Anti-Street Harassment UK- a new feminist group.

I talked about punishments as some other girls mentioned earlier that men should face punishments for it. So I assumed the group was going to try and make the government punish the "harassment". But if this isn't the case, what the heck is the point of this movement then?! Why are you wasting your time and our time on something that won't make that much of a difference anyway?

It's funny how the Anti-harassment group only focus on the harassment of women. Why have they ignored the harassment of men by women? Why are women made out in this modern feminist society to be the worst victims? This is why I hate modern feminism in general these days. They completely focus on women problems and make out they're the worst victims but ignore men's problem.

So the whole point of this movement is to make it more socially unacceptable to "harass" women? Have you read on of my earlier posts? You and the anti-harassment group must be extremely naive to think everyone on the planet gives a damn about a group of men shouting "How's it going love?" There's more important things to worry about. And if you think for one second that everyone in the UK is actually going to tell their mates and suggest to them not to "harass" women, then you need help. Everyone has got more important things to do and talk about than women being "harassed". Not everybody is going to care or give a damn about your "movement."

And therefore, this "movement" is a waste of time. In the world, with the government, with the police, there's no morality. There's law. Something is either legal or illegal. Anything in between just has to be dealt with. The "movement" ain't gonna make hollering/shouting at women illegal. You can't make our freedom of speech illegal. So men can't be punished for hollering. So why bother wasting your time over it? Pretending the "movement" is gonna make it more socially unacceptable (which isn't going to happen) isn't going to make the problem go away. So what will you women do then? Go to your anti-harassment website and bitch and moan about it? Or will you just ignore the men and get on with your life?

Let's say I was walking down the street during the day and there was a group of women standing outside a shop. And as I was walking past them, one of them shouted at me "Nice arse boi", the other girls started giggling together loudly and they all kept shouting at me. And there were lots of people around me, including women. What would the people expect me to do? Would they expect me to start getting upset about it and feel "harassed"? Would they, most likely, ignore the situation because they expect me to be a man, ignore it and move on with my life? Would a WOMAN intervene for me and try and help me out because I was getting "harassed?" Or would she expect me to be a MAN and dealt with it? That's right. You know what would most likely happen. Everyone will ignore it and carry with what they were doing. Because they'll expect me to DEAL with it. A lot of you women should learn to do the same.

If it turns to groping or physical violence, obviously the police should get involved. But the anti-harassment group isn't needed for men shouting or whatever. You women should just deal with it.

1)The point being, if it becomes more socially unacceptable less people might do it. No one is wasting your time, you don't have to do it, you don't have to be involved with it, no one is forcing you to do it.



2)Maybe they feel it's a bigger problem for women. If you feel that men would benefit from such a group, no one is stopping you from creating one.



3)Who speculated about the number of people who would partake in it? If you've got more important things to worry about, then go and worry about those important things and get on with your own life.




4)If it's a waste of time stop discussing it!



5)Maybe, if it were more socially unacceptable people wouldn't see it this way.



6)Then let us deal with it and go away.

You seem to spend an awful lot of time moaning about something which you apparently 'don't give a damn' about.

Theres nothing wrong with staring, its harassing, grouping, shouting at which is the problem.

1) When did I say I wanted to do it or take part in it?

Why are you wasting your time and our time on something that won't make that much of a difference anyway?

2) The point of my posts is to illustrate that an anti-harassment group isn't necessarily needed. There's more important things in life to focus your time and energy on. Which is why men don't need one because we just deal with it.

3) This is a forum. I'm entitled to add my views on the topic that has been raised. I just want others to see my view and think about it logically before they start unnecessarily jumping on this anti-harassment bandwagon. If they still think joining or supporting the group is vital, then fair enough.

4)As I've said above, I'm showing a different perspective to it. So that people just don't hear about the group and automatically and blindly assume that women are the worst victims in the world. And like a lot of things in life, people have to learn to man up deal with things.

5) OK. But I still stand by my point, that like a lot of things in life, you have to man up and deal with it.

6) As above, I'm just add my views on the subject. I do give a damn about it because a lot of people knee-jerk about things they hear in the media and blindly make wrong-assumptions. By adding my views like others have done on this thread, people would think about it more logically and come to better conclusions. However, I don't give a damn about the group itself. I'm not going to partake in it. And others won't give a damn as well.

If you women feel it is so important a cause to support, then feel free to do so. I want just giving my opinions on the subject.

So, if you're walking down the street looking gorgeous, you're not going to mind me staring at you with my mouth hanging open?

At what point does it become harassment? Staring in an obvious way? Whistling? Offering you a cigarette? Obviously just walking upto you and grabbing you ain't right.

I think the point OP was trying to make is that a lot of women go out wearing belts for skirts and pieces of thread for underwear, knowing full well that they are going to pique the interest of countless blokes, and then they cry sexual harassment if a bloke so much as looks in her direction. Moral of the story: don't go out looking like you intend to take advantage of how short your skirt is if you don't.

Anyway, as it is for me, it's a girl's face that turns my head, and seeing naked girls gamboling down the street doesn't turn me on. I'm far more likely to stare at you or try and talk to you if you're dressed sensibly and have a nice face.

This is why I'm so shy around women. If see a girl I like, I daren't approach her for fear of being accused of harassment for simply saying "hey, what's your name?"

No, sexual harassment is not looking at her
Any woman trying to take a man to court for simply glancing at her will fail miserably before it even get's a hearing.
Do you even understand what harassment means?

So, if you're walking down the street looking gorgeous, you're not going to mind me staring at you with my mouth hanging open?

At what point does it become harassment? Staring in an obvious way? Whistling? Offering you a cigarette? Obviously just walking upto you and grabbing you ain't right.

I think the point OP was trying to make is that a lot of women go out wearing belts for skirts and pieces of thread for underwear, knowing full well that they are going to pique the interest of countless blokes, and then they cry sexual harassment if a bloke so much as looks in her direction. Moral of the story: don't go out looking like you intend to take advantage of how short your skirt is if you don't.

Anyway, as it is for me, it's a girl's face that turns my head, and seeing naked girls gamboling down the street doesn't turn me on. I'm far more likely to stare at you or try and talk to you if you're dressed sensibly and have a nice face.

This is why I'm so shy around women. If see a girl I like, I daren't approach her for fear of being accused of harassment for simply saying "hey, what's your name?"

Haha. The last bit was funny. To be fair, some girls on this thread have said approaching them in a nice manner is OK. But if this movement goes to the extreme, even approaching and talking to women in a friendly manner can be seen as harassment by some women. And don't forget if a hot guy approaches a woman, it's cute. If a not-so-hot guy approaches a woman, he's a creep lol.

But I see the OP's point in general as well. But unfortunately, a lot of girls seem to have this strange idea that they can wear whatever the heck they like without consequences, in a world full of perverts and gropers (even though groping is wrong). I'm not saying they deserve to be groped or in some cases, shouted at offensively, just because they were half naked on a night out. But surely, they know that there'll be some men and perverts out there, who wouldn't be able to control themselves and then grope the girls. Or shout from a distance "Hi gorgeous". The girls must know this is likely to happen if they dress like half their t1ts and arse hanging out.

And therefore, I find it unfair how these girls can claim to be "harassed", when they knew this was likely to happen with the way they dressed. And that's one of the reasons why I don't see the point of the anti-harassment group because it'll allow girls to have no self-control or self-respect with their dressing-up. It'll remove their responsibility to dress appropriately and sensibly (that doesn't mean they can't dress attractively at the same time. Dressing slutty doesn't equal dressing attractively). Whenever they're "harassed", they can just easily blame the men even if they're walking around in a bikini lol.

So the whole point of this movement is to make it more socially unacceptable to "harass" women? Apparently as someone has just said, they'll name and shame anyone that "harasses" women. Have you read some of my earlier posts? You and the anti-harassment group must be extremely naive to think everyone on the planet gives a damn about a group of men shouting "How's it going love?" There's more important things to worry about. And if you think for one second that everyone in the UK is actually going to tell their mates and suggest to them not to "harass" women, then you need help. Everyone has got more important things to do and talk about than women being "harassed". Not everybody is going to care or give a damn about your "movement." Seriously, who has the time and energy to "name and shame" the harassers? In a fantasy world, everyone would do this. But not in the real world. Welcome to reality.

And therefore, this "movement" is a waste of time. In the world, with the government, with the police, there's no morality. There's only law. Something is either legal or illegal. Anything in between just has to be dealt with.

There's my problem, I think.

But surely, they know that there'll be some men and perverts out there, who wouldn't be able to control themselves and then grope the girls.

I never used that argument, so I think that you are protesting a little too much.

If you live in a world where you can't tell your mates "hey, quit that, it's offensive" for things that aren't illegal... I'm sorry for you. Seriously, I've not much more to say on the subject than that. I've had friends ask me to lay off things that bothered them, and I've done likewise. Usually we go more on "let me explain why I'd prefer you stop that" than "YOU WILL GO TO JAIL!!!". If I had to resort to threatening them with jail... we probably wouldn't be friends any more.

Aaaand inside a working environment (you know, WHEN YOU GET A JOB) I think you'll find that "company policy" can differ from "the law" a great deal. I've worked a lot of companies where they would suspend someone for that sort of behaviour, and yes, even on building sites that's started to filter down. A company hires a building firm for a contract, they get complaints from women passing the site, they don't hire that firm again. We're in a recession, there are LOTS of builders, they can afford to hire someone else.

Seriously, you live in a world totally without social pressure for people to be decent to each other? Sucks to be you.

No.

Not if they're in business dress.

Not if they're half-naked.

Not if they're nude.

Not if they're drunk.

Not if they're unconscious.

You have control of your body. You have control over whether you reach out and touch someone or not. Would you accept "I have a suit fetish, I couldn't control myself"? No.

If someone TRULY cannot control themselves from touching, no matter what the provocation, they are either a small child or have the impulse control of one. And if the second, they are mentally ill and need to be treated as such.

Lol are you surprised this is a feminist you were talking to they like to create arguements that fit the view even if the person who they arguing with does'nt hold that view forever anon did this a while back on the thread to me shes just likes to have a rant its as if she does'nt actually read what you wrote.

Also she likes moving the goal posts she was complaining about 2 guys with less qualifications than her getting the job she wanted than when I told her this also happened to me with a woman with no qualifications she said well there could have been other reasons for you not getting the job.

Well than why did she not consider that there could have been other reasons iver than her accusation of sexism that they got the job?

Lol are you surprised this is a feminist you were talking to they like to create arguements that fit the view even if the person who they arguing with does'nt hold that view forever anon did this a while back on the thread to me shes just likes to have a rant its as if she does'nt actually read what you wrote.

Also she likes moving the goal posts she was complaining about 2 guys with less qualifications than her getting the job she wanted than when I told her this also happened to me with a woman with no qualifications she said well there could have been other reasons for you not getting the job.

Well than why did she not consider that there could have been other reasons iver than her accusation of sexism that they got the job?