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    There's a woman who lives on my street. Her entire life revolves around taking care of her husband, children, and house.
    For me, to think that her entire life consists of cooking and cleaning is sexist and degrading. She has no real possessions of her own, no job, no car.. nothing. She is completely dependent on her husband.
    I think that to be a housewife in the twenty-first century is degrading in general. I find it empowering that I have a job and can support myself. I live with my boyfriend and we BOTH work so we can each put in our two cents when the rent comes in. We are equals. I am not expected to prop up a pillow behind his head and hand him his coffee as he comes home from work every day.
    We aren't put on this earth to cook and clean and do nothing else, like this woman and her husband (and many others) believe.
    Can housewifery truly be a fulfilling lifestyle to lead?
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    (Original post by cometgirl)
    She is completely dependent on her husband.
    And her husband doesn't depend on HER at all? :|

    I find it admirable that some women are willing to put their career and hobbies on hold so that they can take better care of their children. Why do you think her whole life revolves around "cooking and cleaning", as opposed to thinking her whole life revolves around taking care of her family?
    Many women mistake making sacrafices for their spouse/partner as degrading themselves. Sure, it CAN be degrading if the man comes home from work and does absolutely nothing to help. But many people who make this kind of decision do so on the basis of working out a schedule that benefits the family and suits whatever situation they're in. Financial income is only one part of what contributes to a having a stable family.
    If you do not love your man enough to "prop up a pillow behind his head" and give him a cup of coffee after a hard day, then why are you with him? Would you want the same if the roles were reversed? I know I certainly wouldn't mind it ...
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    (Original post by cometgirl)
    There's a woman who lives on my street. Her entire life revolves around taking care of her husband, children, and house.
    For me, to think that her entire life consists of cooking and cleaning is sexist and degrading. She has no real possessions of her own, no job, no car.. nothing. She is completely dependent on her husband.
    I think that to be a housewife in the twenty-first century is degrading in general. I find it empowering that I have a job and can support myself. I live with my boyfriend and we BOTH work so we can each put in our two cents when the rent comes in. We are equals. I am not expected to prop up a pillow behind his head and hand him his coffee as he comes home from work every day.
    We aren't put on this earth to cook and clean and do nothing else, like this woman and her husband (and many others) believe.
    Can housewifery truly be a fulfilling lifestyle to lead?
    Then piss off and get a job instead of judging the lifestyle of others.
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    (Original post by cometgirl)
    There's a woman who lives on my street. Her entire life revolves around taking care of her husband, children, and house.
    For me, to think that her entire life consists of cooking and cleaning is sexist and degrading. She has no real possessions of her own, no job, no car.. nothing. She is completely dependent on her husband.
    I think that to be a housewife in the twenty-first century is degrading in general. I find it empowering that I have a job and can support myself. I live with my boyfriend and we BOTH work so we can each put in our two cents when the rent comes in. We are equals. I am not expected to prop up a pillow behind his head and hand him his coffee as he comes home from work every day.
    We aren't put on this earth to cook and clean and do nothing else, like this woman and her husband (and many others) believe.
    Can housewifery truly be a fulfilling lifestyle to lead?
    If a wife is propped up on a pedestal, shielded from the rat race by their husband then suddenly he's a chauvinist pig.

    Your situation sounds perfect above for a life without children. But she has children. Sacrifices have to be made. If you have children, one of you will have to be the breadwinner.

    Or is it not sexist if a man is forced to stay at home and cook and clean?
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    I love the idea of being a housewife in the future. I think it would be a very fulfilling lifestyle to know that i would make the lives of my husband and children happy ones.
    When someone cooks for a living, they're a chef. When someone cleans and tidys for a living, they're a maid. When someone looks after children for a living they're a nanny. But when a woman does all of them it's seen as a pointless lifestyle choice, and i just don't understand that.
    If the woman was forced by her husband to give up her job and be a housewife then that isn't fair, however when it's a personal choice i don't see anything wrong with it.
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    I think the answer to your question regarding whether or not housewifery is fulfilling is surely subjective. Personally I'd like to have a career but if someone else would feel fulfilled through being a housewife then thats also fine.
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    (Original post by cometgirl)
    There's a woman who lives on my street. Her entire life revolves around taking care of her husband, children, and house.
    For me, to think that her entire life consists of cooking and cleaning is sexist and degrading. She has no real possessions of her own, no job, no car.. nothing. She is completely dependent on her husband.
    I think that to be a housewife in the twenty-first century is degrading in general. I find it empowering that I have a job and can support myself. I live with my boyfriend and we BOTH work so we can each put in our two cents when the rent comes in. We are equals. I am not expected to prop up a pillow behind his head and hand him his coffee as he comes home from work every day.
    We aren't put on this earth to cook and clean and do nothing else, like this woman and her husband (and many others) believe.
    Can housewifery truly be a fulfilling lifestyle to lead?
    Yes it can and many women find it to be so. Many men find it fulfilling to be househusbands as well.

    You've no idea what their situation is, she might've chosen to be a stay-at-home wife and to argue she has no possessions, etc. is a bit silly. Stop being so damn judgemental.
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    I'm a housewife....nothing wrong with being one either!.Ok so I dont go out to work but I sure as hell do enough work in the house.With working outside the house, you're done come the end of your shift/office day, but as a housewife...well my day ends when I go to bed around 10pm.

    I dont feel trapped or unfulfilled at all
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    So the mother should work full time as well as raise the children?
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    I don't think being a housewife is a bad thing, but I don't think it's particularly admirable either. At least not in my opinion. I have much more admiration for a woman who raises children whilst maintaining a career.
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    (Original post by cometgirl)
    There's a woman who lives on my street. Her entire life revolves around taking care of her husband, children, and house.
    For me, to think that her entire life consists of cooking and cleaning is sexist and degrading. She has no real possessions of her own, no job, no car.. nothing. She is completely dependent on her husband.
    I think that to be a housewife in the twenty-first century is degrading in general. I find it empowering that I have a job and can support myself. I live with my boyfriend and we BOTH work so we can each put in our two cents when the rent comes in. We are equals. I am not expected to prop up a pillow behind his head and hand him his coffee as he comes home from work every day.
    We aren't put on this earth to cook and clean and do nothing else, like this woman and her husband (and many others) believe.
    Can housewifery truly be a fulfilling lifestyle to lead?

    I completely agree. It is degrading, they are just sponging off their partners.


    When I worked in a phone shop I would set people up for contract phones and when I asked their occupation and they gave me this snotty high-and-mighty look and said "housewife" I would list it as 'unemployed'

    Go out and get a job and earn your own money, you parasites.


    Funny how the whole of TSR loves housewives but hates benefit scroungers. How are they different?
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    I don't think being a housewife is degrading at all. some people find that looking after their home and their family is just as important as going to work. this way mothers might feel that they can put more time and effort into bringing up their children. some people get a lot satisfaction doing things for their husbands maybe because it make them feel needed. it depends on the person really and what is important to them.

    but being a housewife can be a bad thing. some people become ignorant if they don't get out and get life experience. If you are always at home and are surrounded by the same people day in and out it could be quite limiting.
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    (Original post by cometgirl)
    There's a woman who lives on my street. Her entire life revolves around taking care of her husband, children, and house.
    For me, to think that her entire life consists of cooking and cleaning is sexist and degrading. She has no real possessions of her own, no job, no car.. nothing. She is completely dependent on her husband.
    I think that to be a housewife in the twenty-first century is degrading in general. I find it empowering that I have a job and can support myself. I live with my boyfriend and we BOTH work so we can each put in our two cents when the rent comes in. We are equals. I am not expected to prop up a pillow behind his head and hand him his coffee as he comes home from work every day.
    We aren't put on this earth to cook and clean and do nothing else, like this woman and her husband (and many others) believe.
    Can housewifery truly be a fulfilling lifestyle to lead?
    Get back to your cleaning in the kitchen.
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    (Original post by cometgirl)
    There's a woman who lives on my street. Her entire life revolves around taking care of her husband, children, and house.
    For me, to think that her entire life consists of cooking and cleaning is sexist and degrading. She has no real possessions of her own, no job, no car.. nothing. She is completely dependent on her husband.
    I think that to be a housewife in the twenty-first century is degrading in general. I find it empowering that I have a job and can support myself. I live with my boyfriend and we BOTH work so we can each put in our two cents when the rent comes in. We are equals. I am not expected to prop up a pillow behind his head and hand him his coffee as he comes home from work every day.
    We aren't put on this earth to cook and clean and do nothing else, like this woman and her husband (and many others) believe.
    Can housewifery truly be a fulfilling lifestyle to lead?
    I think you underestimate how difficult/how time-consuming looking after kids is. Looking after kids properly is HARD - doing it properly is easily a full-time job, in most cases I think the guy that goes to work has the easier end of it. When you have children, they have to come first - not your friends, job or anything else. Obviously they are the responsibility of both parents, guys can't expect girls to give up their jobs to let the guy stay in his, but if that arrangement works for that couple that's great - don't think its degrading at all.

    (Original post by Suzanathema)
    I completely agree. It is degrading, they are just sponging off their partners.
    And is the guy not sponging off her, given that she is raising his kids? You have *no idea* how much time/skill looking after small children takes.
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)

    And is the guy not sponging off her, given that she is raising his kids? You have *no idea* how much time/skill looking after small children takes.

    That's a problem for them both to deal with, not just her. He is the one making the money, she is just his house-slave. It takes two people to decide to have kids, if he wanted nothing to do with them he should have got a vasectomy or something. Men who are never around for their kids are just as bad as women who refuse to work.

    Perhaps if she worked too they could afford some childcare and she would actually be doing something worthwhile with her life rather than living like a parasite watching Jeremy Kyle all day.
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    (Original post by Suzanathema)
    That's a problem for them both to deal with, not just her. He is the one making the money, she is just his house-slave. It takes two people to decide to have kids, if he wanted nothing to do with them he should have got a vasectomy or something. Men who are never around for their kids are just as bad as women who refuse to work.

    Perhaps if she worked too they could afford some childcare and she would actually be doing something worthwhile with her life rather than living like a parasite watching Jeremy Kyle all day.
    "Childcare". This is the thing. I just don't see the sense in paying someone else to do something you can do yourself, unless you are a top top executive or something. There are also plenty of kids for whom childcare is extremely stressful and thus inappropriate.

    Why do you think that women (or househusbands) who look after their own kids are "sponging" whereas people who look after other people's kids for money are "working"? Why do you think that having other people look after your kids is better than doing it yourself????

    RE: Jeremy Kyle, I think you seriously underestimate how difficult it can be to look after kids. You have to get them up in the morning and out the door for school, do their uniforms, help with homework, provide discipline, try to engage them, get them to bed, deal with friends, make sure they've packed their bags, cook dinners and deal with food fussiness... obviously some kids are a LOT easier than others, but most kids are easily a full-time job, it is not sitting around watching JK all day. Looking after my brothers for a few days (big age gap) is one of the most exhausting things I've done. Obviously that is a burden for both the guy and the girl, but if one couple reach an arrangement whereby one parent looks after the kids and one works (as opposed to both parents working part-time or putting your kids in childcare I guess? neither are ideal) I don't see the problem.
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    "Childcare". This is the thing. I just don't see the sense in paying someone else to do something you can do yourself, unless you are a top top executive or something. There are also plenty of kids for whom childcare is extremely stressful and thus inappropriate.

    Why do you think that women (or househusbands) who look after their own kids are "sponging" whereas people who look after other people's kids for money are "working"? Why do you think that having other people look after your kids is better than doing it yourself????

    RE: Jeremy Kyle, I think you seriously underestimate how difficult it can be to look after kids. You have to get them up in the morning and out the door for school, do their uniforms, help with homework, provide discipline, try to engage them, get them to bed, deal with friends, make sure they've packed their bags, cook dinners and deal with food fussiness... obviously some kids are a LOT easier than others, but most kids are easily a full-time job, it is not sitting around watching JK all day. Looking after my brothers for a few days (big age gap) is one of the most exhausting things I've done. Obviously that is a burden for both the guy and the girl, but if one couple reach an arrangement whereby one parent looks after the kids and one works (as opposed to both parents working part-time or putting your kids in childcare I guess? neither are ideal) I don't see the problem.

    Well whatever. I'm not denying people the right to do what they want, if they have no aspirations for their life then fine, that's their choice.


    I'm afraid you won't change my mind though. The day I become a housewife is the day I reach under the sink in the house my husband owns and neck the bottle of bleach he gave me a tenner from his wallet and a shopping list to go and buy. I cannot think of a worse life and I don't think I will ever be able to understand how people can do it. I would seriously want to die within about a week.
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    (Original post by GodspeedGehenna)
    Then piss off and get a job instead of judging the lifestyle of others.
    You're ****ing stupid.
    Did you not read my post?
    I said me and my partner BOTH work. We are both the 'breadwinners' in our relationship.
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    (Original post by cometgirl)
    You're ****ing stupid.
    Did you not read my post?
    I said me and my partner BOTH work. We are both the 'breadwinners' in our relationship.
    What's the problem then? Why are you judging the lives of those who do choose to be housewives. As 'degrading' as you may see it to be, they might derive huge amount of pleasure from that lifestyle. What business is it to you?
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    My Mum was a "housewife" before me and my sister started school. I can't imagine why she would want to hand me and my sister over to some stranger to look after? It's not as if she was "sponging" off my Dad, she was doing something that used to be the norm - looking after her own children. When I was old enough to go to Nursery (and my sister is older, so she was at school), then she got a job at the Nursery. When I started at school, she was a bus escort on the school bus to and from school, and worked across the road from the school, then came back with us. She worked around me and my sister, and wouldn't give up looking after us for a job. She only went full time when we could look after ourselves.

    Now she's a bank manager.
 
 
 
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