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    (Original post by Teveth)
    the Tories, as everyone knows, are all about wealth preservation for the very rich using fake morality to con the middle and working classes into voting for them.
    And Labour, as everybody knows, is about the destruction of aspirations and dreams, wanting everybody to be equally poor and miserable, and bending to the will of their Trade Union masters.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    And Labour, as everybody knows, is about the destruction of aspirations and dreams, wanting everybody to be equally poor and miserable, and bending to the will of their Trade Union masters.
    Not a very accurate statement that is it? Mind you neither is the comment you quoted on. Which party do you support?
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    (Original post by kevR94)
    Not a very accurate statement that is it? Mind you neither is the comment you quoted on. Which party do you support?
    Yes I know my statement wasn't accurate, but absurdity is the only thing that Teveth understands.
    I support the Conservatives, but that doesn't mean I hate all other parties. Sometimes I agree with Labour over the Tories on certain issues, and I admire Jack Straw's hardline approach to Law.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    Yes I know my statement wasn't accurate, but absurdity is the only thing that Teveth understands.
    I support the Conservatives, but that doesn't mean I hate all other parties. Sometimes I agree with Labour over the Tories on certain issues, and I admire Jack Straw's hardline approach to Law.
    I totally agree, i hate it when people hate people such as, say... Vince Cable just because he is a Lib Dem. Or anyone else, of course i agree with a few things that other parties propose such as David Cameron's view on prisoners votes.
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    (Original post by kevR94)
    What about economically? Do you agree with the Tories on their cuts?
    To an extent not in terms of defense cuts. And I am wary on the NHS reform.
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    The Lib Dems are nearest to me in ideology, however I'm not highly fond of them atm so I am currently without a preference.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    I'm not aware of any opposition that has had a full, comprehensive shadow budget...ever. And even if that were not the case, I don't see how it's a reason not to vote for them. It's the government's job to set the budget, and the opposition's job to scrutinise it.

    We have given our general plan, and that is to half the deficit over 4 years.
    What?

    Halve the benefits for BNP supporters and increase the benefits for the EDL supporters.

    That is halving the deficit- Labour style.
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    I am actually a member of UKIP and joined the party for a number of reasons.
    Firstly I believe that most politicians just do understand how the majority of the public feel and it always seems that the British people are never given referenda on important issues. Secondly I believe that the EU is terribly expensive costing £45M per day which I think would be better spent on frontline services such as the NHS and the police force.
    Though I am a UKIPer I am sympathetic to the Tories.
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    Tory Party! Ken Clarke ftw
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    The Labour Party is the ONLY morally just major political party. The Lib Dems have shown themselves to be nothing but a pack of cowardly liars, and the Tories, as everyone knows, are all about wealth preservation for the very rich using fake morality to con the middle and working classes into voting for them.

    Throughout modern British history, the betterment of society has always been brought about by Labour. The NHS, fair wages, equal rights, better working conditions...you name it - Labour.

    A vote for the Tories or Lib Dems is a statement of stupidity.
    lol
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    (Original post by Scholefield :))
    The Lib Dems are nearest to me in ideology, however I'm not highly fond of them atm so I am currently without a preference.
    Due to their tuition fees lie? Big fat lie.
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    Maybe the Lib Dems don't need to rebrand- everyone just thought they were the No Tuition Fee Party and ignored any other policies they might have had.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    The Labour Party is the ONLY morally just major political party. The Lib Dems have shown themselves to be nothing but a pack of cowardly liars, and the Tories, as everyone knows, are all about wealth preservation for the very rich using fake morality to con the middle and working classes into voting for them.

    Throughout modern British history, the betterment of society has always been brought about by Labour. The NHS, fair wages, equal rights, better working conditions...you name it - Labour.

    A vote for the Tories or Lib Dems is a statement of stupidity.
    Labour have lied on may things. WMDs in Iraq! PFi schemes, nationalising the railways........you're right about tories lib dems etc. but i think you are deluded about labour.
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    (Original post by kevR94)
    Which political party is best? Pro's and con's. Just for a discussion.
    Trade Union Socialist Coalition - TUSC

    Pro's - create jobs, collect tax, build houses - NO CUTS

    Cons - new party, will take some time to build up.

    http://www.tusc.org.uk/bulletin10.php
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    The Lib Dems. Their conduct over tuition fees has been shameful, but they are doing some really good things in Government on civil liberties (scrapping control orders), taxation (lifting hundreds of thousands of the poorest people out of income tax altogether), the environment (the two billion pound green investment bank, and further investment in green technologies) and constitutional reform (securing the referendum on the Alternative Vote).

    Labour's economic record is unforgivable. They say that Coalition cuts are wrong, but present no alternative. They cannot be trusted with the country anymore.

    I would not vote Conservative. Their views on Europe, LGBT rights and the welfare state are incompatible with my own.

    Some minority parties I would consider voting for, but the Lib Dems are the only real, credible party left-of-centre worth voting for.
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    I don't think there is a 'best' party per se. There may be more popular parties but popularity does not always equate to best. It's a decision you make based on your own beliefs and values. If say The Green Party matched your set of values and beliefs then to you, they'd be the best party.
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    (Original post by Wilzman)
    The Lib Dems. Their conduct over tuition fees has been shameful, but they are doing some really good things in Government on taxation (lifting hundreds of thousands of the poorest people out of income tax altogether)


    whats the point in lifting them out of the income tax threshold and then cutting the services they need, increasing VAT, increasing unemployment, increasing inflation (things cost more) and reducing economic growth. my point is you can't give a sweet to someone with one hand and take away their packet of sweets with the other.

    as for securing a referendum AV............they GAVE UP PR.......in any case they will loose the AV vote - which no one really wants - and then where will they be.

    In fairness i think its time to see the lib dems for what they are - Tories. certianly not 'left of centre'.
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    (Original post by badtothebone)
    Trade Union Socialist Coalition - TUSC

    Pro's - create jobs, collect tax, build houses - NO CUTS

    Cons - new party, will take some time to build up.

    http://www.tusc.org.uk/bulletin10.php
    Oh my god, you are one of them silly trade unionists which say there are no cuts needed? I find it so funny how someone can say no cuts are needed, its like a joke. I just cant take you serious.
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    (Original post by LawBore)
    Maybe the Lib Dems don't need to rebrand- everyone just thought they were the No Tuition Fee Party and ignored any other policies they might have had.
    Its because of the fuss the made about their 'PLEDGE' to scrap tuition fees. They made that their main policy and people actually believed them.
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    (Original post by kevR94)
    Oh my god, you are one of them silly trade unionists which say there are no cuts needed? I find it so funny how someone can say no cuts are needed, its like a joke. I just cant take you serious.
    why?

    What I cant take seriously is that a crisis 'rooted in the financial sector' as governer of the bank of England, Mervyn King, puts it - is being paid for by students, pensioners, workers, children and people on benefits whilst bankers are drawing million pound bonuses as normal. wheres the logic and morality in that? its a serious question that needs answering.

    if you want to listen to an alternative to cuts then i can explain it. but it does mean you have to listen and not call me a silly trade unionist (im not either) and treat the argument as a joke.
 
 
 
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