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    What do you think is a very big or large ironic moment / series of events and historical events that has happened?

    I'd point out the Roman Empire and christianity, seeing it as some weird cult and punishing, killing christians en masse in the first century AD, then eventually assimilating it into their culture, spreading christianity around Europe and eventually being the birthplace of the papacy, catholicism and arguably the most 'Christian' place in Europe throughout the middle ages anyway (Rome)

    Huge Irony, from a little religious cult or sect from most Romans viewpoint to common religion that you would be shunned for not being in the middle ages
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    That's not irony. Not even by any loose definition of the word.
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    (Original post by JAR12)
    That's not irony. Not even by any loose definition of the word.
    Oh rly. 'Something that goes against an expected reaction, behaviour or way of playing out', who would have thought the Roman empire would have ended up not only assimilating christianity but spreading it and becoming the hub of catholicism, that's not Irony?

    do you have an example of your own?
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    Ironic that in 1918 the Allies weakened Germany after WWI to the extent where they could not start another war, but all they did was anger and depress the country so much that they turned to a man who started WWII.
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    That the Arab world looks after its own and strikes down those who kill innocents.


    Yup, I see how its irony and sheer disbelief rolled into one.
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    (Original post by lukejoshjedi)
    What do you think is a very big or large ironic moment / series of events and historical events that has happened?

    I'd point out the Roman Empire and christianity, seeing it as some weird cult and punishing, killing christians en masse in the first century AD, then eventually assimilating it into their culture, spreading christianity around Europe and eventually being the birthplace of the papacy, catholicism and arguably the most 'Christian' place in Europe throughout the middle ages anyway (Rome)

    Huge Irony, from a little religious cult or sect from most Romans viewpoint to common religion that you would be shunned for not being in the middle ages
    The persecutions of Christianity are vastly exaggerated, particularly in the first century, and particularly on the part of the Romans.

    It was sporadic and often half-hearted at best, particularly during the first century.
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    Beethoven losing his hearing/ Monet almost going blind

    Robespierre's over enthusiasm for the guillotine

    Oh and Virgil dying before arguably the greatest literary work was published. Plus he wanted it burned :ninja:
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    (Original post by lukejoshjedi)
    Oh rly. 'Something that goes against an expected reaction, behaviour or way of playing out', who would have thought the Roman empire would have ended up not only assimilating christianity but spreading it and becoming the hub of catholicism, that's not Irony?

    do you have an example of your own?
    It's more of a reflection on your own expectations and your own manipulation of hindsight; to say that Christianity started out small and grew is not irony, and neither was the Romans adopting Christianity ironic either. Is your definition of irony simply change?
    I'll get back to you if I think of an example of irony :confused:
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    (Original post by James4d)
    Ironic that in 1918 the Allies weakened Germany after WWI to the extent where they could not start another war, but all they did was anger and depress the country so much that they turned to a man who started WWII.
    Other way round actually. France wanted Germany sent back to the Stone Age, but the United States and Britain thought that moderating the Treaty of Versailles and toning down reperation payments would make Germany happy enough that it would not start the war.

    I think the United States funding the Mujahideen during their war with the Soviets was kind of ironic, especially since it's those weapons and experience gained during said war that is making the Taliban such a pain in the ass right now.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    I think the United States funding the Mujahideen during their war with the Soviets was kind of ironic, especially since it's those weapons and experience gained during said war that is making the Taliban such a pain in the ass right now.
    Definitely humorously-tragically ironic
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    Messalina (Wife of Claudius) Had a man killed so she could acquire his garden and ended up being executed in it a few years for crimes against the Emperor.
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    The majority of people were incredibly hostile towards the rebels of the 1916 Rising. Maxwell was warned that if he pursued vengence too far, that the tide of opinion would turn, and further rebellions would be a reality. Fifteen people were executed within a month of the Rising, nearly 2,000 others were imprisoned, many of whom had not been involved at all. Opinion swung around in favour of the rebels, who were martyred. The Free State was established only six years later. This would not have happened if the British reaction to the Rising was mild. Violence to achieve independence was a minority view before the Rising, after the executions it took over completely. Ironic that the British reaction actively helped independence become a reality.
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    that Hitler thought that Aryan's were the supreme race... yet he was not Aryan or even from Germany... oh dear.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    Other way round actually. France wanted Germany sent back to the Stone Age, but the United States and Britain thought that moderating the Treaty of Versailles and toning down reperation payments would make Germany happy enough that it would not start the war.

    I think the United States funding the Mujahideen during their war with the Soviets was kind of ironic, especially since it's those weapons and experience gained during said war that is making the Taliban such a pain in the ass right now.
    Yes and the crazy thing is, the US and Britain are now thinking about doing it again in Libya!

    Britain/US also made Saddam Hussein leader of Iraq, look what happened to him!

    The 20th Century was just a century of ironic blunders really.
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    (Original post by gbduo)
    Yes and the crazy thing is, the US and Britain are now thinking about doing it again in Libya!

    Britain/US also made Saddam Hussein leader of Iraq, look what happened to him!

    The 20th Century was just a century of ironic blunders really.
    Slightly different now. Then they armed a bunch of religious nutcases to fight off those damned Ruskies and their damned commie ideas.

    Now they're arming a bunch of national rebels to fight against an opressive dictator.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Slightly different now. Then they armed a bunch of religious nutcases to fight off those damned Ruskies and their damned commie ideas.

    Now they're arming a bunch of national rebels to fight against an opressive dictator.
    Yes, national rebels now, in 20 years time...?

    All i'm saying is one cannot predict the future and we seem to be very good in the past 100 years of arming people to fight a cause we think is good only for it to bite us in the ass in 10 years time.

    Air strikes and getting Gaddafi out of power, fine. Equipping the rebels, bad plan. Especially if the weapons get into Gaddafi hands.
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    (Original post by gbduo)
    Yes, national rebels now, in 20 years time...?

    All i'm saying is one cannot predict the future and we seem to be very good in the past 100 years of arming people to fight a cause we think is good only for it to bite us in the ass in 10 years time.

    Air strikes and getting Gaddafi out of power, fine. Equipping the rebels, bad plan. Especially if the weapons get into Gaddafi hands.
    Ehh. But it is a very different situation. We're equipping them to fight their enemy, not ours. And we're doing it overtly this time. None of these backroom deals behind Ivan's back that are always going wrong.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Ehh. But it is a very different situation. We're equipping them to fight their enemy, not ours. And we're doing it overtly this time. None of these backroom deals behind Ivan's back that are always going wrong.
    We shall see.
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    Definitely not the "greatest" but just in my head at this exact moment:
    The People's Will assassinating Alexander II in 1881, as he was on his way to sign a constitution towards a representative Duma, which would have helped the People's Will with their cause.
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    (Original post by Jesobel)
    that Hitler thought that Aryan's were the supreme race... yet he was not Aryan or even from Germany... oh dear.
    Not strictly true.

    Hitler was Austrian, true, but Austrians are arguably German and Austria is arguably a part of Germany.

    Also Aryan is a pretty loose term that means different things to different people. Arguably Germans are Aryan.
 
 
 
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