed with them (not intercourse). Others said: it means, to abandon speaking to them in bed.

    Ibn Abbas also said: it means, to stop talking to them, and to be mean to them and not have intercourse with them.

    and beat them

    It means: admonish them, but if they refused to repent, then tie them up in their homes and beat them until they obey Allah’s commands toward you. Scholars said: the beating that is allowed by Allah is not the severe kind. Ibn Abbas said: not severe.

    Also, Ibn Abbas said: abandon her in bed, but if she refused to return, then beat her not severely and do not break her bone. Ibn Abbas said: the beating has to be with light stick or the like.

    Al Qassem narrated, the prophet said: "do not abandon your wives except in bed, and when you beat them, do not beat them severely".



    COMMENTARY OF IBN KATHIR[16]

    Ibn Kathir was also a Shafi’i scholar and is one of the distinguished Islamic scholars. His commentary (tafseer) is a favorite of Sunni Muslims. Excerpts from his commentary on 4:34 follow. The quote is very long, but it is of great value in describing how the woman is positioned in Islam, and it provides the theological justification for her beating. I quote from pages 50 through 53.

    "In this verse Allah says that the man is the leader over the woman and is the one who disciplines her if she does wrong. "Because Allah has made one of them excel the other", this is because men are better than women, and a man is better than a woman. Therefore, prophethood and great kingship were confined to men, as the Prophet said, "A people that choose a woman as their leader will not succeed." This Hadith was narrated by Al-Bukhari. Added to that positions such as the judiciary, etc, … "And because they spend from their means." Here, Allah refers to the dowry and expenses, which Allah has prescribed in the Quran and Sunnah; and given a man is better than a woman, it is appropriate that he be her protector and maintainer, as Allah says: "But men have a degree over them." 2:228

    Therefore, a woman should obey her husband in what Allah has commanded her with regards to his obedience and Allah’s obedience. She should be kind towards his family, protective of his wealth. The statement was also held by Muqatil, As-Sudiy and Adh-Dhahhak.

    On the authority of Ali, Ibn Mardawaih narrated: "A man from al-Ansar came with a woman to the Prophet, then the woman said: "O Allah’s messenger! Her husband who was known as so and so from al-Ansar had hit her and that had affected her face." The Prophet replied: "He should not have done that." Then, the verse, "men are the protectors and maintainers of women", as far as discipline is concerned, was revealed. Therefore, the Prophet said, "You wanted something and Allah wanted something else.""

    "Because Allah has made one of them excel the other and because they spend from their means." Ash-Sha’bi stated that this excellence refers to the bridal money; for if the husband reprimands her, he shall not be punished and if she reprimands him, she will be lashed. "Therefore the righteous among women, are devoutly obedient" to their husbands. "And guard in the husband’s absence" her honor and his wealth. "What Allah orders them to guard." This part of the verse means that the guarded is he whom Allah has guarded.

    Quoting Abu Hurairah, Ibn Jarir narrated: "The Prophet said: "The best among women are the ones who pleases you when you look at her, obeys you when you give her an order and guards herself and your wealth during your absence." Then the Prophet recited: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women…""

    "As to those women on whose part you see misconduct (nushuzuhunna)." The reference is made to those who show disobedience. It is said that a nashiza – from the verb nashaza = to disobey – is a woman who disobeys her husband’s order, opposes and dislikes him. Therefore, if a husband feels the signs of her disobedience, he should give her advice, threaten her with Allah’s Punishment for her disobedience to her husband. This is because Allah has prescribed that a wife has a duty towards her husband and she should obey him, and that it is unlawful for her to disobey him due to his excellence. The Prophet said in this context: "If I were to order one to prostrate to another, I would order a women to prostrate to her husband due to the greatness of her duty towards him."

    "Refuse to share their beds." Ibn Abbas said: "A man should advise her if she accepts. Otherwise, he should refuse to share their bed." Quoting Ibn Abbas, "Sharing the bed means: a man should not have sexual intercourse with his wife, and should turn his back on her in bed. Quoting Muawiyyah Ibn Hida al-Qushairi, it is narrated in the books of Sunan (Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, etc…) and Musnad: "O Allah Messenger! What is a man’s duty towards his wife?" The Prophet replied: "Feed her when you feed yourself, buy her clothes when you buy yourself clothes, do not hit her in the face, do not scold and do not desert her except in the house.""

    "And beat them." If they do not abstain from their disobedience through both advice and desertion. However, the beating should be dharbun ghayru nubrah, i.e. light, according to the Hadith narrated in Sahih Muslim, on the authority of Jabir, who had quoted the Prophet as saying in his farewell pilgrimage: "And fear Allah in women, for they are your aides, and their duties towards you is that your beds should not be shared with someone you dislike. Therefore, if they disobey you, beat them lightly, and your duty towards them is that you should maintain and buy them clothes in a reasonable manner."

    Scholars said: dharbun ghayru nubrah means: The husband should beat his wife lightly, in a way which does not result in breaking one of her limbs or affecting her badly.

    "But if they obey, seek not against them means (of annoyance)." If a woman obeys her husband in all what he wants from her, as long as within the boundaries of what is lawful, he should not beat nor desert her."



    COMMENTARY OF BAIDAWI[17]

    Baidawi was a Persian Shafi’l scholar who was so respected that he was referred to as "The Judge".

    Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others

    Men are the maintainers over women just as rulers are over their populous, and Allah gave two reasons for this exaltation:

    One is due to the completeness of men’s brain over women’s deficiency, their management skills, and their extra requirement of worship; this is why men were chosen to be prophets; religious leaders; rulers; and enforcers of commandments; legal witnesses in a court of law; fighters in the cause of Allah; receivers of more share of the inheritance and in control of divorce. The other is their duty to pay dowry to their wives and provide for them.

    It was told that Sa’ad bin Al Rabee’a wife became disobedient so he smacked her. Then her father went to the messenger (saw) to file his complaint, wherein the messenger ruled in her favor. Then this verse was sent down, at which point the messenger said: we wanted something but Allah wanted another, and Allah knows better.

    and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion

    if you fear their disobedient

    Admonish them

    Then advise them

    and leave them alone in the sleeping-places

    Do not share bed with them, or do not face them when sleeping on the same bed or do not have intercourse with them.

    and beat them

    Means in a non severe manner.

    And these three options have to be followed in the same order



    COMMENTARY OF THE JALALAIN[18]

    This commentary is the work of two men named Jalal. The second Jalal (Suyuti), who was a Shafi’i scholar and a Sufi, and was regarded as being one the greatest Islamic scholars. He finished the work of the first.

    Men are in charge of, they have authority over, women, disciplining them and keeping them in check, because of that with which God has preferred the one over the other, that is, because God has given them the advantage over women, in knowledge, reason, authority and otherwise, and because of what they expend, on them [the women], of their property. Therefore righteous women, among them, are obedient, to their husbands, guarding in the unseen, that is, [guarding] their private parts and otherwise during their spouses' absence, because of what God has guarded, for them, when He enjoined their male spouses to look after them well. And those you fear may be rebellious, disobedient to you, when such signs appear, admonish them, make them fear God, and share not beds with them, retire to other beds if they manifest such disobedience, and strike them, but not violently, if they refuse to desist [from their rebellion] after leaving them [in separate beds]. If they then obey you, in what is desired from them, do not seek a way against them, a reason to strike them unjustly. God is ever High, Great, so beware of Him, lest He punish you for treating them unjustly.



    COMMENTARY OF IBN ABBAS[19]

    Ibn Abbas was Muhammad’s cousin and spent much time with him. He was regarded as being one of the great Muslim scholars of his time.

    (Men are in charge of women) they are in charge of overseeing the proper conduct of women, (because Allah hath made the one of them) the men through reason and the division of booty and estates (to excel the other) the women, (and because they spend of their property (for the support of women) through paying the dowry and spending on them, which the women are not required to do. (So good women) He says: those wives who are kind to their husbands (are the obedient) they are obedient to Allah regarding their husbands, (guarding) their own persons and the wealth of their husbands (in secret) when their husbands are not present (that which Allah hath guarded) through Allah's protection of them in that He gave them the success to do so. (As for those from whom ye fear) know (rebellion) their disobedience to you in bed, (admonish them) by means of sacred knowledge and the Qur'an (and banish them to beds apart) turn your faces away from them in bed, (and scourge them) in a mild, unexaggerated manner. (Then if they obey you) in bed, (seek not a way against them) as regard love. (Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted) above every single thing, (Great) greater than every single thing. Allah has not burdened you with that which you cannot bear, so do not burden women with that which they cannot bear of affection.



    COMMENTARY OF AL QURTUBI[20]

    "Qurtubi was from Cordova, Spain, a Maliki scholar and hadith specialist, he was one of the greatest Imams of Koranic exegesis."[21]

    Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others

    They provide for them, and from men come out rulers; princes & warriors, whereas this is not found among women.

    This verse was revealed because Sa’ad ibn Al Rabee’a slapped his wife Habibah bint Zaid after she deserted him. After which, her father said: O’ Messenger of Allah, I gave him my daughter (as a bed spread for him) but he slapped her. Then the messenger said: let us judge her husband. So she left with her father seeking judgment. But then the messenger said: come back, this is the angel Gabriel has come down to me. Then Allah revealed: (we willed something but Allah willed another). And in another story: (I willed something, but Allah willed something better).

    It was told that due to this incident, Sura 20:114 "…and do not make haste with the Quran before its revelation is made complete to you…" Was revealed.

    Abu Raouq said: this verse was revealed because of Jamilah bint Obey and her husband Thabit bin Qais. Al Kalby said: it was revealed because of Omayrah bint Muhammad bin Muslamah and her husband Sa’ad bin Al Rabee’a…Allah has revealed that the reason why men are excelled over women because men are the providers, and hence women will benefit from that. It is also said: men are excelled over women because they have more brain ability…

    and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion

    If the wife hates and desert her husband

    Admonish them

    By using Allah’s scripture. It means to remind them of their duties, toward their husbands, which were ordained to them by Allah. The prophet of Allah (saw) said: (if I was to order someone to prostrate to another person, I would have ordered the wife to prostrate to her husband)

    and leave them alone in the sleeping-places

    Ibn Masud said: it is the intercourse. As said Ibn Abbas and others.

    I (Al Qurtubi) said, it is a good thing; since if she loves her husband then this abandonment will be hard on her. But if she despises him, then her disobedient attitude towards him will become the more clearer.

    Ibn Abbas said: to leave them alone is to tie them up in their homes just as you would tie your ride. And this is Al Tabari’s own view on this. However, Judge Abu Bakr bin Al Araby renounced Al Tabari’s interpretation on the ground of tying the wife, as he believe that Al Tabari based his view on a strange hadith regarding Asma’ the daughter of Abu Bakr who was married to Al Zubair bin Al Awaam. She used to leave her home often until people began to gossip and fault her husband for that, As a result, Al Zubair blamed his second wife for this and tied Asma’s hair and the hair of his second wife together, then he beat both of them up very severely.

    This abandonment is believed by many scholars to be around a period of one month.

    and beat them

    Allah ordered that men begin by admonishing their wives as a first step, then abandonment, then beating if they refused to repent. This is because men are responsible to straighten their wives up. The beating mentioned in this verse has to do with the kind that is not severe and used for discipline. The kind that does not break the bone. However, it is not a crime if it leads to death. In the same manner a disciplinary will beat his son or student to teach him the Quran and manners.

    In a hadith in Sahih Muslim the Prophet said: (fear Allah with your wives. You were given them by Allah’s provision, and you were entrusted with their private parts by Allah’s word. You have the right that they do not allow anyone you dislike into your bed, but if they do, then beat them but not severely) the hadith. It was narrated on the authority of Jabir Al Taweel during Hajj. This means that they should not allow anyone into your home that you dislike whether relatives or foreign women.

    Al Tirmithi reported that Amro bin Al Ahwas had attended the Farewell Hajj and heard the messenger of Allah say: "Lo! My last recommendation to you is that you should TREAT WOMEN WELL. Truly they are your helpmates, and you have no right over them beyond that - EXCEPT IF THEY COMMIT A MANIFEST INDECENCY (fahisha mubina = adultery). If they do, then refuse to share their beds and beat them WITHOUT INDECENT VIOLENCE (fadribuhunna darban ghayra mubarrih*). Then, if they obey you, do not show them hostility any longer. Lo! you have a right over your women and they have a right over you. Your right over your women is that they not allow whom you hate to enter your bed nor your house. While their right over them is that you treat them excellently in their garb and provision."

    Atta asked Ibn Abbas: what is the non severer beating. Ibn Abbas answered: using a small stick or the like.

    It was reported also that Omar beat his wife and said, I heard the messenger of Allah say: (No man should be asked why he beat his wife).

    You need to know that Allah did not allow for beating in his book except in this situation and when the major sins have been committed. Therefore, Allah has made the disobedient of wives equivalent to the commitment of major sins.

    And Allah granted this privilege to the husbands over the Islamic authorities (Rulers), and allowed it for them without the need for a judge or witnesses or evidences. They were allowed this because they were entrusted by Allah to handle to take care of their wives.

    Al Muhallab said: the permission was given to beat the wives when they refuse to sleep with their husbands. By comparison, if she refuses to serve him too then he is permitted to beat her too.

    Her disobedient and refusal to sleep with her husband is a ground for the husband to deny her her allowance and all of her spousal rights, along with that, the husband is allowed to admonish her; refuse to sleep with her; and to beat her. But if she repented, then all of her rights will be reinstituted. The prophet (saw) said: (Allah’s mercy is on the man who hang his beating lash (stick) and disciplined his wife).



    AL-NAWAWI (Reliance of the Traveller)[22]

    Nawawi is one of the great Islamic jurisprudence scholars. He was a 13th century Shafi’i scholar. His work was used by Ahmad Naqib in writing "Reliance of the Traveller". This book is a "Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law". From the section m10.12, "Dealing with a Rebellious Wife", page 540,

    "When a husband notices signs of rebelliousness in his wife (nushuz), whether in words, as when she answers him coldly when she used to do so politely, or he asks her to come to bed and she refuses, contrary to her usual habit; or whether in acts, as when he finds her averse to him when she was previously kind and cheerful), he warns her in words (without keeping from her or hitting her, for it may be that she has an excuse. The warning could be to tell her, "fear Allah concerning the rights you owe to me," or it could be to explain that rebelliousness nullifies his obligation to support her and give her a turn amongst other wives, or it could be to inform her, "Your obeying me is religiously obligatory"). If she commits rebelliousness, he keeps from sleeping (and having sex) with her without words, and may hit her, but not in a way that injures her, meaning he may not (bruise her), break bones, wound her, or cause blood to flow. (It is unlawful to strike another’s face.) He may hit her whether she is rebellious only once or whether more than once, though a weaker opinion holds that he may hot hit her unless there is repeated rebelliousness."

    If the wife does not fulfill one of the above-mentioned obligations, she is termed "rebellious" (nashiz), and the husband takes the following steps to correct matters:

    (a) admonition and advice, by explaining the unlawfulness of rebellion, its harmful effect on married life, and by listening to her viewpoint on the matter;

    (b) if admonition is ineffectual, he keeps from her by not sleeping in bed with her, by which both learn the degree to which they need each other;

    (c) if keeping from her is ineffectual, it is permissible for him to hit her if he believes that hitting her will bring her back to the right path, though if he does not think so, it is not permissible. His hitting her may not be in a way that injures her, and is his last recourse to save the family.

    (d) if the disagreement does not end after all this, each partner chooses an arbitrator to solve the dispute by settlement, or divorce.
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    (Original post by ajp100688)
    ...and not from racist idiots like the BNP or EDF.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/12860407

    This kind of nonsense is why Islam really needs to undergo a reformation like Christianity did and strip itself of the conservative sexist elements that seem to be attracted to it. I mean really sending abuse to someone because they want to enter a beauty pageant, what nonsense.
    What is up with all your neg rep in that post? What kind of forum is this?
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    (Original post by clara78)
    stop reading things from biased anti-Islamic websites they are not authentic
    Pro Islamic websites are not authentic either in that case.,
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    (Original post by HarmanFan)
    What is up with all your neg rep in that post? What kind of forum is this?
    I'd presume it's because he has flat out lied in his OP by claiming that the messages of hate sent are not from any racists and has then proceeded to single out Muslims as having done this. By doing this he is simply exposing his anti-Muslim agenda. Why else would he cover up the fact that she also recieved abuse from White Supremacists & radical feminists.
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    (Original post by supernova92)
    That's awful... :/
    However, I can slightly see where they are coming from. I don't really know very much about islam, but doesn't modesty play a part? If someone could tell me.. why are there different "levels" of islam. Is it just how people choose to follow? What I mean is, how some muslim women can't even shake hands with another male, or some wear hijabs/burkhas, whereas others don't? Is it just the same as how there are devout christians, whereas others are less "strict", and there are different branches in christianity?
    Hadeeths (which are things the prophet said) tell women to wear the hijab. Then, a woman decides if she wants to or not. she is supposed to but if she doesnt feel right wearing it then why bother? It kinda is like how strict you decide to be. hijab is about how women are more than what they look like and it empowers them to be more than simple sex organs
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    (Original post by clara78)
    oh really and which school was that
    Does it matter? Like you're going to know it.
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    Would these same Muslims say terrorists who blow themselves up are disrespecting Islam?

    These people need to stop living in the 16th century for Christ's sake. I cant believe its 2011 and people are still dictated by such backwards religious views.
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    Dayum, shorty be trippin' :teeth:
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    (Original post by clara78)
    That's not what I said BNP PRAT
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk
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    (Original post by HarmanFan)
    What is up with all your neg rep in that post? What kind of forum is this?
    There are a lot of muslims on these forums, A LOT.
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    (Original post by imperial maniac)
    Hmmm, maybe that's because muhammad didn't believe in beating children.

    Oh and I've met real muslims when I was in secondary school, they beat me up, broke the windows of my house and generally tormented me for 5 years.
    Butthurt. Explains everything.
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    (Original post by clara78)
    That's not what I said BNP PRAT
    That's not a very constructive comment.

    You bloody terrorist.

    See? not getting us anywhere.
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    (Original post by imperial maniac)
    There are a lot of muslims on these forums, A LOT.
    Far too many if you ask me. However all the Muslim forums I have seen just talk about things like 'how to avoid gazing at hijabi women etc.' or 'does watching tv make me a helbound kuffar'. So no wonder all the Muslims are here.
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    I suggest those with knowledge of islam gained through google searches and internet forums not to quote their misguided misinformation in this thread.

    I lack both the energy and time to correct each and everyone of you so simply put: stop with purporting the notion that Islam is oppressive towards females.

    Find someone semi-literate on this religion whether they follow it or not and they will re-school you.
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    Pakistan produce some rather attractive women!
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    This is why,while Iam open minded about their being a God I have a huge problem with any organised religion. They all seem to be run by males. All the texts were written by males, all have the temerity to speak in the name of God. How dare this islamist,this human being,this man of flesh and blood who is no more superior or inferior to her say what is right and what is wrong concerning this girl and her choice ?How dare any muslim man or woman verbally attack this girl in the name of their religion in Gods name? If I was God I would be pretty well annoyed and would be throwing thunder bolts at their asses. and I would say the same if a roman catholic was dribbling on about the same thing before anyone accuse me of being a bigot.

    No one even knows if God is a man or a woman or perhaps God isn't either but above that. No one knows what God thinks about girls entering beauty contests,no one knows what God thinks about homosexuals or whether women can become ministers or rabbis.

    I personally think all religions cause more problems than they solve ,particularly when they are partly a political ideology which islam is. Iam personally horrified when I read about how some islamists in their name of their God throw acid on girls faces for not obeying them, stone them for adultery or have them flogged or locked up if they are raped. Or as happened in Israel recently saw off the heads of all of an israeli family including the children in the middle of the night . What kind of person does that?

    We need to be vigliant in this country to make sure this doesn't gain any kind of hold here while I believe in traditional roles of men and women,I regard womens traditional role as just as important as a man and I would get in the trenches and get out my trumpet to stop this disgusting thinking from becoming law. Again in has nothing to do with the skin colour of those who practice this religion if we have catholics or jews behaving like this, treating women like this, I would be thinking in just the same way.

    This is why we need politicians like col allen west a congressman now, to take on this perversion of Islam head on.
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    Muslims = aren't British.

    Go back to Pakistan or wherever you're from and run for beauty queen there.
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    (Original post by EsStupido)
    Muslims = aren't British.

    Go back to Pakistan or wherever you're from and run for beauty queen there.
    I bet you don't even know where you're from "lolz"

    :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by fist of the south star)
    I suggest those with knowledge of islam gained through google searches and internet forums not to quote their misguided misinformation in this thread.

    I lack both the energy and time to correct each and everyone of you so simply put: stop with purporting the notion that Islam is oppressive towards females.

    Find someone semi-literate on this religion whether they follow it or not and they will re-school you.
    :facepalm:

    You think we just googled this and went to the nearest trollish website?

    No, Islam's attitude towards women is clear.
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    (Original post by EsStupido)
    Muslims = aren't British.

    Go back to Pakistan or wherever you're from and run for beauty queen there.
    Fitting username you have there.
 
 
 
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