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    (Original post by toronto353)
    TSR UKIP has many Bills on the go, at the moment, as with the rest of us, they are not able to dedicate as much time as they would like to. One of the reasons, and I have said this before, is that, if you're an MP, it's great, but it's harder to get involved and feel like a part of that if you're not.

    However, I do applaud Labour's efforts in recycling, especially with regards to old Bills submitted several times
    Parties say that and yet we don't see them. "Bills on the go" means very little. What old bill have I submitted again? Even if I do decide to do that it is completely legitimate - the argument against it is so weak if we agree that parties have certain aims for how they think the country should be. UKIP failed in the referendum, does that mean it is illegitimate for you to ever try and have another one?
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    I won't. Student forums have plenty of people who want to think they are socialists and plenty of people who have traditionally supported the LDs but with the current situation you may not come out of this very well. Which is unfair.

    I did try to pass an amendment to change party names (link in sig) to avoid these things but it was defeated :rolleyes:
    Hmm, trouble with changing party names is that you'd lose a lot of the connection to normal people on here (i.e. they would lose interest and wouldn't vote).
    It would be interesting seeing parties elected primarily on their own merit, rather than other people's mistakes/successes IRL though.

    I might be willing to support another go at that in the future.
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    (Original post by Wilzman)
    Hmm, trouble with changing party names is that you'd lose a lot of the connection to normal people on here (i.e. they would lose interest and wouldn't vote).
    It would be interesting seeing parties elected primarily on their own merit, rather than other people's mistakes/successes IRL though.

    I might be willing to support another go at that in the future.
    Good lad. :yes:
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    A new Manifesto well due for the Labour Party tbh.
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    (Original post by Stricof)
    A new Manifesto well due for the Labour Party tbh.
    Perhaps. Although much of it has been appropriate at each election and thus needed only to be tweaked. Large scale change for large scale change sake is not particularly apt.
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Perhaps. Although much of it has been appropriate at each election and thus needed only to be tweaked. Large scale change for large scale change sake is not particularly apt.
    You should have gotten Xxx or H&C to write it.
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    (Original post by Stricof)
    You should have gotten Xxx or H&C to write it.
    Damn; I wish I had thought of that.
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    If we were to have a TSR BNP party by the next election, I wonder how many votes they would actually get.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    If we were to have a TSR BNP party by the next election, I wonder how many votes they would actually get.
    Probably more than UKIP.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    If we were to have a TSR BNP party by the next election, I wonder how many votes they would actually get.
    Quite a lot I'd think, at least I see a fair few posts from people that seem to fit in the BNP agenda... :eek:
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    (Original post by Wilzman)
    Probably more than UKIP.
    Somehow I doubt that. I would guess that UKIP will get about a dozen votes (at least) this election, whilst a BNP party would probably get half that.
    Aside from the people who vote for it because they are trolls and those who actually believe that crap, and those who do it "for the lulz" there is very little chance of them getting a large amount of votes.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Quite a lot I'd think, at least I see a fair few posts from people that seem to fit in the BNP agenda... :eek:
    I think most of that is trolling or people doing it just for a reaction or just out of boredom. I am not convinced that much of that is real, nor do I think that in a vote they would recieve more than a dozen votes.
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    (Original post by Wilzman)
    Probably more than UKIP.
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
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    If I'm an MP next term, which I'll be standing for in the Libertarians, then I too would like to get involved with a Party Names amendment.
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    (Original post by jesusandtequila)
    If I'm an MP next term, which I'll be standing for in the Libertarians, then I too would like to get involved with a Party Names amendment.
    You don't need to be an MP to suggest amendments, you just need 5 MPs to support it. I'll work on it with you as well if you need more supporters.
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    I'm still undecided on name changes. On the one hand it'd be great to work on new party identities, but I worry about the consequences on attracting new members. The parties with the most representation in real life (Labour, Tories, Lib Dems) tend to attract the most attention on here, whereas original parties with no real life connections (the Centre is a prime example) struggle a lot more to attract new membership, purely because people tend to go with what they know. If newbies don't recognise any of the party names, they may just stay away altogether. Then again it would put everyone on a level playing field.

    So many pros and cons for both sides.
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    (Original post by Student2806)
    I'm still undecided on name changes. On the one hand it'd be great to work on new party identities, but I worry about the consequences on attracting new members. The parties with the most representation in real life (Labour, Tories, Lib Dems) tend to attract the most attention on here, whereas original parties with no real life connections (the Centre is a prime example) struggle a lot more to attract new membership, purely because people tend to go with what they know. If newbies don't recognise any of the party names, they may just stay away altogether. Then again it would put everyone on a level playing field.

    So many pros and cons for both sides.

    Well if the parties are clear on what they stand for ideology wise, I can devise a small quiz for people to take which will give them an idea.
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    (Original post by Student2806)
    I'm still undecided on name changes. On the one hand it'd be great to work on new party identities, but I worry about the consequences on attracting new members. The parties with the most representation in real life (Labour, Tories, Lib Dems) tend to attract the most attention on here, whereas original parties with no real life connections (the Centre is a prime example) struggle a lot more to attract new membership, purely because people tend to go with what they know. If newbies don't recognise any of the party names, they may just stay away altogether. Then again it would put everyone on a level playing field.

    So many pros and cons for both sides.
    I'd argue that there's much more of a crowding out effect, whereby because people are used to only having those three parties, they think that they are the only ones that could be useful, and so jump into them. In addition, we see a lot of people join parties but never get involved in the MHoC, so I don't think member to member groups should be our target, it should be members to discussion, and I think that this will improve.

    I do think that is makes the election process quite pointless. People aren't judged on their manifesto, their ideas, their policies or their achievements, they're judged on how well the counterpart RL party is doing - we might as well just assign a random number of seats to each party and it could reflect it just as fairly to TSR parties - and stop elections all together.

    (Original post by toronto353)
    You don't need to be an MP to suggest amendments, you just need 5 MPs to support it. I'll work on it with you as well if you need more supporters.
    Of course, but it's already been suggested.
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    (Original post by jesusandtequila)
    If I'm an MP next term, which I'll be standing for in the Libertarians, then I too would like to get involved with a Party Names amendment.
    Good good.
 
 
 
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